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On Jun 26, 10:43*am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Nealburs Fantasy snipped

Nealbur are you ever going to stop reving your tiny little outboard
and put it into gear?

Fred


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On 2008-06-25 23:24:41 -0400, Wayne.B said:

Even with proper diesel inboard aux, most of the serious cruising
sailboats that we see are carrying 40 to 60 gallons of extra fuel on
deck. These are boats that actually go someplace of course.

OMG! That'd give Xan a conservative 1,400-2,000 mile range under power!

The idea of 3-500# of fuel up on deck, though.... I'm always surprised
that they don't just add tankage. Doubt there's a boat over about 25'
that doesn't have some out of the way place to stick another tank, and
it doesn't take much to add 40 gallons.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:31:53 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-06-25 23:24:41 -0400, Wayne.B said:

Even with proper diesel inboard aux, most of the serious cruising
sailboats that we see are carrying 40 to 60 gallons of extra fuel on
deck. These are boats that actually go someplace of course.

OMG! That'd give Xan a conservative 1,400-2,000 mile range under power!

The idea of 3-500# of fuel up on deck, though.... I'm always surprised
that they don't just add tankage. Doubt there's a boat over about 25'
that doesn't have some out of the way place to stick another tank, and
it doesn't take much to add 40 gallons.

From my experience amongst fellow cruisers, they don't simply add
tankage below due to space constraints. Also, in many ports it is
necessary to use jerry cans to ferry the diesel between the pump and
the boat. It is not as straight forward as using a dock hose in many
places in the world when there are no marinas or alongside fuel docks.
Therefore one may as well keep the jerry cans full of fuel on the
deck. I carry two 20 litre (take 24 litres each) plastic jerry cans in
the sail locker beneath my forward double berth as absolute emergency
fuel. I could of course build a tank in there but I would rather keep
it as a pure sail locker. I could of course invest in the inflatable
tankage but would rather spend the money on something else.

Also, regardless of how much tankage, most of us seem to want to carry
that little bit more to extend our range - probably just human nature.
Besides, when one is done with crossing oceans, the built in tanks
will normally be more than enough. It's amazing how much of the space
that could be utilised for extra tankage is readily filled up with
other necessary 'stuff' such as spares, tools, provisions, folding
bikes (2), sleeping bags, mountain tents, scuba gear (3 sets), roller
blades (3 pair), shioes of various types for three people, clothing
for all seasons for 3 people, school books, spare engine oil, gear box
oil, etc., etc., etc., no matter the size of the vessel.

regards
Peter

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On Jun 27, 2:15*am, Herodotus wrote:
... Also, in many ports it is
necessary to use jerry cans to ferry the diesel between the pump and
the boat. ...

That's been our experience. Many boats, particularly North American
boats, put a plank between some stanchions and tie their extra fuel
and water to it. It was so common for a while on the coconut milk run
that I had a Kiwi tell me that for years he was convinced that
American designers didn't put fuel tanks in their boats. The
advantages are that you carry extra fuel on an extended passage
through places where fuel may be unavailable or expensive or of poor
quality. And, you get the weight out on the rail for a passage that is
essentially all on one tack. Some of the disadvantages are that the
cans sit in the sun and may get contaminated by salt water and are
exposed to wave impacts that can result in loss of fuel, damage to the
stanchions or loose cans on the deck.

We keep our cans in a sail locker. We started with one 20 liter can
and one 10, but over the years have acquired enough cans so we can
fill the main tanks in one run (if you've got to borrow a truck to go
to find fuel it's nice to do it all in one go). And, it is hard to
resist the temptation to use them as extra tankage now that we have
them...

-- Tom.

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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:31:53 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-06-25 23:24:41 -0400, Wayne.B said:

Even with proper diesel inboard aux, most of the serious cruising
sailboats that we see are carrying 40 to 60 gallons of extra fuel on
deck. These are boats that actually go someplace of course.

