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Anchorage identification and boarding techniques
Anchorage identification and boarding techniques
It used to be that an LED anchor light would be scarce enough (and much brighter among all the incandescents) that finding our boat would be a piece of cake. That's no longer the case, at least in the anchorages we were in this last 7 or so months - LEDs are now predominant. However, we used some of (we had to buy an entire reel) the red LED rope lighting we have throughout our boat to illuminate the cockpit. We'd originally thought of it for under-way use, but it's far too bright for that application, red or not. It's impossible for anyone to mistake this for a navigation light, as it forms an arc (~18" tall) on the binnacle. It isn't a 2-mile visibility item, in any case, but it does show up from perhaps a mile away as a very faint line (getting brighter as you approach, of course). So, not only is it unique (well, our cruising buddies who liked the idea so well they did it, too, aside), it lights the cockpit as we board. Its overhead (recall my electrical post budget/list) is all of 0.1A, just like our anchor light, so we usually leave it lit all night when we're at anchor. It helps us find Flying Pig, but also provides some deck-level lighting for those in close range and impaired, assisting in avoiding (yes, I know they're making better idiots every day) us, helping identify that there's a boat there, even if they fail to notice the anchor light. Those same red lights below tend to make the windows (well, ports!) show up a bit better in the dark, too, helping us and others identify the presence of Flying Pig! To assist our boarding we have a remote-control LED stern deck light (11x9 array - extremely bright, used in billboard illumination in remote areas where batteries and solar panels power the lighting - overhead 0.6A) which we activate as we approach, bathing our platform and stern in visibility. That same light, if spreader lights and foredeck light were not enough to highlight our presence to large traffic which somehow didn't see us, could be aimed forward to our sails... L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah) |
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"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message ... Anchorage identification and boarding techniques It used to be that an LED anchor light would be scarce enough (and much brighter among all the incandescents) that finding our boat would be a piece of cake. That's no longer the case, at least in the anchorages we were in this last 7 or so months - LEDs are now predominant. Most LEDs are generally not even legal for anchor light purposes. They tend to be too directional in nature and are more like a mini-spotlight than the required, two-mile minimum, 360 degree light. Nothing is more pathetic than a half a million dollar yacht anchored using those pitifully weak, LED, illegal, solar lawn lights but one sees them in use all the time. Sad! For a good, bright, long-lasting anchor light one should go the compact fluorescent route. Here is my suggestion: http://www.servicelighting.com/catal...m?prod=TC10715 It will fit in a standard night light socket and it is such a powerful, bright light with a very noticeable white (as opposed to the usual yellow-looking feeble anchor light) Run it off your inverter hung from the backstay about fifteen feet up. Don't use the photocell socket as compact fluorescents are slowly damaged by the flicker effect that photocell sockets cause when coming on and going off. If this proves too bright for your purposes (It puts out close to what a 100 watt incandescent bulb produces) there are lower wattage examples available. The four watt model is actually bright enough to be legal. But, if you want to be able to pick your boat out even from five miles away the bulb linked above is the way to go. Wilbur Hubbard |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:56:46 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Skip Gundlach" wrote in message ... Anchorage identification and boarding techniques It used to be that an LED anchor light would be scarce enough (and much brighter among all the incandescents) that finding our boat would be a piece of cake. That's no longer the case, at least in the anchorages we were in this last 7 or so months - LEDs are now predominant. Most LEDs are generally not even legal for anchor light purposes. They tend to be too directional in nature and are more like a mini-spotlight than the required, two-mile minimum, 360 degree light. What a dope! The LED mastlights are comprised of many leds mounted to a cylinder inside a faceted lens. No problem whatsoever getting 360 degrees and two miles. $300 and difficult to wire and mount. vs. $14.95 and an extension cord and ten minutes to affix! Now, ask yourself who is the dope! And, in most yacht anchorages small boat traffic is the only concern. Small boats don't generally look way up in the sky for anchor lights. Anchor lights mounted at the masthead are far less noticeable than one mounted ten or fifteen feet high. Now, run along little boy! Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message ... Well, now we know he hasn't been in a marine supply store recently either. And you also should know I don't fall for expensive gimmicks the likes of which the typical, ignorant wannabe boater is enamored of. Anybody who pays 300 bucks for a LED light that does not work as well as a $14.95 compact fluorescent bulb is a fool. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message ... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote "Roger Long" wrote in message ... Well, now we know he hasn't been in a marine supply store recently either. Anybody who pays 300 bucks for a LED light .... Futher proof. Further proof of what? That you don't have a clue? Check it out he http://www.foreandaftmarine.com/LOPOLIGHT.htm See where it costs 350 dollars for the 2-mile LED anchor light? Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message ... Pay what you want. My 2 nm LED anchor light was less than half that and a very nice looking unit. -- Roger Long "Nice looking?" C'mon, now Roger. Since when has "nice looking" been the guide to quality equipment? You get what you pay for and that's a fact. Top of the line stuff costs big bucks. You either figure your boat and your life's worth it or it's not. Tell you what. The fifteen dollar compact fluorescent bulb does a better job at lighting up my anchored Allied Seawind 32 than does the expensive LED. The expensive one was a waste of money from that standpoint. From an esthetic standpoint, however, a masthead lamp is more traditional even if it is less functional. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:36:36 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote: "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote "Roger Long" wrote in message ... Well, now we know he hasn't been in a marine supply store recently either. Anybody who pays 300 bucks for a LED light .... Futher proof. Is what people mean when they talk of being hoisted by one's own petard? Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
in most yacht anchorages .... a light is not required.... Cheers Marty |
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On 2008-04-18 23:27:02 -0400, Marty said:
Wilbur Hubbard wrote: in most yacht anchorages .... a light is not required.... As long as you don't mind being bumped into and can pay the damage your insurance company won't pay for. There are very few anchorages where an anchor light is not required by regs. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message
... wrote Really? Has anyone ever explained to you how to read a chart? All those designated anchorages do NOT require an anchor light. Nor do most designated mooring areas spracht the harbormaster. I always put my light on wherever I am anchored just because it gives me a nice warm fuzzy feeling and indicates that I am anchored rather than on a mooring so my watch circle could be larger. I sometimes put it on even in designated mooring areas if there is a lot of boat traffic and visibility is poor. Clearly though, someone's nautical knowledge is showing itself a bit thin. -- Roger Long I also put mine on even if it isn't required. A small bit of piece of mind... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:20:43 -0400, Roger Long wrote:
Pay what you want. My 2 nm LED anchor light was less than half that and a very nice looking unit. And you'll never have to climb the mast to replace the bulb again, or pay someone else to do it, as most boat owners would have to. I say it's a bargain. Matt O. |
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On 2008-04-19 10:26:39 -0400, Rosalie B. said:
There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis, Where's that? Not that it matters much to me. If I'm anchored, I have the lights on. One question I've always had was whether mooring fields were considered anchorages or something else, something closer to being a marina. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news:2008041921010575249-jerelull@maccom... On 2008-04-19 10:26:39 -0400, Rosalie B. said: There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis, Where's that? Not that it matters much to me. If I'm anchored, I have the lights on. One question I've always had was whether mooring fields were considered anchorages or something else, something closer to being a marina. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ I've never heard of a requirement for an anchor light in a mooring field for yachts, especially around here. Still a good idea though. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 01:01:05 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:
There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis, Where's that? Downtown Annapolis, right in front of the Naval Academy. Chart # 12283_1, lat 38-58.5, lon 76-28.9 |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2008041921010575249-jerelull@maccom... On 2008-04-19 10:26:39 -0400, Rosalie B. said: There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis, Where's that? Not that it matters much to me. If I'm anchored, I have the lights on. One question I've always had was whether mooring fields were considered anchorages or something else, something closer to being a marina. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ I've never heard of a requirement for an anchor light in a mooring field for yachts, especially around here. Still a good idea though. Do you fly the "day shapes" whn anchored during the day? Curious id people actually do that or ignore it. Richard -- (remove the X to email) Now just why the HELL do I have to press 1 for English? John Wayne |
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"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
m... Capt. JG wrote: "Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2008041921010575249-jerelull@maccom... On 2008-04-19 10:26:39 -0400, Rosalie B. said: There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis, Where's that? Not that it matters much to me. If I'm anchored, I have the lights on. One question I've always had was whether mooring fields were considered anchorages or something else, something closer to being a marina. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ I've never heard of a requirement for an anchor light in a mooring field for yachts, especially around here. Still a good idea though. Do you fly the "day shapes" whn anchored during the day? Curious id people actually do that or ignore it. Richard -- (remove the X to email) Now just why the HELL do I have to press 1 for English? John Wayne If we're going to be there long enough for me to be able to find the damn thing... :-) I've never seen an under 20m sailboat do that however... even ones who've been on the hook for days/weeks. Some of them don't even show a light, even though they're not in a designated anchorage. I've never heard of anyone getting a ticket for not doing that, but I suppose it happens if the CG wants it to happen. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote:
