jeff wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote:
jeff wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote:
jeff wrote:


Think about what you're saying. Cheney, who was selected by Bush as
his running mate, so badly wanted to be *vice-president* that he
surreptitiously promised to sacrifice the well being of the country
so these companies could make billions and billions of dollars in
profits.

No. He did it out of habit. It's the system he knows, the people he
trusts. It just turns out that his friends, relatives, associates
etc. are the ones who make money.

So anyone with a habit of taking such huge risk

What risk? I'd bet that Cheney could reveal the identity of a secret
agent just for political purposes and get away with it!

So you think massive corruption worth billions isn't much of a risk. I see.

to do so much for the people he loves

Omigod! You're pouring it so thick!

No, this is your theory. You're saying he's doing it for his friends. He
must love them or really really like them, or what? Why is he doing this
then if it's not love?

Seriously, with rhetoric like this you're pretty much admitting you're
full of ****!

but not for himself is generally considered a wonderful wonderful
person, right? I mean the story is normally how evil of a person it
takes to do what he does. Do these pieces really seem to fit?

Perfectly! Your nonsense is a perfect example of "repeat the bull****
often enough and enough of the naive voters may buy it." How many of
the voters thought the last election was really about gay marriage?

Don't you get what I'm saying? Now you seem to be suggesting Cheney
doesn't love his "chums" that he is acquiring billions for. Why is he
doing it then????? He's just some freak of nature who has a habit of
trying to steal billions of dollars for someone else?

Does that really make sense to you?

Absolutely. In fact, the only question is that its worked so well
(after a fashion) for thousands of years, is it worth changing? The
"moderate-liberal" position is that its the only game in town, but
that a portion can be siphoned off for the social welfare.

The thing that most people don't see clearly is that the country is
controlled by a fairly small group, 2-5% of country. Nothing is
going to change that, it has gone on for thousands of years.

So what you are saying is that democracy is a farce.

Not at all, but it isn't Utopia or Walden. The rich and powerful still
run the show, democracy simply puts limits on certain aspects, shapes
how the game is played.

It hasn't really
gotten average citizens of democratic countries any more rights,
priviliges, or benefits than any form of government that has come
before it, or more than any other country currently on earth.

Ah, so now you're claiming the rich and powerful deserve anything they
can grab because some of the people have more rights.

No, *you* are the one who said things are the same as they've been for
thousands of years before democracy existed.

The children of the wealthy get their "youthful excesses" expunged,
while the same violation means 15 years for others. One could go on all
day on this theme, but only a fool believes the rich and poor are really
equal under the law.

Well, the average rich individual supports many many times more of the
governments expenses than the average poor person. You know that, right?
They even pay a larger percentage of their income. Did you know that?
They do have ways of making it less, but it's still way way more than
the poor guy. Like, say, a million dollars compared to five thousand.

It's very easy to see this as unfair, especially if the rich person
worked hard for his money. He isn't using any more of the government
than the poor person. Why is he having to pay so much more? Why do you
resent him being able to decrease it?

Democracy is just a farce meant to hold the ordinary person down as
has happened for millennia.

Have I got that right?

Yes, that is the label the right wingnuts like to pin on anyone that
protests against their crimes.

So, okay, you think democracy has helped the average person, but not
much. They're still getting screwed. Or, what are you saying?

Stephen