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"Hoges in WA" wrote in news:gIPEj.1102$n8.468
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Hoges in WA



Buy a European boat made to board from being backed up to a quay.

The Amel, for instance, has a nicely engineerred ladder that becomes a
boarding ramp if laid out horizontally, but becomes a step ladder if set
down vertically. It has mahogany (of course) panels that fit in it.

It stores along the rail at sea, starboard side aft. A pin acts as a
pivot
and you just pivot it over the stern for stern-to docking or you can drop
it over the stern and the bottom two steps go into the water for swim
boarding or diving.


Larry - I am fairly sure I couldn't afford an Amel. I read the ads that
the Potter chap has in Cruising World and dream but reality is different to
that.
I've been looking at Tayanas for a while now, hence my original question.
I'll try to find out some detail on the ramp for the Amel - anything that
has more than one use has things going for it.
Hoges in WA

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"Hoges in WA" wrote in message
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Wow... that would make me get back into diving. I've never been to the
Perth area, just eastern Aus (didn't have much time though).

NOT good sailing - nowhere to go really. Very ancient flat land.

Diving, however, is a different story altogether. There's a chappy from
your country who's crossed the Pacific in a Beneteau 45 currently
advertising for crew for a trip from Mooloolaba in Queensland to all the
way around to my place and he's surfing and diving all the way. I'm
tempted to quit work and join up.
Hoges in WA


Shows you how much I know about sailing in that part of the world.... I just
figured Perth was great sailing. By nowhere to go, do you mean there are no
good anchorages within reach?

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Hoges in WA" wrote in message
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Wow... that would make me get back into diving. I've never been to the
Perth area, just eastern Aus (didn't have much time though).

NOT good sailing - nowhere to go really. Very ancient flat land.

Diving, however, is a different story altogether. There's a chappy from
your country who's crossed the Pacific in a Beneteau 45 currently
advertising for crew for a trip from Mooloolaba in Queensland to all the
way around to my place and he's surfing and diving all the way. I'm
tempted to quit work and join up.
Hoges in WA


Shows you how much I know about sailing in that part of the world.... I
just figured Perth was great sailing. By nowhere to go, do you mean there
are no good anchorages within reach?

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com


Yes. If you're in Perth, the capital of WA, you can go to Rottnest, some 12
miles away, with 300,000 other people. If you're lucky, you can get a
mooring. Maybe. After you've gone in the ballot for it. Rotto is a good
place to dive - something like 13+ wrecks and all shallow. However, because
it's the ONLY option for Perth, it's crowded.
North you can go to the Abrolhos but its a couple of days away.
South you can come down my way but there's nothing to explore - no rivers,
no bays, just long stretches of beach inshore with a prevailing south-wester
pushing you onto it.

Way further up north it gets more interesting but there's not much in the
way of shore-based support. Down south, you have to get to around Albany
before it's interesting also but it's pretty hairy weather down that way.

This is the principal reason why I do not yet have a boat - I'd be going
nowhere and what I want to see is half a world away. I'll be buying in
Florida and heading up the east coast of the US. I'll probably keep it for
when I return, but it'll simply be a floating RV, because the baby boomers
are going to clog the roads with caravans before long and I can still anchor
out in the places they're staying in.
Hoges in WA

"Hoges in WA" wrote in
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I'll try to find out some detail on the ramp for the Amel - anything
that has more than one use has things going for it.
Hoges in WA


http://www.amel.fr/en/pages-amel/sha...tos-plans.htm#

The photo on the left shows the ladder stowed on its peg against the Amel's
hard rail aft. The photo on the right shows it swung overboard so you can
board the dink. It must be a really old photo. French women never wear
that much bikini any more....(c;

While you're there, you might as well watch the Amel 54 movies....(c;

We can all dream.....(c;

Larry wrote:

"Hoges in WA" wrote in
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I'll try to find out some detail on the ramp for the Amel - anything
that has more than one use has things going for it.
Hoges in WA


http://www.amel.fr/en/pages-amel/sha...tos-plans.htm#

The photo on the left shows the ladder stowed on its peg against the Amel's
hard rail aft. The photo on the right shows it swung overboard so you can
board the dink. It must be a really old photo. French women never wear
that much bikini any more....(c;

While you're there, you might as well watch the Amel 54 movies....(c;

This ladder looks very much like the one I have on our boat. Some of
the CSYs had the side ladder that stows up along the lifelines, and
some (ours) have them at the stern. This isn't our boat, but our
ladder is similar

http://cache.virtualtourist.com/1094...our-Nassau.jpg

We have ours half deployed while we are underway or when we are
traveling. There's a line on it so that if you leave it half down,
you can reach the line from the water and pull the ladder the rest of
the way down. This is useful if you fall off the boat or dock because
otherwise, the dinghy on the davits is in the way for deploying the
ladder. This one shows it folded up

http://cache.virtualtourist.com/7399...tona_Beach.jpg

These are with it deployed
http://cache.virtualtourist.com/7475...rtle_Beach.jpg
http://cache.virtualtourist.com/1576...ille_Beach.jpg

The one boat that I'm sure has a side ladder, I just don't have a
photo of that side of the boat. I do have this picture of a side
ladder

http://cache.virtualtourist.com/3938...er-Footman.jpg

But I'm not sure if this was a standard ladder because they also have
a swim platform rigged like this

http://cache.virtualtourist.com/3938...er-Footman.jpg

grandma Rosalie

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156
http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html

"Hoges in WA" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Hoges in WA" wrote in message
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Wow... that would make me get back into diving. I've never been to the
Perth area, just eastern Aus (didn't have much time though).