"cavelamb himself" wrote in message om... Capt. JG wrote: "Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2008041921010575249-jerelull@maccom... On 2008-04-19 10:26:39 -0400, Rosalie B. said: There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis, Where's that? Not that it matters much to me. If I'm anchored, I have the lights on. One question I've always had was whether mooring fields were considered anchorages or something else, something closer to being a marina. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ MO (without looking it up) is that the moorings are listed on the charts so that we know where they are, not so that we don't have to show an anchor light if we are anchored there. I've never heard of a requirement for an anchor light in a mooring field for yachts, especially around here. Still a good idea though. Do you fly the "day shapes" whn anchored during the day? Curious if people actually do that or ignore it. Well we do. We have the dayshape and the anchor light on a halyard and we hoist it when we anchor. The anchor light is photo sensitive and goes on when it gets dark. When It's not dark, the dayshape is there. There's a guy we know who anchors for long periods (not sure if he is over 20 meters or not), and he also abides by all the regulations so that if he is boarded (which because he has a strange looking boat he often is) he can demonstrate that he's done absolutely everything required. If we're going to be there long enough for me to be able to find the damn thing... :-) I've never seen an under 20m sailboat do that however... even ones who've been on the hook for days/weeks. Some of them don't even show a light, even though they're not in a designated anchorage. I've never heard of anyone getting a ticket for not doing that, but I suppose it happens if the CG wants it to happen. |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:17:17 -0400, Rosalie B.
wrote: There's a guy we know who anchors for long periods (not sure if he is over 20 meters or not), and he also abides by all the regulations so that if he is boarded (which because he has a strange looking boat he often is) he can demonstrate that he's done absolutely everything required. Sort of like this one ? :-) http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?i...rmsboatgm6.jpg |
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Rosalie B. wrote:
" Well we do. We have the dayshape and the anchor light on a halyard and we hoist it when we anchor. The anchor light is photo sensitive and goes on when it gets dark. When It's not dark, the dayshape is there. As usual, Rosalie, an elegant solution to a funky problem. Thanks. Richard -- (remove the X to email) Now just why the HELL do I have to press 1 for English? John Wayne |
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... On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:01:03 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "cavelamb himself" wrote in message news:Mv2dndTmFbafLpfVnZ2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@earthlink. com... Capt. JG wrote: "Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2008041921010575249-jerelull@maccom... On 2008-04-19 10:26:39 -0400, Rosalie B. said: There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis, Where's that? Not that it matters much to me. If I'm anchored, I have the lights on. One question I've always had was whether mooring fields were considered anchorages or something else, something closer to being a marina. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ I've never heard of a requirement for an anchor light in a mooring field for yachts, especially around here. Still a good idea though. Do you fly the "day shapes" whn anchored during the day? Curious id people actually do that or ignore it. Richard -- (remove the X to email) Now just why the HELL do I have to press 1 for English? John Wayne If we're going to be there long enough for me to be able to find the damn thing... :-) I've never seen an under 20m sailboat do that however... even ones who've been on the hook for days/weeks. Some of them don't even show a light, even though they're not in a designated anchorage. I've never heard of anyone getting a ticket for not doing that, but I suppose it happens if the CG wants it to happen. The problem with day shapes is that the sizes are huge. The minimum sized anchor dayshape is about 2 feet in diameter. Boats under 20 meters are allowed to have proportionately smaller dayshapes, but there are no exact formulas issued for what that means, so anything under 2 feet is open to dispute in court. I have a spare Davis radar reflector spray painted black that I fly under the spreaders when anchored. I have no idea if it would even legally count. In busy anchorages, I also usually tie a few short pieces of yellow caution tape to the anchor rode between the roller and where it enters the water. That seems to be enough of a hint for the oblivious stinkpotters racing around to avoid them cutting too close. I treat "special anchorages no differently than any other as far as precautions and signals, except I don't normally use horn or bell signals unless there is very limited visibility due to weather conditions and it seems needed for safety. Doubtful about the blackened reflector... sounds like a Cajun dish... but, they'll probably give you a B- for trying. I like the caution tape idea. Fortunately, I only anchored one time in an anchorage that seemed like it would be prone to someone cutting across the line... it was all chain, and I figured they would be worse for it. Nothing happened, but the next morning we discovered someone had anchored after dark, and had crossed our line with theirs. They were a bit close on the swimg, but everything was stable, so we just hailed them when they woke up, and we disentangled pretty easily. