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"Doug Dotson" wrote:

Hey, hey! Our whole boat is done in Burgundy. Pacific Blue is falling
out of favor around here (know popularly as Boat Blue). Captain
Navy has been most popular color around here for the last few years,
with burgundy, tan, and green close behind.

Doug
s/v Callista

Our boat is in the color known as Black Cherry in the catalogs, which
is maroon or burgundy. That's because we have a maroon stripe. I
don't care for the tan. I like the aqua and that would be my choice
maybe if we didn't have a boat with a red type stripe. I totally hate
black because it becomes a rusty brown, and I don't like brown either.

We used regular damask (double woven) upholstery fabric which we got
from a place that was going out of business to do the cushions inside
the boat. This is not a shiny satiny fabric - it's a very tough
fabric with a double woven design in it. I see no reason to pay for
Sunbrella for that - indoor or outdoor. We used plastic like fabric
on the backsides because it was significantly cheaper, and that's the
way the original cushions were done. (The original cushions were IMHO
a horrible tweed)

We also bought Sunbrella at this place which was bolt ends and
seconds, and have used it for things like hatch covers, winch covers,
dinghy motor covers etc where the fact that the waterproofing isn't as
reliable doesn't matter as much.

When we had the bimini made, it was made of Stamoid and we like it
very much although all the needle holes tend to leak, so you can't
make mistakes sewing it up. I asked whether I could have a light
colored bimini to reflect the sun and was told that I should not do
that because it would get dirty and the dark colors were cooler
anyway. I totally don't believe that dark colors are cooler, and the
Stamoid is easy to wash off.

I think the Sunbrella people tell folks that the dark colors are
better for biminis, but I read somewhere that dark colors protect
better against UV for the sail covers and the edges of the furling
headsails etc, so maybe that's what they are talking about.

"Steve" wrote in message
...
Yah! I been watching for Pacific Blue #4601 or #6001 on eBay, but I must
have missed out on that one.. Most of the colors I have seen are those odd
colors, like Burgundy, etc.

I'm kinda committed to the Pacific Blue because I had several yards of it
already and I made the sleeve for the furled head sail already..

So far this price is the best I have found for what I need and the fact
that
their minimum order is low and free shipping..

For the other poster concerned about the type; this site advertises using
the Sunbrella logo and lists all that product by the the standard color
numbers that I find on the actual Sunbrella site.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions




grandma Rosalie

Source for Sunbrella
 

It is somewhat counterintuative but I have never been able
to notice any difference in temperature under a dark bimini
vs a light color one.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
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"Doug Dotson" wrote:

Hey, hey! Our whole boat is done in Burgundy. Pacific Blue is falling
out of favor around here (know popularly as Boat Blue). Captain
Navy has been most popular color around here for the last few years,
with burgundy, tan, and green close behind.

Doug
s/v Callista

Our boat is in the color known as Black Cherry in the catalogs, which
is maroon or burgundy. That's because we have a maroon stripe. I
don't care for the tan. I like the aqua and that would be my choice
maybe if we didn't have a boat with a red type stripe. I totally hate
black because it becomes a rusty brown, and I don't like brown either.

We used regular damask (double woven) upholstery fabric which we got
from a place that was going out of business to do the cushions inside
the boat. This is not a shiny satiny fabric - it's a very tough
fabric with a double woven design in it. I see no reason to pay for
Sunbrella for that - indoor or outdoor. We used plastic like fabric
on the backsides because it was significantly cheaper, and that's the
way the original cushions were done. (The original cushions were IMHO
a horrible tweed)

We also bought Sunbrella at this place which was bolt ends and
seconds, and have used it for things like hatch covers, winch covers,
dinghy motor covers etc where the fact that the waterproofing isn't as
reliable doesn't matter as much.

When we had the bimini made, it was made of Stamoid and we like it
very much although all the needle holes tend to leak, so you can't
make mistakes sewing it up. I asked whether I could have a light
colored bimini to reflect the sun and was told that I should not do
that because it would get dirty and the dark colors were cooler
anyway. I totally don't believe that dark colors are cooler, and the
Stamoid is easy to wash off.

I think the Sunbrella people tell folks that the dark colors are
better for biminis, but I read somewhere that dark colors protect
better against UV for the sail covers and the edges of the furling
headsails etc, so maybe that's what they are talking about.

"Steve" wrote in message
...
Yah! I been watching for Pacific Blue #4601 or #6001 on eBay, but I
must
have missed out on that one.. Most of the colors I have seen are those
odd
colors, like Burgundy, etc.

I'm kinda committed to the Pacific Blue because I had several yards of
it
already and I made the sleeve for the furled head sail already..

So far this price is the best I have found for what I need and the fact
that
their minimum order is low and free shipping..

For the other poster concerned about the type; this site advertises
using
the Sunbrella logo and lists all that product by the the standard color
numbers that I find on the actual Sunbrella site.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions




grandma Rosalie

Source for Sunbrella
 

It is somewhat counterintuative but I have never been able
to notice any difference in temperature under a dark bimini
vs a light color one.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
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"Doug Dotson" wrote:

Hey, hey! Our whole boat is done in Burgundy. Pacific Blue is falling
out of favor around here (know popularly as Boat Blue). Captain
Navy has been most popular color around here for the last few years,
with burgundy, tan, and green close behind.

Doug
s/v Callista

Our boat is in the color known as Black Cherry in the catalogs, which
is maroon or burgundy. That's because we have a maroon stripe. I
don't care for the tan. I like the aqua and that would be my choice
maybe if we didn't have a boat with a red type stripe. I totally hate
black because it becomes a rusty brown, and I don't like brown either.