NOT good sailing - nowhere to go really. Very ancient flat land.

Diving, however, is a different story altogether. There's a chappy from
your country who's crossed the Pacific in a Beneteau 45 currently
advertising for crew for a trip from Mooloolaba in Queensland to all the
way around to my place and he's surfing and diving all the way. I'm
tempted to quit work and join up.
Hoges in WA


Shows you how much I know about sailing in that part of the world.... I
just figured Perth was great sailing. By nowhere to go, do you mean there
are no good anchorages within reach?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com


Yes. If you're in Perth, the capital of WA, you can go to Rottnest, some
12 miles away, with 300,000 other people. If you're lucky, you can get a
mooring. Maybe. After you've gone in the ballot for it. Rotto is a good
place to dive - something like 13+ wrecks and all shallow. However,
because it's the ONLY option for Perth, it's crowded.
North you can go to the Abrolhos but its a couple of days away.
South you can come down my way but there's nothing to explore - no rivers,
no bays, just long stretches of beach inshore with a prevailing
south-wester pushing you onto it.

Way further up north it gets more interesting but there's not much in the
way of shore-based support. Down south, you have to get to around Albany
before it's interesting also but it's pretty hairy weather down that way.

This is the principal reason why I do not yet have a boat - I'd be going
nowhere and what I want to see is half a world away. I'll be buying in
Florida and heading up the east coast of the US. I'll probably keep it
for when I return, but it'll simply be a floating RV, because the baby
boomers are going to clog the roads with caravans before long and I can
still anchor out in the places they're staying in.
Hoges in WA




There's always Diego Garcia. LOL


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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Larry" wrote in message
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"Hoges in WA" wrote in
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I'll try to find out some detail on the ramp for the Amel - anything
that has more than one use has things going for it.
Hoges in WA


http://www.amel.fr/en/pages-amel/sha...tos-plans.htm#

The photo on the left shows the ladder stowed on its peg against the
Amel's
hard rail aft. The photo on the right shows it swung overboard so you can
board the dink. It must be a really old photo. French women never wear
that much bikini any more....(c;

While you're there, you might as well watch the Amel 54 movies....(c;

We can all dream.....(c;

I made myself sit through the whole video looking for reasons why I wouldn't
want one.
Couldn't find one.
Hoges in WA

"Hoges in WA" wrote in
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I made myself sit through the whole video looking for reasons why I
wouldn't want one.
Couldn't find one.
Hoges in WA


If it's any consolation, I couldn't find one, either....(c;

One of the neatest things on an Amel is the neat little lifeline crawler
that attaches to the fixed lifelines. It slides along the horizontal bar
until it comes to a stancion, then there's a neat little gear cog that
walks it around the stancion without letting go. You just tow it along so
easy. No need to have lifeline trip hazards laid along the deck to hook
yourself to.

To move the jib sheet car, even under full strain, you stick your winch
crank into the top of a waist-level shaft mounted to the rail stancion,
pull out a pin to release it and turn the crank until you get the car in
the position you want it, releasing the pin to lock in place. This long
shaft turns a pulley with tackle mechanical advantage that pulls the car
along in its track...very nice indeed. You don't even have to ease the
sheet, letting you watch the effect on the sail shape and telltales to find
that best spot for this tack.

None of the winches on the Sharki 41 are powered, dammit. But they are
very nice, first class winches.....all 12 of them.

Roller furled main and mizzen are also not powered on the Sharki. Winch
handle crank powered on the forward base of the hollow mast. AND, unlike
the Beneteaus, the sail winds up in a LARGE SLOT UNAFFECTED BY A TINY FOLD
which just fouls the hell out of the Beneteaus.

On 2008-03-21 14:36:14 -0400, "Gregory Hall" said:

Try one of these. It's easy to use with dive fins on. It's made of stainless
steel and the one I have has held up extremely well. It's easy to get off
the hull mounted bracket but won't fall off of its own devices.

http://www.garelick.com/product.php?pnumber=19833

They work nicely, but the ones I've seen aren't hinged so they can stay
in place and be deployed with a quick flip. You have to find some place
to stow them, as well.

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Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
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Larry wrote:

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But I'm not sure if this was a standard ladder because they also have
a swim platform rigged like this

http://cache.virtualtourist.com/3938...er-Footman.jpg

They sure have a big last step from that platform to the deck!

Thanks for the tips. My wife is becoming more reassured. She crushed her
ring finger (and rings) on the swinging ladder of the boat I mentioned
before in Exmouth last year.
Hoges in WA

grandma Rosalie

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156
http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html