On Jun 26, 5:08*am, Skip Gundlach wrote:

Did you looka at a chart. Somtimes charts have that info

Well, actually, we did......*and, finally, the Cap'n, did I find,
drilling down to a 0.5mile view in the Cap'n, that it was soft shale.


You did not mention the Coast Pilot. Not sure which # yould use on the
east side of the states but I find the CP No. 7 a treasure trove of
nautical help. Get a couple and read it before you get underway.
NOw for the chart issue. I think you have just stumbled into one of
the problmes with "maps" paper or elctronic and why crusiing guides
have that "not intended for mavigation" disclaimer. A person needs
LOCAL/SMALL scale chart to get the bottom type symbols. Larger scale
charts wont have bottom type symbols.

But a person may ot even need the more detailed "local" charts if
thier able to read the surounding land.After spending some time under
water in llitoral areas it amazing how shore type reflests bottom
type.

We usually rely on the charts' little notes for bottom stuff - but
until I did it a couple of days ago, at leisure, I couldn't find it.
No biggie, in any event, as we hove to...



Im not a very good reader and may have missed that point in you
description.

Nope, you didn't miss anything, other than, perhaps, that before
heaving to, we made sure to get to deep water and out of the potential
way of any hard objects - and by the way, also very far off the beaten
track as to traffic of any sort, let alone shipping.

I am a tree hugging liberal member of the Democratic Party. The
president of the United States is an imbarrasment. Given that I am a
consevitive.


ColReg Rule 5: Lookout
It is there for a reason.

Aside from the oceans boat traveling Ive in the last two years ive
flown to Hawaii 4-5 times. Each time I have seen traffic: tugs,
sailboats, cargo, aircraft carrier....


My current read is "cruising in seraffyn" and whaddya know? *On Page
35, off the coast of Isla Guadaloupe, it reads:

I don't know about you, but I rely on the good sense of people like
Lin and Larry,


I too have read their stuff and have on one occasion met Mr. Purdy. I
find him to be an arrogant ass, sexist pig, and very experienced
mariner. I am amazed his personality has not got him into trouble yet.
But maybe he doesnt make it into his books or talking points

My Dear Skip,

Reading your post I find that:

1) you were not able to use charts or other means availible to
determine bottom type.
2) have violated a basic fundamental rule of vessel operation, failure
to maintain a PROPER LOOKOUT. this point is even more egregious
because adequate crew was available to act as Lookout.

Please remember that you have a large boat with lots of life on board.
I urge you to take that responsibility more seriously.

After reviewing this post again two words come to mind: cavalier and
lackadaisical.

Cordially and in friendhip,
Bob

On Jun 22, 8:09*pm, Dave wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:13:57 -0700 (PDT), Bob said:

If you dont like what i write dont
read it... For god sakes get a life.

I wasn't commenting on what you write about. I was commenting on your manner
of expressing yourself.

Like Nealbur Bob is bitter and it shows clearly everytime he speaks.

Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated.

Fred

On Jun 26, 8:19*am, wrote:
On Jun 22, 8:09*pm, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:13:57 -0700 (PDT), Bob said:

If you dont like what i write dont
read it... For god sakes get a life.

I wasn't commenting on what you write about. I was commenting on your manner
of expressing yourself.

Like Nealbur Bob is bitter and it shows clearly everytime he speaks.

Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated.

Fred


Dear Fred:

I repeat:
If you dont like what i write dont
read it... For god sakes get a life.
Bob

On Jun 26, 10:54*am, Bob wrote:
On Jun 26, 5:08*am, Skip Gundlach wrote:

Did you looka at a chart. Somtimes charts have that info
Well, actually, we did......*and, finally, the Cap'n, did I find,
drilling down to a 0.5mile view in the Cap'n, that it was soft shale.

You did not mention the Coast Pilot. Not sure which # yould use on the
east side of the states but I find the CP No. 7 a treasure trove of
nautical help. Get a couple and read it before you get underway.
NOw for the chart issue. I think you have just stumbled into one of
the problmes with "maps" paper or elctronic and why crusiing guides
have that "not intended for mavigation" disclaimer. A person needs
LOCAL/SMALL scale chart to get the bottom type symbols. Larger scale
charts wont have bottom type symbols.

But a person may ot even need the more detailed "local" charts if
thier able to read the surounding land.After spending some time under
water in llitoral areas it amazing how shore type reflests bottom
type.

We usually rely on the charts' little notes for bottom stuff - but
until I did it a couple of days ago, at leisure, I couldn't find it.
No biggie, in any event, as we hove to...
Im not a very good reader and may have missed that point in you
description.

Nope, you didn't miss anything, other than, perhaps, that before
heaving to, we made sure to get to deep water and out of the potential
way of any hard objects - and by the way, also very far off the beaten
track as to traffic of any sort, let alone shipping.

I am a tree hugging liberal member of the Democratic Party. The
president of the United States is an imbarrasment. Given that I am a
consevitive.

ColReg Rule 5: Lookout
It is there for a reason.

Aside from the oceans boat traveling Ive in the last two years ive
flown to Hawaii 4-5 times. Each time I have seen traffic: tugs,
sailboats, cargo, aircraft carrier....

