Wilbur Hubbard wrote:


I have no idea as to the whereabouts of the particular anchorage you have in
mind nor about any other anchorage you might frequent. But one thing I DO
know and it's the only thing that matters is it's high time people start
asserting their rights to clean air and peace and quiet in ANY anchorage
other than some big shipping anchorage which small yachts would have to be
daft to even consider using.


I agree that one generator can ruin the peace of an anchorage for the
entire group. I'll also add as annoyances any sort of music which is
clearly audible outside the confines of the boat on which it's being played.

However, the problem is that we have no rights to assert. I prefer
perfect quiet whilst at anchor but have no more right to that than
someone has the right to both run a generator AND play rap noise. There
are no rules. There are only standards evolved from when we didn't have
generators or rap crap.

Just as for me, the beauty of a sail is being able to end a day or set
of days at sea by a quiet time on my aft deck enjoying the remains of
the day or the evening quiet, some think the perfect end to a day at sea
is watching TV or listening to 50 cent piece wail on about how he likes
to shoot his bitch's ass with the piece he stole off of a police he killed.

At one anchorage south of Peanut Island in FL (Palm Beach) one fellow
playing loud music apparently got his anchor rode cut by another fellow
who swam there in an amphibious attack. But as much as we fantasize
about doing that, AFAIK, that's the only time it really occurred and it
may have been a defective cable at that.

-paul

"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:


I have no idea as to the whereabouts of the particular anchorage you have
in mind nor about any other anchorage you might frequent. But one thing I
DO know and it's the only thing that matters is it's high time people
start asserting their rights to clean air and peace and quiet in ANY
anchorage other than some big shipping anchorage which small yachts would
have to be daft to even consider using.


I agree that one generator can ruin the peace of an anchorage for the
entire group. I'll also add as annoyances any sort of music which is
clearly audible outside the confines of the boat on which it's being
played.

However, the problem is that we have no rights to assert. I prefer perfect
quiet whilst at anchor but have no more right to that than someone has the
right to both run a generator AND play rap noise. There are no rules.
There are only standards evolved from when we didn't have generators or
rap crap.

Just as for me, the beauty of a sail is being able to end a day or set of
days at sea by a quiet time on my aft deck enjoying the remains of the day
or the evening quiet, some think the perfect end to a day at sea is
watching TV or listening to 50 cent piece wail on about how he likes to
shoot his bitch's ass with the piece he stole off of a police he killed.

At one anchorage south of Peanut Island in FL (Palm Beach) one fellow
playing loud music apparently got his anchor rode cut by another fellow
who swam there in an amphibious attack. But as much as we fantasize about
doing that, AFAIK, that's the only time it really occurred and it may have
been a defective cable at that.

-paul

I have to disagree with you on one point and that is everybody has the same
right to enjoy their time as the next guy. That sounds fair but it isn't.
One needs to add the qualifier that everybody has the same right to enjoy
their time as they see fit AS LONG AS THEY AREN'T BOTHERING SOMEBODY ELSE
WITH THEIR NOISE, SMELL, COMMOTTION, POLLUTION, CLOSE PROXIMITY, SLOPPY
ANCHORING, DRUG ABUSE, THEIVERY, RUDE BEHAVIOR, ETC.

In other words, it involves the golden rule. Do unto others as you would
have them do unto you. If you are such a self-centered, rude sumbitch that
you end up with your anchor rode cut you should take the hint and shut the
f*ck up. If you love loud music then wear earphones and crank up the volume
until it shatters your eardrums but don't impose yourself on everybody else
in the anchorage. That will end you up sunk or worse.

I know of one anchorage where drug dealers set up in an old derelict of a
boat. It was only allowed to continue for about a month with the coming and
goings of addicts at all hours. When it got to the point when the addicts
were stealing dinghies, motors, anchors, life jackets and breaking into
anchored boats their drug boat ended up burning to the waterline and sinking
one dark night. End of problem!

It is often said that might makes right. And, fortunately, those who are
interested in right are most often the mightiest and that works to all our
advantage.

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:


I have to disagree with you on one point and that is everybody has the same
right to enjoy their time as the next guy. That sounds fair but it isn't.
One needs to add the qualifier that everybody has the same right to enjoy
their time as they see fit AS LONG AS THEY AREN'T BOTHERING SOMEBODY ELSE
WITH THEIR NOISE, SMELL, COMMOTTION, POLLUTION, CLOSE PROXIMITY, SLOPPY
ANCHORING, DRUG ABUSE, THEIVERY, RUDE BEHAVIOR, ETC.

In other words, it involves the golden rule. Do unto others as you would
have them do unto you. If you are such a self-centered, rude sumbitch that
you end up with your anchor rode cut you should take the hint and shut the
f*ck up. If you love loud music then wear earphones and crank up the volume
until it shatters your eardrums but don't impose yourself on everybody else
in the anchorage. That will end you up sunk or worse.

I know of one anchorage where drug dealers set up in an old derelict of a
boat. It was only allowed to continue for about a month with the coming and
goings of addicts at all hours. When it got to the point when the addicts
were stealing dinghies, motors, anchors, life jackets and breaking into
anchored boats their drug boat ended up burning to the waterline and sinking
one dark night. End of problem!

It is often said that might makes right. And, fortunately, those who are
interested in right are most often the mightiest and that works to all our
advantage.


