Vic Smith wrote in
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 01:29:11 +0000, Larry wrote:

Vic Smith wrote in
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AFAIK it's a better Navy today. Smarter.

We were just prisoners....volunteer prisoners avoiding the Vietnam Army
draft.

I enlisted in the Navy when I was 16, about a month before JFK was
shot. Everything was done but the oath taking.
Took the oath and was in boot camp all in one day a couple months
later, the day after my 17th birthday.
My ma wouldn't let me go on my birthday.
Viet Nam and the draft had nothing to do with it.
I never had a draft card.
If Viet Nam had been hot when I turned 17 I probably would have joined
the Marines to fight commies.
A couple years into my Navy time there was a call for Swift boat crew
for Viet Nam and I volunteered.
They didn't want boilermen on Swift boats, so I never scored that
hazardous duty pay.
Like I said, smarter Navy today. Mostly due to better education,
better training, and fewer 17 year-olds.
And not a one of them is dodging the draft.

--Vic


Do you still think Vietnam was about defending America, even after all
the exposed lies like Gulf of Tonkin, McNamara's bankers and defense
contractor friends, political payoffs, dirty tricks, etc.?

Duty - Honor - Country had nothing to do with it. America was never
attacked by a single Vietnamese until Americans entered the whorehouses
in Saigon. Vietnam was about SUSTAINED WAR so the Bankers of the Federal
Reserve Private Bank could loan out billions of dollars at awful interest
to the Federal Government to burn with defense contractors....EXACTLY
what Dwight Eisenhower warned us about as he left the White House....

......as is all the wars the Bush-BinLaden family billionaires are running
today....

Money and Murder and Israel ....plain and simple.

On Thu, 15 May 2008 04:12:39 +0000, Larry wrote:

Do you still think Vietnam was about defending America, even after all
the exposed lies like Gulf of Tonkin, McNamara's bankers and defense
contractor friends, political payoffs, dirty tricks, etc.?

Too far off track for here, Larry. E-mail if you really want my
response.

--Vic

Larry wrote:
Vic Smith wrote in
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 01:29:11 +0000, Larry wrote:

Vic Smith wrote in
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AFAIK it's a better Navy today. Smarter.
We were just prisoners....volunteer prisoners avoiding the Vietnam Army
draft.
I enlisted in the Navy when I was 16, about a month before JFK was
shot. Everything was done but the oath taking.
Took the oath and was in boot camp all in one day a couple months
later, the day after my 17th birthday.
My ma wouldn't let me go on my birthday.
Viet Nam and the draft had nothing to do with it.
I never had a draft card.
If Viet Nam had been hot when I turned 17 I probably would have joined
the Marines to fight commies.
A couple years into my Navy time there was a call for Swift boat crew
for Viet Nam and I volunteered.
They didn't want boilermen on Swift boats, so I never scored that
hazardous duty pay.
Like I said, smarter Navy today. Mostly due to better education,
better training, and fewer 17 year-olds.
And not a one of them is dodging the draft.

--Vic


Do you still think Vietnam was about defending America, even after all
the exposed lies like Gulf of Tonkin, McNamara's bankers and defense
contractor friends, political payoffs, dirty tricks, etc.?

Duty - Honor - Country had nothing to do with it. America was never
attacked by a single Vietnamese until Americans entered the whorehouses
in Saigon. Vietnam was about SUSTAINED WAR so the Bankers of the Federal
Reserve Private Bank could loan out billions of dollars at awful interest
to the Federal Government to burn with defense contractors....EXACTLY
what Dwight Eisenhower warned us about as he left the White House....

.....as is all the wars the Bush-BinLaden family billionaires are running
today....

Money and Murder and Israel ....plain and simple.


Paranoia is one of the first steps of several brain disorders
including Alshiemers.
I know this was misspelled, but right click on the word and see what
the spell checker brings up!
G

I was at Treasure Island, in electronics "A" school when JFK got it.
Joined to get away from what I knew.


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 01:29:11 +0000, Larry wrote:

Vic Smith wrote in
m:

AFAIK it's a better Navy today. Smarter.

We were just prisoners....volunteer prisoners avoiding the Vietnam Army
draft.

I enlisted in the Navy when I was 16, about a month before JFK was
shot. Everything was done but the oath taking.
Took the oath and was in boot camp all in one day a couple months
later, the day after my 17th birthday.
My ma wouldn't let me go on my birthday.
Viet Nam and the draft had nothing to do with it.
I never had a draft card.
If Viet Nam had been hot when I turned 17 I probably would have joined
the Marines to fight commies.
A couple years into my Navy time there was a call for Swift boat crew
for Viet Nam and I volunteered.
They didn't want boilermen on Swift boats, so I never scored that
hazardous duty pay.
Like I said, smarter Navy today. Mostly due to better education,
better training, and fewer 17 year-olds.
And not a one of them is dodging the draft.