My current read is "cruising in seraffyn" and whaddya know? *On Page
35, off the coast of Isla Guadaloupe, it reads:
I don't know about you, but I rely on the good sense of people like
Lin and Larry,

I too have read their stuff and have on one occasion met Mr. Purdy. I
find him to be an arrogant ass, sexist pig, and very experienced
mariner. I am amazed his personality has not got him into trouble yet.
But maybe he doesnt make it into his books or talking points

My Dear Skip,

Reading your post I find that:

1) you were not able to use charts or other means availible to
determine bottom type.
2) have violated a basic fundamental rule of vessel operation, failure
to maintain a PROPER LOOKOUT. this point is even more egregious
because adequate crew was available to act as Lookout.

Please remember that you have a large boat with lots of life on board.
I urge you to take that *responsibility more seriously.

After reviewing this post again two words come to mind: cavalier and
lackadaisical.

Cordially and in friendhip,
Bob

Well it least Bob got one thing right, you do need a lookout as your
boat was underway Skip. How you could sleep is beyond me.

Fred

"Bob" wrote in message
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Dear Fred:

I repeat:
If you dont like what i write dont
read it... For god sakes get a life.
Bob

Don't blame "Fred." He's bitter because he a Texan now forced to live in
Connecticut. Seems that when he prematurely abandoned his boat in the Gulf
she foundered and was sunk. Her whereabouts forever unknown. By not she's a
rusty red cloud as portended by one with foresight - Barnacle Bill the
sailor.

But, the good news is McDonald's recognized the poor man's plight and
offered him a job in management instead of what he used to do, slaving over
the deep fryer at minimum wage. He's training to be in charge of the coffee
makers. He's got experience in that field. Turns out his erstwhile vessel is
still making coffee as we speak. It's slowly leaching out of the rusting
hulk of a hull in a couple of thousand feet of water.

So unfortunate by virtue of the fact that it was totally avoidable given
informed, stern and manly seamanship in lieu of "cut and run". (Strange how
an individual's firm rejection of cut and run in Iraq did not seem to extend
to his personal life.) I shall miss the posts and pictures about sailing
from a young fellow who seemed to have some potential to be a blue water
sailor but failed to live up to that potential. It brings a tear to my eye.
I don't often misjudge folks' abilities to succeed at sea.

Wilbur Hubbard

wrote in message
...


Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated.



Does that mean you hate the Gulf of Mexico?

--
Gregory Hall

On Jun 26, 11:52*am, Dave wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:19:41 -0700 (PDT), said:

Like Nealbur Bob is bitter and it shows clearly everytime he speaks.

Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated.

LOL. Well spoke.

In that light his posts become almost as entertaining to read as Neal's.
Same pathology, different symptoms.

Wilbur has such a low self esteem he is intimidated by anyone who
leaves the dock or mooring. He hates that other do, while he sits
around too afraid to toss off the mooring line, even if his is only
tied to the bed pan at the old folks home.

Fred

On Jun 26, 11:57*am, "Gregory Hall" wrote:
wrote in message

...



Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated.

Does that mean you hate the Gulf of Mexico?

--
Gregory Hall

Nealbur why would I hate the Gulf of Mexico?

If you still think I'm Joe thats OK, he has 100Xs the guts you have.
I'm sure he has a new boat, and still moving forward with his plans.
Unlike you a coward afraid to venture anywhere Joe will re-group and
succeed. You will stay here telling everyone how cautious and trifty
you are. But we all know the coward calls himself cautious, the miser
thrifty.

Fred

wrote in message
...

Nealbur why would I hate the Gulf of Mexico?

If you still think I'm Joe thats OK, he has 100Xs the guts you have.
I'm sure he has a new boat, and still moving forward with his plans.
Unlike you a coward afraid to venture anywhere Joe will re-group and
succeed. You will stay here telling everyone how cautious and trifty
you are. But we all know the coward calls himself cautious, the miser
thrifty.


Bitty Bill the sailor seems to think you're the captain of the erstwhile
"Red Cloud" and it became apparent to me a long time ago that Bitty was
highly intelligent. Therefore, I'm taking his word for it. I could be wrong
but I don't think so, seeings how you respond with speed and upset at every
post that mentions the rusty, red, deepsea, coffee maker.

--
Gregory Hall

On Jun 26, 12:23*pm, "Gregory Hall" wrote:
wrote in message

...

Nealbur why would I hate the Gulf of Mexico?

If you still think I'm Joe thats OK, he has 100Xs the guts you have.
I'm sure he has a new boat, and still moving forward with his plans.
Unlike you a coward afraid to venture anywhere Joe will re-group and
succeed. You will stay here telling everyone how cautious and trifty
you are. But we all know the coward calls himself cautious, the miser
thrifty.

Bitty Bill the sailor seems to think you're the captain of the erstwhile
"Red Cloud" and it became apparent to me a long time ago that Bitty was
highly intelligent. Therefore, I'm taking his word for it. I could be wrong
but I don't think so, seeings how you respond with speed and upset at every
post that mentions the rusty, red, deepsea, coffee maker.

--
Gregory Hall

Nealbur,

Ol Joe must have intimidated you as much as Ellen MacArthur.

Remember your many quotes about Ellen?

Like this one
"She's got no real sailing talent." "Butch Dyke" and on and on for
years?

Again both must have intimidated you big time.

Ha hah hahahahahahaha..U R Pathetic!

Poor Neal, you should try sailing, it might build your self esteem and
respect for thoses who do.

Fred