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:01:03 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "cavelamb himself" wrote in message news:Mv2dndTmFbafLpfVnZ2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@earthlink. com... Capt. JG wrote: "Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2008041921010575249-jerelull@maccom... On 2008-04-19 10:26:39 -0400, Rosalie B. said: There are not that many designated anchorages listed on the charts where we sail. I know of one off Annapolis, Where's that? Not that it matters much to me. If I'm anchored, I have the lights on. One question I've always had was whether mooring fields were considered anchorages or something else, something closer to being a marina. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ I've never heard of a requirement for an anchor light in a mooring field for yachts, especially around here. Still a good idea though. Do you fly the "day shapes" whn anchored during the day? Curious id people actually do that or ignore it. Richard -- (remove the X to email) Now just why the HELL do I have to press 1 for English? John Wayne If we're going to be there long enough for me to be able to find the damn thing... :-) I've never seen an under 20m sailboat do that however... even ones who've been on the hook for days/weeks. Some of them don't even show a light, even though they're not in a designated anchorage. I've never heard of anyone getting a ticket for not doing that, but I suppose it happens if the CG wants it to happen. The problem with day shapes is that the sizes are huge. The minimum sized anchor dayshape is about 2 feet in diameter. Boats under 20 meters are allowed to have proportionately smaller dayshapes, but there are no exact formulas issued for what that means, so anything under 2 feet is open to dispute in court. I have a spare Davis radar reflector spray painted black that I fly under the spreaders when anchored. I have no idea if it would even legally count. In busy anchorages, I also usually tie a few short pieces of yellow caution tape to the anchor rode between the roller and where it enters the water. That seems to be enough of a hint for the oblivious stinkpotters racing around to avoid them cutting too close. I treat "special anchorages no differently than any other as far as precautions and signals, except I don't normally use horn or bell signals unless there is very limited visibility due to weather conditions and it seems needed for safety. Hey, you could use one of those environmentally unfriendly metalic helium balloons painted black... just don't lose it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:17:17 -0400, Rosalie B.
wrote: MO (without looking it up) is that the moorings are listed on the charts so that we know where they are, not so that we don't have to show an anchor light if we are anchored there. Here in Iowa a cop boat hit an anchored boat at high speed. Killed someone in their bunk. It was a designated anchorage, but the state tried to blame the victim for not showing lights. Casady |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:17:17 -0400, Rosalie B. wrote: There's a guy we know who anchors for long periods (not sure if he is over 20 meters or not), and he also abides by all the regulations so that if he is boarded (which because he has a strange looking boat he often is) he can demonstrate that he's done absolutely everything required. Sort of like this one ? :-) http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?i...rmsboatgm6.jpg Yep that's the one. http://cache.virtualtourist.com/7346..._Augustine.jpg http://cache.virtualtourist.com/7540...hns_Island.jpg http://cache.virtualtourist.com/1343..._Augustine.jpg And the solution for the anchor light/dayshape was Bob's and not mine. He's the engineer, I'm just the reporter. |
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wrote in message ... The problem with day shapes is that the sizes are huge. The minimum sized anchor dayshape is about 2 feet in diameter. Boats under 20 meters are allowed to have proportionately smaller dayshapes, but there are no exact formulas issued for what that means, so anything under 2 feet is open to dispute in court. You can get black plastic ones like balloons but thicker with an eye top and bottom to allow you to hoist them and pin the bottom down. Flatten down to nothing when deflated. |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message news:u8qdnXqF0Zr7PJfVnZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d@bayareasolut ions... I've never heard of a requirement for an anchor light in a mooring field for yachts, especially around here. Still a good idea though. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Stupid twit! And you CLAIM to have passed the USCG license exam and studied the COLREGS. You are pathetic, man pathetic! What a poor example you are to us competent and real captains! What don't you understand about this? Rule 30 (a) A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be seen: in the fore part, an all-round white light or one ball; at or near the stern and at a lower level than the light prescribed in subparagraph (i), an all-round white light. (b) A vessel of less than 50 meters in length may exhibit an all-round white light where it can best be seen instead of the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule. (c) A vessel at anchor may, and a vessel of 100 meters and more in length shall, also use the available working or equivalent lights to illuminate her decks. (d) A vessel aground shall exhibit the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) or (b) of this Rule and in addition, if practicable, [Inld] where they can best be seen; two all-round red lights in a vertical line; three balls in a vertical line. (e) A vessel of less than 7 meters in length, when at anchor not in or near a narrow channel, fairway or where other vessels normally navigate, shall not be required to exhibit the shape prescribed in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this Rule. (f) A vessel of less than 12 meters in length, when aground, shall not be required to exhibit the lights or shapes prescribed in subparagraphs (d)(i) and (ii) of this Rule. (g) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, when at anchor in a special anchorage area designated by the Secretary, shall not be required to exhibit the anchor lights and shapes required by this Rule. [Inld] ~~~~~~Moored vessel are considered to be anchored by definition~~~~~ 33 CFR 90 INTERPRETIVE RULES - INLAND § 90.1 Purpose This part contains the interpretative rules for the Inland Rules. These interpretative rules are intended as a guide to assist the public and promote compliance with the Inland Rules. § 90.5 Lights for moored vessels A vessel at anchor includes a vessel made fast to one or more mooring buoys or other similar device attached to the ocean floor. Such vessels may be lighted as a vessel at anchor in accordance with Rule 30, or may be lighted on the corners in accordance with 33 CFR 88.13. So, try weaseling your ignorant way out of this one! Few if any of you reading this anchor in the few "Special Ancorages" that are available as most of them are very exposed to wind and sea and generally exist for the sake of large shipping interests waiting to come into port. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:45:03 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: Few if any of you reading this anchor in the few "Special Ancorages" that are available as most of them are very exposed to wind and sea and generally exist for the sake of large shipping interests waiting to come into port. Bull kwap nonsense, most of them are mooring fields. |
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On Apr 20, 7:20*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:45:03 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Few if any of you reading this anchor in the few "Special Ancorages" that are available as most of them are very exposed to wind and sea and generally exist for the sake of large shipping interests waiting to come into port. Bull kwap nonsense, most of them are mooring fields. I think you need to broaden you horizons and sail around a bit more. In the PNW morring fields dont exist. We got slips in marinas and the wild wooley west style of just finding a place out of the wind and anchor.... in the estuary of course. Unless ya would like to anchor off Seattle........ ! Better have l o t s of rode there ! ! ! Bob |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:20:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:45:03 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Few if any of you reading this anchor in the few "Special Ancorages" that are available as most of them are very exposed to wind and sea and generally exist for the sake of large shipping interests waiting to come into port. Bull kwap nonsense, most of them are mooring fields. What in God's world is a "mooring field?" I know what a mooring is, it is something you tie a boat to when you don't want it to go away, and I know what a field is, it is a place to grow hay to feed the cattle when the show is six feet deep. But I'll be damned if I can figure out what a mooring field is. A field to tie up a boat in? Seems redundant, if it is in a field why do you need to tie it up? It is on solid land. Is this some of this modern english that us old farts don't understand? Heh man! Cool! Righteous! It is things like this (and Hillary) that make me glad I don't live there any more. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:20:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:45:03 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Few if any of you reading this anchor in the few "Special Ancorages" that are available as most of them are very exposed to wind and sea and generally exist for the sake of large shipping interests waiting to come into port. Bull kwap nonsense, most of them are mooring fields. What in God's world is a "mooring field?" I know what a mooring is, it is something you tie a boat to when you don't want it to go away, and I know what a field is, it is a place to grow hay to feed the cattle when the show is six feet deep. But I'll be damned if I can figure out what a mooring field is. A field to tie up a boat in? Seems redundant, if it is in a field why do you need to tie it up? It is on solid land. Is this some of this modern english that us old farts don't understand? Heh man! Cool! Righteous! It is things like this (and Hillary) that make me glad I don't live there any more. That's one of the more sensible posts you've written to date, sir! Good to see you having a lucid moment. But, the sad fact is that younger yachties here in the U.S.A. LOVE mooring fields. They often support the concept whole-heartedly. They would rather pay dearly for a dubious mooring where one is surrounded as closely as a boat length by other fools who think a cluster f*ck is the cat's meow than seek out a nice, quiet, private place to anchor. (Skippy comes to mind!) Rather than acquiring the proper ground tackle and learning how to use it so they have confidence in it, they prefer to pay for the 'privilege' of being treated like so much cordwood. But this is sailing to most of them. They are a generation in dependent sheep. who quake in fear at the very thought of living in a "foreign country" that has few rules and regulations. They would be paralyzed because there isn't a bunch of rules and regulations they must follow and feel good about following since it takes the responsibility of decision from them. