Roger, I sure hope this isn't one of yours.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6136917
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6137209

Steve

"Steve" wrote in message
...

Roger, I sure hope this isn't one of yours.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6136917
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6137209

Steve

When it comes to designing boats I don't think Roger skimps and takes
shortcuts. I also don't think Roger is a self promoter. Roger listens to
others idea intently, is open to criticism and is comfortable discussing his
work. His love of his work and decades of experience speak strongly to the
quality of his work. To even think that he designed a vessel that would
break up after six weeks is an insult. Shame on you!

On Tue, 13 May 2008 07:02:12 -0700, "Brigham Olde"
wrote:


"Steve" wrote in message
.. .

Roger, I sure hope this isn't one of yours.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6136917
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6137209

Steve

When it comes to designing boats I don't think Roger skimps and takes
shortcuts. I also don't think Roger is a self promoter. Roger listens to
others idea intently, is open to criticism and is comfortable discussing his
work. His love of his work and decades of experience speak strongly to the
quality of his work. To even think that he designed a vessel that would
break up after six weeks is an insult. Shame on you!

Ah, what a hilarious dose of self-rightous indignation. Well, I hope
Roger took it in the spirit it was intended. I knew it wasn't one of
his boats.

It is an interesting one nonetheless. And I still think they should
have pulled up stakes and came into shelter for that storm. They were
only 14 miles out and had days of warning.

Steve

Steve wrote:
Roger, I sure hope this isn't one of yours.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6136917
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6137209

Steve

Two crewmen, one lost. Below is a link and a story, seems there is some
fuzzy logic going on in the reporting.

http://www.nbc10.com/news/16258173/detail.html

and

Coast Guard investigating fatal vessel incident

RANDALL CHASE

The Associated Press

DOVER, Del. - A liftboat that foundered off the Delaware coast in heavy
seas, leaving one of two crewmen dead, was exempt from regulations for
that type of vessel because it was being used for research purposes,
Coast Guard officials said Tuesday as they began an investigation.

Bluewater Wind LLC, which is trying to win state approval to build an
offshore wind farm that would supply electricity to Delmarva Power, was
using the Russell W. Peterson to study migratory bird routes in the
Atlantic Ocean off Rehoboth Beach.

Had the research vessel been subject to same requirements governing
other liftboats, it likely would have had at least three crew members
aboard, instead of only two, when it was crippled by high winds and
heavy seas early Monday, 14 miles off Rehoboth Beach.

The names of the dead man and the surviving crew member were still being
withheld Tuesday.

Petty Officer Christopher McLaughlin, a spokesman for the Coast Guard in
Atlantic City, N.J., said that when the captain of the vessel radioed
for help, he reported that he couldn't leave the helm to check on the
other crewman.

"He couldn't leave the helm because he was still trying to steer it,"
McLaughlin said.

Coast Guard regulations require liftboats of the Peterson's size
operating in open waters to have at least three crew members. But in
being put to use as a research vessel earlier this year, the Russell W.
Peterson was no longer subject to liftboat regulations.

"They were properly manned," said Coast Guard investigator Michael
Kaszuba. "If it was considered a liftboat ... it definitely needs a
master and two deckhands."

Liftboats are self-propelled vessels with open decks and barge-shaped
hulls that are equipped with metal legs that can be lowered to the
seabed, raising the hull above the water to serve as stable work
platform. They often are used to perform maintenance on oil and gas well
rigs.

Before being acquired by Aqua Survey of Flemington, N.J., which brought
the vessel to Delaware and rechristened it in March, the Russell
Peterson was used as a liftboat servicing oil platforms in the Gulf of
Mexico.

In addition to manpower requirements, liftboats are subject to certain
maintenance regulations, including inspection of their legs at
designated intervals. Details on any such inspections of the Russell W.
Peterson were not immediately available.

"We're all just trying to deal with the loss of a colleague right now,"
said Aqua Survey president Ken Hayes, who refused to answer questions
about the vessel's history or operations.

Kaszuba said he had not had a chance to interview the surviving crewman,
but that investigators believe the vessel was elevated above the water
when one its three legs, or spuds, buckled.

"We believe that the vessel was on its spuds, and that it experienced
some severe weather and one of the spuds may have given way," he said,
noting that the starboard leg may have buckled.

Conditions at the time included seas of 8 to 10 feet, with occasional
swells of 12 to 14 feet, and winds between 30 and 40 knots.

Coast Guard officials said any weather-related restrictions on
operations would be up to a vessel's owner.

According to a 2003 Coast Guard subcommittee report on liftboat
operations, casualties involving elevated liftboats often are associated
with "punch-through," when a single leg suddenly penetrates into the
seabed faster than the crew can compensate by jacking the legs up or
down, thus putting stress on the vessel structure.

Kaszuba could not immediately confirm that the legs of the Russell W.
Peterson, which was built in Louisiana in 1980, had been shortened from
105 feet to 70 feet before it was brought up from the Gulf of Mexico.

"If there were any modifications, we're getting all the records that the
owners have," he said.

According to Coast Guard records, the vessel was subject to two
enforcement warnings in July 2007 after a non-casualty investigation in
Morgan City, La. Kaszuba declined to disclose details of the warnings
without a Freedom of Information Act request.

While the Peterson was no longer considered a liftboat or offshore
supply vessel, officials noted that Aqua Survey also did not request
that it be designated a research vessel, a category that carries its own
regulatory requirements.