--Vic

We were just prisoners....volunteer prisoners avoiding the Vietnam Army
draft.

That's one "exit strategy," I guess.

Vic Smith wrote in
I enlisted in the Navy when I was 16, about a month before JFK was
shot. Everything was done but the oath taking.
Took the oath and was in boot camp all in one day a couple months
later, the day after my 17th birthday.
My ma wouldn't let me go on my birthday.
Viet Nam and the draft had nothing to do with it.
I never had a draft card.

Well, you guys are older than me... it's a different world now. I
joined up in 1979 during the Carter Recession, when the employment
section of a major metropolitan newspaper was less than 2 columns.
There were not "Help Wanted" signs on every fast-food joint & gas
station. If there were, I would not have enlisted. As it was, I took
the Navy over the Air Force because they could take me in sooner.


If Viet Nam had been hot when I turned 17 I probably would have joined
the Marines to fight commies.

My cousin, a few years older than me, elected to join the Marines when
his draft number came up.

MIA

I still have a copper bracelet with his name, rank, & service #; but
nowadays I only wear it to family occasions where people know what
it's for.


Like I said, smarter Navy today. Mostly due to better education,
better training, and fewer 17 year-olds.
And not a one of them is dodging the draft.


Agreed. And the military has learned different methods to socialize
young people to the task of being in the service.


"jlrogers±³©" wrote:
I was at Treasure Island, in electronics "A" school when JFK got it.
Joined to get away from what I knew.


Can't recall where I was when the Embassy people were taken hostage in
Tehran. It was certainly an "oh ****, here we go" feeling that went on
for a long time.

Regards-
Doug King, ex-BT1(SW)

On Fri, 16 May 2008 05:45:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Well, you guys are older than me... it's a different world now. I
joined up in 1979 during the Carter Recession, when the employment
section of a major metropolitan newspaper was less than 2 columns.
There were not "Help Wanted" signs on every fast-food joint & gas
station. If there were, I would not have enlisted. As it was, I took
the Navy over the Air Force because they could take me in sooner.

And it's a different world now than in 1979 too. About 30 years ago
one my brothers, 5 years younger than me, clued me in when he told me
we were in different generations. There's probably a new one every
year now.
BTW, the worst unemployment since the Great Depression was in 82-83.
The Reagan Depression.
You were the Navy and missed it.

--Vic

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@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

My cousin, a few years older than me, elected to join the Marines when
his draft number came up.

MIA

I still have a copper bracelet with his name, rank, & service #; but
nowadays I only wear it to family occasions where people know what
it's for.


3 of the ETs that graduated from my Electronics Technician school at
Great Lakes Naval Training Center in IL were sent to USS Liberty as I
went to PMEL School at Lowry AFB, Colo to become a metrologist.

Remember what happened to them at the hands of our so-called "friends" in
1967? They were MURDERED:
http://www.gtr5.com/
The coverup and lies that followed are some of the most shameful,
disgusting times in US history. Israel was supposed to SINK liberty with
all hands so that the USA could enter the war blaming Egypt for the
sinking....just like the Gulf of Tonkin false flag operation that got us
into Vietnam....that never happened, either.

As you may guess, I'm not much of a fanboi of Jews or Israelis or Zionism
or the US Government they control.




Can't recall where I was when the Embassy people were taken hostage in
Tehran. It was certainly an "oh ****, here we go" feeling that went on
for a long time.

Regards-
Doug King, ex-BT1(SW)



The Embassy got what it deserved. I lived in Tehran from 1977 to just 28
days before the Shahanshah was deposed in 1979, working for the Iranian
Air Force in the SIGINT/ELINT mission as Metrology Laboratory Head under
contract with Pan Am Airlines Technical Services Branch.

When you called the American Embassy, a place mere Americans were never
allowed to enter past the front counter unless you were carrying a
retired US military ID card, you were simply told to "maintain a low
profile" because all that CIA intellegencia had no idea what was going on
as they rarely ever left the compound and never asked us expats walking
the streets. BRITISH Embassy was where the best information came from,
so true and reliable the Iranians called the BE's terrorist hotline
recording to find out what was going to explode today. (Mere Americans
WERE, BTW, allowed into the British Embassy, Australian Embassy, New
Zealand Embassy...invited to Embassy parties if one were shacked up with
one of their citizens like I was. The American Embassy was USELESS for
Americans living in Iran. The only thing the American Embassy did was to
house the IRS bureaucrats trying to threaten us if we didn't hand over
our tax information on what the Iranians used to pay us under the table
to keep us from leaving. Some Americans became Canadians under IRS
pressure....it worked.