OMG! That'd give Xan a conservative 1,400-2,000 mile range under power!

The idea of 3-500# of fuel up on deck, though.... I'm always surprised
that they don't just add tankage. Doubt there's a boat over about 25'
that doesn't have some out of the way place to stick another tank, and
it doesn't take much to add 40 gallons.


Imagine a couple of scenarios. (1) You plan a trip to Chagos islands
in the Indian ocean. Down and back, about a four thousand mile trip,
several months in the islands where absolutely nothing is available. A
little fuel in cans on the deck in addition to the inside tankage
might be advisable. Or (2) a trip from Phuket to Malaysia where diesel
is half the cost of Thailand. Maybe a few jerry cans on the deck to
bring some back?

Or the trip a mate of mine just made to India. Three weeks to Cochin
and no wind for the last week - motored for 160 hours.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:31:53 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-06-25 23:24:41 -0400, Wayne.B
said:

Even with proper diesel inboard aux, most of the serious cruising
sailboats that we see are carrying 40 to 60 gallons of extra fuel on
deck. These are boats that actually go someplace of course.

OMG! That'd give Xan a conservative 1,400-2,000 mile range under power!

The idea of 3-500# of fuel up on deck, though.... I'm always surprised
that they don't just add tankage. Doubt there's a boat over about 25'
that doesn't have some out of the way place to stick another tank, and
it doesn't take much to add 40 gallons.


Imagine a couple of scenarios. (1) You plan a trip to Chagos islands
in the Indian ocean. Down and back, about a four thousand mile trip,
several months in the islands where absolutely nothing is available. A
little fuel in cans on the deck in addition to the inside tankage
might be advisable. Or (2) a trip from Phuket to Malaysia where diesel
is half the cost of Thailand. Maybe a few jerry cans on the deck to
bring some back?

Or the trip a mate of mine just made to India. Three weeks to Cochin
and no wind for the last week - motored for 160 hours.


More like a bulk carrier than a sailboat. But, whatever floats your boat . .
..

Myself, I prefer to sail. This no wind for an entire week is a load of crap.
Won't happen in that part of the world. He obviously lied. What he didn't
want to admit was the winds were light and variable and he was too lazy and
in too much of a hurry to work them. Not to mention his boat was so heavy
loaded down with huge diesel engine and huge tanks to feed its appetite.
Easier to just motor. It takes half a gale to make any decent amount of way
with any motor sailer like that.

That's the problem with carrying a lot of tankage. You quickly turn into
just another worthless motorboat. Now, I think I understand why you failed
to make it around even one time. Your tanks just weren't large enough. Some
sailor, you!



Wilbur Hubbard

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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:32:44 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:


Imagine a couple of scenarios. (1) You plan a trip to Chagos islands
in the Indian ocean. Down and back, about a four thousand mile trip,
several months in the islands where absolutely nothing is available. A
little fuel in cans on the deck in addition to the inside tankage
might be advisable. Or (2) a trip from Phuket to Malaysia where diesel
is half the cost of Thailand. Maybe a few jerry cans on the deck to
bring some back?

Or the trip a mate of mine just made to India. Three weeks to Cochin
and no wind for the last week - motored for 160 hours.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Welcome back Bruce,

I presume that you have finished your boating chores.

So, you are one of the foreigners who bludge on our taxes which are
used to pay for subsidised cheaper diesel.

Shame on you.

Perhaps we shall have to keep a lookout at Kuah for foreign flagged
vessels and confiscate their deck load of fuel.

cheers
Peter

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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:41:41 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:31:53 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-06-25 23:24:41 -0400, Wayne.B
said:

Even with proper diesel inboard aux, most of the serious cruising
sailboats that we see are carrying 40 to 60 gallons of extra fuel on
deck. These are boats that actually go someplace of course.

OMG! That'd give Xan a conservative 1,400-2,000 mile range under power!