"The regulatory regime is a little more relaxed," explained Coast Guard
Commander Kyle McAvoy.

The result was that the Peterson was declared an uninspected commercial
vessel, subject to even less stringent regulations.

Aqua Survey is working with state and local agencies to salvage the
vessel, which ran aground near Bethany Beach.

hpeer wrote in news:482a4639$0$4563
:

The names of the dead man and the surviving crew member were still being
withheld Tuesday.



Here in the South, we usually just step right up to surviving crew members
and ask 'em their names, much to the Coast Guard's dismay.....

On Tue, 13 May 2008 22:19:32 -0400, hpeer wrote:

Steve wrote:
Roger, I sure hope this isn't one of yours.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6136917
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6137209

Steve

Two crewmen, one lost. Below is a link and a story, seems there is some
fuzzy logic going on in the reporting.

http://www.nbc10.com/news/16258173/detail.html

When I heard the story on the news (NBC 10, a local news station) they
said one of the crew was lost. But I didn't want to say anything
until I found confirmation and the articles on the web on the 12th
didn't say anything about the lost crewman. On the 12th, the web
articles were saying 2 rescued even as the TV news station was
reporting one lost.

This article:
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/p...NTPAGECAROUSEL
says that 2 crewman were taken to the hospital where one was
pronounced dead. So I can see where the fuzzy reporting could have
been going on during the early hours. That link also shows Coast
Guard video

I definetly would not want to be on that thing in those conditions.

But I would also be very interested in knowing what caused the death
of the crewman. The boat, left adrift, washed up on shore all on it's
own.

Steve

Steve wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2008 22:19:32 -0400, hpeer wrote:

Steve wrote:
Roger, I sure hope this isn't one of yours.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6136917
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6137209

Steve
Two crewmen, one lost. Below is a link and a story, seems there is some
fuzzy logic going on in the reporting.

http://www.nbc10.com/news/16258173/detail.html

When I heard the story on the news (NBC 10, a local news station) they
said one of the crew was lost. But I didn't want to say anything
until I found confirmation and the articles on the web on the 12th
didn't say anything about the lost crewman. On the 12th, the web
articles were saying 2 rescued even as the TV news station was
reporting one lost.

This article:
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/p...NTPAGECAROUSEL
says that 2 crewman were taken to the hospital where one was
pronounced dead. So I can see where the fuzzy reporting could have
been going on during the early hours. That link also shows Coast
Guard video

I definetly would not want to be on that thing in those conditions.

But I would also be very interested in knowing what caused the death
of the crewman. The boat, left adrift, washed up on shore all on it's
own.

Steve

Can't tell for sure but the video seems to show two men on deck.

On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:59:21 -0400, hpeer wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2008 22:19:32 -0400, hpeer wrote:

Steve wrote:
Roger, I sure hope this isn't one of yours.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6136917
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6137209

Steve
Two crewmen, one lost. Below is a link and a story, seems there is some
fuzzy logic going on in the reporting.

http://www.nbc10.com/news/16258173/detail.html

When I heard the story on the news (NBC 10, a local news station) they
said one of the crew was lost. But I didn't want to say anything
until I found confirmation and the articles on the web on the 12th
didn't say anything about the lost crewman. On the 12th, the web
articles were saying 2 rescued even as the TV news station was
reporting one lost.

This article:
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/p...NTPAGECAROUSEL
says that 2 crewman were taken to the hospital where one was
pronounced dead. So I can see where the fuzzy reporting could have
been going on during the early hours. That link also shows Coast
Guard video

I definetly would not want to be on that thing in those conditions.

But I would also be very interested in knowing what caused the death
of the crewman. The boat, left adrift, washed up on shore all on it's
own.

Steve

Can't tell for sure but the video seems to show two men on deck.

Looked that way to me as well. Although you don't know if one if them
could be a coastie that went aboard. The whole thing seems really
fishy to me. I'd be interested to hear what *really* happened out
there once everything is put together.

Steve

Steve wrote:
On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:59:21 -0400, hpeer wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2008 22:19:32 -0400, hpeer wrote:

Steve wrote:
Roger, I sure hope this isn't one of yours.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6136917
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6137209

Steve
Two crewmen, one lost. Below is a link and a story, seems there is some
fuzzy logic going on in the reporting.

http://www.nbc10.com/news/16258173/detail.html
When I heard the story on the news (NBC 10, a local news station) they
said one of the crew was lost. But I didn't want to say anything
until I found confirmation and the articles on the web on the 12th
didn't say anything about the lost crewman. On the 12th, the web
articles were saying 2 rescued even as the TV news station was
reporting one lost.

This article:
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/p...NTPAGECAROUSEL
says that 2 crewman were taken to the hospital where one was
pronounced dead. So I can see where the fuzzy reporting could have
been going on during the early hours. That link also shows Coast
Guard video

I definetly would not want to be on that thing in those conditions.

But I would also be very interested in knowing what caused the death
of the crewman. The boat, left adrift, washed up on shore all on it's
own.

Steve
Can't tell for sure but the video seems to show two men on deck.

Looked that way to me as well. Although you don't know if one if them
could be a coastie that went aboard. The whole thing seems really
fishy to me. I'd be interested to hear what *really* happened out
there once everything is put together.

Steve

Agreed.

Now we can finally detemine what happened. God doesn't like wind
power.

A small plane carrying people doing an environmental survey in
preparation for a wind farm crashed this weekend in around the same
area.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local...dentified.html

Steve