On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:44:21 -0700, "Whizbang McGurk"
wrote:


What are you going to use the gun for?

Recreation?
12 ga shotgun
Hunting?
12 ga shotgun
Utility?
12 ga shotgun
Killing people?
12 ga shotgun.

Any questions?

Casady

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:44:21 -0700, "Whizbang McGurk"
wrote:


What are you going to use the gun for?

Recreation?
12 ga shotgun
Hunting?
12 ga shotgun
Utility?
12 ga shotgun
Killing people?
12 ga shotgun.

Any questions?

Casady

12 ga shotgun is very limited in range and due to the shell size, limited in
firepower and very limited in accuracy.

The 12 ga finds limited use.

On Thu, 29 May 2008 17:38:01 -0600, "Whizbang McGurk"
wrote:


"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:44:21 -0700, "Whizbang McGurk"
wrote:


What are you going to use the gun for?

Recreation?
12 ga shotgun
Hunting?
12 ga shotgun
Utility?
12 ga shotgun
Killing people?
12 ga shotgun.

Any questions?

Casady

12 ga shotgun is very limited in range and due to the shell size, limited in
firepower and very limited in accuracy.

The 12 ga finds limited use.

I have a shotgun suitable for skeet, birds from quail to geese, deer,
and people.

They put one in every cop car instead of an automatic weapon, because
they lack sufficient firepower? In Iowa shotguns are required for
deer, and special slug barrels will group four inches at 100 yards.The
most popular deer rifle will most often do little better.I don't call
that seriously limited in accuracy. Anything over that range with a
rifle calls for a nice steady support for the rifle, something
unavailable at .sea. As for. firepower, nothing is deadlier at close
range, and 8 shots is generally enough. If you think you can hit
anything at even 100 yards with a rifle from a moving boat, you are
probably deluded. A shotgun is powerful enough for lion at close
range. Is that what you mean by lacking in firepower. One expert can
put a pound of lead in the air in less than two seconds with a pump
gun. He can shuck it faster than most autos cycle. The guy can break 8
clay targets hand thrown together, in less a second. Satterwhite is
his name.
The job calls for a fifty cal mg, actually. Hose the outboard on the
pirate boat instead of just killing them all. Let those surviving the
gunfire paddle two hundred miles to shore. Their boat is probably
unsinkable although you might set it on fire. Be nice to make them
swim a hundred miles or more. Toss them a gallon jug of water so they
can fight over it. Then leave. If you call the cops maybe they will
just do time.

Casady

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/DianaYang.shtml

On May 29, 9:47 pm, "Whizbang McGurk" wrote:
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/DianaYang.shtml

stick with the RV and jet ski..idiot

On Thu, 29 May 2008 19:47:54 -0600, "Whizbang McGurk"
wrote:

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/DianaYang.shtml

Those are the ranges in every book and magazine and most gunshop gab.
This stuff is no secret. There are tens of millions of shotguns
around.

I figured 60 yards for geese which are a big target. It is much less
for quail. They are are small, requiring a dense pattern. Answer is
many smaller shot bearing in mind that the smaller shot start out with
less energy and lose it faster. I figure thirty yards for quail. Note
that you use full choke for geese and something with a wider pattern
for quail. I am a 25 yard shooter myself. In the case of pheasants, I
spot them in a roadside ditch, sneak up to within five yards, and blow
their heads to rags. Easy shot, like nailing a copter that took off
one second beford. Let then get high enough for a nasty fall, Almost a
motionless target. Same with the birds. The head and neck present a
four inch target, same as skeet. Not that hard. I hunt in Iowa, by the
way. People come from distant places to hunt the pheasants.
If you have one of the special rifled slug barrels they recently
invented, you can get 4 inch groups at 100 yards. Shotguns for deer
are required in some places, including Iowa.

Casady

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 19:47:54 -0600, "Whizbang McGurk"
wrote:

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/DianaYang.shtml

Those are the ranges in every book and magazine and most gunshop gab.
This stuff is no secret. There are tens of millions of shotguns
around.

I figured 60 yards for geese which are a big target. It is much less
for quail. They are are small, requiring a dense pattern. Answer is
many smaller shot bearing in mind that the smaller shot start out with
less energy and lose it faster. I figure thirty yards for quail. Note
that you use full choke for geese and something with a wider pattern
for quail. I am a 25 yard shooter myself. In the case of pheasants, I
spot them in a roadside ditch, sneak up to within five yards, and blow
their heads to rags. Easy shot, like nailing a copter that took off
one second beford. Let then get high enough for a nasty fall, Almost a
motionless target. Same with the birds. The head and neck present a
four inch target, same as skeet. Not that hard. I hunt in Iowa, by the
way. People come from distant places to hunt the pheasants.
If you have one of the special rifled slug barrels they recently
invented, you can get 4 inch groups at 100 yards. Shotguns for deer
are required in some places, including Iowa.

Casady

I guess if someone wants to go deer hunting on their boat the shotgun is a
fine choice. Suppose some marauders come at you underway and they have an
AK-47 (7.62 x 39). Do you think a shotgun will hold them off? They could
shot at you all day from 200 yds and you can't do a thing. The AK-47 is the
preferred choice of pirates. A large capacity pistol is better in close
quarters than a shotgun, that's why police use them as primary weapons. For
longer ranges I prefer an autoloading .338 which I shot offhand remarkably
well. I shoot grouse and ptarmigan with an RWS air rifle. One shot through
the head does the trick.

On Fri, 30 May 2008 14:27:56 -0600, "JaxAshby"
wrote:

For
longer ranges I prefer an autoloading .338 which I shot offhand remarkably
well. I shoot grouse and ptarmigan with an RWS air rifle. One shot through
the head does the trick.

Try standing in the back of a moving truck, off road, and see what you
hit at longer ranges. What kind of boat do you plan to shoot pirates
from, a cruise ship, a boxboat, or what. A former member of the Army
team at Camp Perry, went to Africa, killed 92 head of big game with 93
shots, and took a rest every single time. This was one of the best
offhand shots ever. If you are good offhand past a hundred yards you
are certainly better than average. On opening day of deer season, you
pick a good ambush spot and wait. The big city hunters will keep the
deer moving, and you take your twenty five yard shot. Being a good
shot offhand is fine, but you can usually find a steadier position.
Askins did in Africa: 93shots for 92kills! Really knowing to shoot is
better than not, but if you really know how to hunt, you can usually
avoid difficult shooting. The best hunters prefer close and
motionless. With a rest. The expert shooters mostly feel that way,
just like the average shots Always use loaded dice and marked cards..

Casady

On Fri, 30 May 2008 14:27:56 -0600, "JaxAshby"
wrote:

For
longer ranges I prefer an autoloading .338 which I shot offhand remarkably
well. I shoot grouse and ptarmigan with an RWS air rifle. One shot through
the head does the trick.

The Browning, I presume. Always wanted a .338 BAR. Just the gun for
moose and large bears. Fine for deer and elk. Nothing but deer and
small game in Iowa, and the law mandates shotguns for deer. No use
locally for a big game rifle. Well, there is plinking to stay in
practice for the out of state safaris.

Casady

On Fri, 30 May 2008 14:27:56 -0600, "JaxAshby"
wrote:

They could shoot at you all day from 200 yds and you can't do a thing. The AK-47 is the
preferred choice of pirates.

At that range, they can shoot at you all day and not get a hit. The
AK has the worst accuracy in its class, by the way.

Casady