The idea of 3-500# of fuel up on deck, though.... I'm always surprised
that they don't just add tankage. Doubt there's a boat over about 25'
that doesn't have some out of the way place to stick another tank, and
it doesn't take much to add 40 gallons.


Imagine a couple of scenarios. (1) You plan a trip to Chagos islands
in the Indian ocean. Down and back, about a four thousand mile trip,
several months in the islands where absolutely nothing is available. A
little fuel in cans on the deck in addition to the inside tankage
might be advisable. Or (2) a trip from Phuket to Malaysia where diesel
is half the cost of Thailand. Maybe a few jerry cans on the deck to
bring some back?

Or the trip a mate of mine just made to India. Three weeks to Cochin
and no wind for the last week - motored for 160 hours.


More like a bulk carrier than a sailboat. But, whatever floats your boat . .
.

Myself, I prefer to sail. This no wind for an entire week is a load of crap.
Won't happen in that part of the world. He obviously lied. What he didn't
want to admit was the winds were light and variable and he was too lazy and
in too much of a hurry to work them. Not to mention his boat was so heavy
loaded down with huge diesel engine and huge tanks to feed its appetite.
Easier to just motor. It takes half a gale to make any decent amount of way
with any motor sailer like that.

That's the problem with carrying a lot of tankage. You quickly turn into
just another worthless motorboat. Now, I think I understand why you failed
to make it around even one time. Your tanks just weren't large enough. Some
sailor, you!


Wilbur Hubbard


For someone that doesn't sail you seem to have a lot of information
about the Indian ocean, albeit incorrect. During the change over from
the N.W. Monsoon to the S.W. Monsoon there are frequent periods of
calm.

The boat is a 55 ft. Ketch and the Perkins 6 cylinder doesn't seem to
weight it down a bit, nor the fuel.

Your problem is that you don't know anything about cruising boats. If
you have ever sailed (and I find that extremely doubtful from your
posts) it was in some sort of tiny day sailor. Had you have ever been
around an ocean going boat or made a voyage out of sight of land you'd
know better. But of course, you haven't so you sit there in your
eazyboy recliner reading your yachting magazines and dreaming you are
a sailor.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:05:26 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:32:44 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:


Imagine a couple of scenarios. (1) You plan a trip to Chagos islands
in the Indian ocean. Down and back, about a four thousand mile trip,
several months in the islands where absolutely nothing is available. A
little fuel in cans on the deck in addition to the inside tankage
might be advisable. Or (2) a trip from Phuket to Malaysia where diesel
is half the cost of Thailand. Maybe a few jerry cans on the deck to
bring some back?

Or the trip a mate of mine just made to India. Three weeks to Cochin
and no wind for the last week - motored for 160 hours.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Welcome back Bruce,

I presume that you have finished your boating chores.

So, you are one of the foreigners who bludge on our taxes which are
used to pay for subsidised cheaper diesel.

Shame on you.

Perhaps we shall have to keep a lookout at Kuah for foreign flagged
vessels and confiscate their deck load of fuel.

cheers
Peter


Peter, Peter, When in Rome do as the Romans. When I am in Malaysia I
am subjected to Malaysian taxes (and those bloody taxi drivers in
Pinang). I pay harbour dues and light fees, so why shouldn't I be
allowed to take advantage of the cheap fuel?

If Abdawi is going to be so shirty about the fuel it would be only
fair for him to absolve all foreigners from the taxes.....

I'm still in the yard. The almost daily rains have slowed work down
considerably. Today looks as though it may be the prelude to a few
days of sunlight and maybe I can get the bottom painted and get out of
here.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

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Isang tao pinangalanan, Wilbur Hubbard nagsulat:

Myself, I prefer to sail. This no wind for an entire week is a load of crap.
Won't happen in that part of the world. He obviously lied.

Even an Armchairadventurer must have heard of the doldrums?
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/vo.../01/index.html

When will you attach some floatingdevice to your armchair and
experience the real sea?
--

Who am I?

http://www.froerup.dk/claus