A right is something which can be and needs be asserted. If a right is
violated, then those who assert against the transgressor needs to have
the backing of some sort of law.

The founders believed natural law backed their revolution against the
Crown. Here we have no such backing. If I were to take action against a
peace transgressor, that transgressor could and likely would set the
local law enforcement against me.

Your example of a drug dealer is off the grid of what we can reasonably
expect to encounter. Clearly a drug dealer who is making a fuss at
anchorage won't call the sheriff so he can continue to proceed with his
business. However, playing rap crap or running a genset so one can view
the latest TV Idol show is within governing law and thus the loser in a
confrontation would likely be those seeking peace.

"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. ..
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:


I have to disagree with you on one point and that is everybody has the
same right to enjoy their time as the next guy. That sounds fair but it
isn't. One needs to add the qualifier that everybody has the same right
to enjoy their time as they see fit AS LONG AS THEY AREN'T BOTHERING
SOMEBODY ELSE WITH THEIR NOISE, SMELL, COMMOTTION, POLLUTION, CLOSE
PROXIMITY, SLOPPY ANCHORING, DRUG ABUSE, THEIVERY, RUDE BEHAVIOR, ETC.

In other words, it involves the golden rule. Do unto others as you would
have them do unto you. If you are such a self-centered, rude sumbitch
that you end up with your anchor rode cut you should take the hint and
shut the f*ck up. If you love loud music then wear earphones and crank up
the volume until it shatters your eardrums but don't impose yourself on
everybody else in the anchorage. That will end you up sunk or worse.

I know of one anchorage where drug dealers set up in an old derelict of a
boat. It was only allowed to continue for about a month with the coming
and goings of addicts at all hours. When it got to the point when the
addicts were stealing dinghies, motors, anchors, life jackets and
breaking into anchored boats their drug boat ended up burning to the
waterline and sinking one dark night. End of problem!

It is often said that might makes right. And, fortunately, those who are
interested in right are most often the mightiest and that works to all
our advantage.


A right is something which can be and needs be asserted. If a right is
violated, then those who assert against the transgressor needs to have the
backing of some sort of law.

The founders believed natural law backed their revolution against the
Crown. Here we have no such backing. If I were to take action against a
peace transgressor, that transgressor could and likely would set the local
law enforcement against me.

Your example of a drug dealer is off the grid of what we can reasonably
expect to encounter. Clearly a drug dealer who is making a fuss at
anchorage won't call the sheriff so he can continue to proceed with his
business. However, playing rap crap or running a genset so one can view
the latest TV Idol show is within governing law and thus the loser in a
confrontation would likely be those seeking peace.


Not necessarily so. All it really takes is two or three 'concerned'
individuals working in concert against the disrespectful source of the
nuisance. If one individual can be disrespectful, disruptive and
inconsiderate of others, several others can band together against him and
make his life a living hell, enough so that he clears out.

This is not an admirable thing to do but it is often the ONLY course of
action some selfish ******* will ever understand. Even the most dense stoner
will get a clue sooner or later that he isn't wanted and will suffer dire
consequences day in and day out unless and until he becomes more
considerate.

When the *law* fails us vigilante justice is the cure.

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur,

Not to worry, I'll have the stereo caranking so loud that you won't be
disturbed by the generator.

Dave M.

It's 5PM here in the Abacos. My "non portable gen set is purring
away, charging batteries and making hot water.
I'm enjoying a 12 yr. single malt scotch. Guests are due to arrive at
6, after they shut their gen sets down.

Then with hot water made, batteries charged, we'll grill some Conch
and Grouper, enjoy some nice wine, blow our conch horns to celebrate
the sunset, discuss world politics, have a brandy and turn in.
Tomorrow's another day. We're happy, and don't give a **** about a
turd calling himself Wilbur.

Rant on fool!

wrote in message
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It's 5PM here in the Abacos. My "non portable gen set is purring
away, charging batteries and making hot water.
I'm enjoying a 12 yr. single malt scotch. Guests are due to arrive at
6, after they shut their gen sets down.

Then with hot water made, batteries charged, we'll grill some Conch
and Grouper, enjoy some nice wine, blow our conch horns to celebrate
the sunset, discuss world politics, have a brandy and turn in.
Tomorrow's another day. We're happy, and don't give a **** about a
turd calling himself Wilbur.

Rant on fool!


DREAM on ******! Grill conch??? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahhahahhahahahah. What a
freaking liar you are. Grilled conch would too tough to eat. You can't fool
me. I've spent plenty of time in the Abacos and you don't grill conch. You
might as well grill shoe leather, man!

But, grilled, freshly hooked or speared grouper is the bomb!

Do you drink Pinch? If not you're a loser! Got any genuine Romeo Y Julieta
Reserva Real cigars to smoke with the pinch? Probably you never even heard
of them?

http://www.bevmo.com/productinfo.asp...=0000 0003564

and:

http://www.cigar.com/cigars/viewcigar.asp?brand=360

Thank me for attempting to educate you to some of life's real pleasures.

And speaking of pleasures, Here's a recent photo of my fiancee.

http://hosted.femjoy.com/galleries/1...0/pics/005.jpg

Nice hair, huh?

++++++
Wilbur Hubbard
Swan 68, "Chippewa"