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:02:16 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote: A mooring field is an area where the moorings are so closely spaced, often in a regular pattern, that anchoring between them would be impractical. Often, they are so close that just navigating through the area is difficult and channels are often left for the purpose. Usually, a mooring field is overseen and mooring locations managed by someone like me. There are "unofficial" mooring fields where coves or harbors have simply filled up with moorings. Working definition: If you can find a place to set a hook in amongst the moorings, it is not a mooring field. If you say, "Dang, we'll have to jill around while we send someone ashore in the dinghy for ice and beer and then go anchor around the point", it's a mooring field. I'm pretty sure that they didn't have them things when I was sailing down that a way. Used to be you could just find a nook and drop the hook and take the dinghy to shore to find out where you were. Sounds like it has all gone down hill since I left. Heck, you could sail nearly anywhere in the state without even catching a lobster pot. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
Anchorage identification and boarding techniques
"Roger Long" wrote in message
... A mooring field is an area where the moorings are so closely spaced, often in a regular pattern, that anchoring between them would be impractical. Often, they are so close that just navigating through the area is difficult and channels are often left for the purpose. Usually, a mooring field is overseen and mooring locations managed by someone like me. There are "unofficial" mooring fields where coves or harbors have simply filled up with moorings. Working definition: If you can find a place to set a hook in amongst the moorings, it is not a mooring field. If you say, "Dang, we'll have to jill around while we send someone ashore in the dinghy for ice and beer and then go anchor around the point", it's a mooring field. -- Roger Long I good example is what they have off Catalina... lots and lots of boats tied up in a relatively small space. We have similiar at Angel Island. The wind/currents are such there that everyone ties bow to one and stern to another, so no one swings into another boat. This works great for large raft-ups that happen at various times... 10+ boats in a raft up. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On 21 Apr 2008 09:44:12 -0500, Dave wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:33:16 GMT, (Richard Casady) said: Here in Iowa Where in Iowa are you? Near Des Moines, in the country. Do the boating on Spirit Lake, 200 miles North and West of here.. Have a 22 foot aluminum Cuddy. Lots of locking storage. 175 HP 4 cylinder MerCruiser. I just might cruise the Great Lakes with it. Casady |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:03:59 GMT, (Richard Casady) said: Do the boating on Spirit Lake, 200 miles North and West of here. I know it well. Used to teach swimming at Okiboji, and first sailed there on a little sunfish clone. I used to own a sunfish down in San Diego about 100 years ago... co-owned it actually, since neither of could afford it on our own. What a great little boat. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message news:Yqadnde8ptHjIpHVnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@bayareasolut ions... I good example is what they have off Catalina... lots and lots of boats tied up in a relatively small space. We have similiar at Angel Island. The wind/currents are such there that everyone ties bow to one and stern to another, so no one swings into another boat. This works great for large raft-ups that happen at various times... 10+ boats in a raft up. Call me anti-social, but I would go somewhere else if I found I was likely to be rafted up with 10 other boats. Feet pounding across your deck at all hours of the night, loud drunken voices ditto, some idiot playing loud music of his choice to entertain everyone else, etc, etc.etc. No, thanks. That is not my idea of cruising. |
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"Edgar" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message news:Yqadnde8ptHjIpHVnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@bayareasolut ions... I good example is what they have off Catalina... lots and lots of boats tied up in a relatively small space. We have similiar at Angel Island. The wind/currents are such there that everyone ties bow to one and stern to another, so no one swings into another boat. This works great for large raft-ups that happen at various times... 10+ boats in a raft up. Call me anti-social, but I would go somewhere else if I found I was likely to be rafted up with 10 other boats. Feet pounding across your deck at all hours of the night, loud drunken voices ditto, some idiot playing loud music of his choice to entertain everyone else, etc, etc.etc. No, thanks. That is not my idea of cruising. I happen to agree with you completely and adamantly on this one. Rafting up is just the stupidest, lamest, most ignorant and often dangerous thing yachties do. What if a storm comes up quickly in the middle of the night? There will be mayhem, mass confusion and a giant cluster f*ck along with widespread major and minor damage to all yachts concerned. Perhaps even multiple injuries to crews trying to get out of the raft-up in severe wind and sea conditions. Anybody willingly subjecting themselves and their vessels to that kind of thing needs to examine why he's sailing. Stay home if you need a crowd to feel comfortable! Stay at a hotel or join a commune. Wilbur Hubbard |
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