We used regular damask (double woven) upholstery fabric which we got
from a place that was going out of business to do the cushions inside
the boat. This is not a shiny satiny fabric - it's a very tough
fabric with a double woven design in it. I see no reason to pay for
Sunbrella for that - indoor or outdoor. We used plastic like fabric
on the backsides because it was significantly cheaper, and that's the
way the original cushions were done. (The original cushions were IMHO
a horrible tweed)

We also bought Sunbrella at this place which was bolt ends and
seconds, and have used it for things like hatch covers, winch covers,
dinghy motor covers etc where the fact that the waterproofing isn't as
reliable doesn't matter as much.

When we had the bimini made, it was made of Stamoid and we like it
very much although all the needle holes tend to leak, so you can't
make mistakes sewing it up. I asked whether I could have a light
colored bimini to reflect the sun and was told that I should not do
that because it would get dirty and the dark colors were cooler
anyway. I totally don't believe that dark colors are cooler, and the
Stamoid is easy to wash off.

I think the Sunbrella people tell folks that the dark colors are
better for biminis, but I read somewhere that dark colors protect
better against UV for the sail covers and the edges of the furling
headsails etc, so maybe that's what they are talking about.

"Steve" wrote in message
...
Yah! I been watching for Pacific Blue #4601 or #6001 on eBay, but I
must
have missed out on that one.. Most of the colors I have seen are those
odd
colors, like Burgundy, etc.

I'm kinda committed to the Pacific Blue because I had several yards of
it
already and I made the sleeve for the furled head sail already..

So far this price is the best I have found for what I need and the fact
that
their minimum order is low and free shipping..

For the other poster concerned about the type; this site advertises
using
the Sunbrella logo and lists all that product by the the standard color
numbers that I find on the actual Sunbrella site.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions




grandma Rosalie

Source for Sunbrella
 

Sunbrella introduced several new "indoor-type_ fabrics at the industry trade
show called IBEX last fall. These are very rich fabrics for upholstery that
are indeed waterproof and look like expensive drapery material. Brocades,
tapestries, etc. Very handsome and virtually indestructible.
Ghoti

"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
I checked with the Goddess of Canvas and she says that there
is indeed a Sunbrella for interior use (sorry, my mistake) it is
lighter weight and no waterproofing hense the softer hand. She
isn't sure if it has the UV treatment. We don't use it much. There
are so may fabrics for upolstry available that few of our
customers choose Sunbrella.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Keith" wrote in message
...
Sunbrella does make a line for indoor use on boats. I had my pilothouse
watch berth covered with it. I guess it's got a better "feel" but not as
durable, since it's not designed for full time weather exposure.

--


Keith
__
Plan to be spontaneous tomorrow.
"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
Correct, but the upolstery grade is still intended for outdoor
use (patio furniture, etc). Not aware of any product under
the Sunbrella name that is intended primarily for indoor use.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rich Hampel" wrote in message
...
Same thing. the upholstery grade has a softer 'hand'.


In article , Doug Dotson
wrote:

Never heard of "interior" vs "exterior" Sunbrella. There are two
grades but they are more appropriately designated as "Marine"
grade vs "Upolstery" grade. The marine grade comes in wider widths
and is a bit heavier.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rich Hampel" wrote in message
...
Most "to-the-trade" wholesale fabric distributors (especially in
major
coastal cities) will have excellent prices for sunbrella. I
guess
the
same would apply to the Gr. Lakes, etc. or anyplace there is a
lot
of
boating activity. Be careful when you specify as the 'trade'
uses
two
distinct grades of Sunbrella - interior and exterior. Cash on
the
barrel head only. If you have a legit. company letterhead, etc.
they
will ship.




In article , Steve
wrote:

I have been searching for a good price on Sunbrella in
quantities
less
than
a full roll.. (it seems a full roll is the best deal but that
would
be
200
yds).

Sail Rite is good and they have always treated me well, but
their
per yd
price was more than I wanted to pay for my needs.

This week, I did another Google and came up with Outdoor
Textiles






https://outdoortextiles.securedigita...ESSID=22b3dd66

e45c32fae2766eac5ae165cb&PHPSESSID=22b3dd66e45c32f ae2766eac5ae165cb

They sell by the yard and the price break starts at +5 yards.
60"
for
5
yards is $17 and 5+ yard is $14.40. Similar prices for 46"
material..

My order was for 10 yds and there was no shipping charge.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions













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Sunbrella introduced several new "indoor-type_ fabrics at the industry trade
show called IBEX last fall. These are very rich fabrics for upholstery that
are indeed waterproof and look like expensive drapery material. Brocades,
tapestries, etc. Very handsome and virtually indestructible.
Ghoti

"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
I checked with the Goddess of Canvas and she says that there
is indeed a Sunbrella for interior use (sorry, my mistake) it is
lighter weight and no waterproofing hense the softer hand. She
isn't sure if it has the UV treatment. We don't use it much. There
are so may fabrics for upolstry available that few of our
customers choose Sunbrella.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Keith" wrote in message
...
Sunbrella does make a line for indoor use on boats. I had my pilothouse
watch berth covered with it. I guess it's got a better "feel" but not as
durable, since it's not designed for full time weather exposure.

--


Keith
__
Plan to be spontaneous tomorrow.
"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
Correct, but the upolstery grade is still intended for outdoor
use (patio furniture, etc). Not aware of any product under
the Sunbrella name that is intended primarily for indoor use.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rich Hampel" wrote in message
...
Same thing. the upholstery grade has a softer 'hand'.


In article , Doug Dotson
wrote:

Never heard of "interior" vs "exterior" Sunbrella. There are two
grades but they are more appropriately designated as "Marine"
grade vs "Upolstery" grade. The marine grade comes in wider widths
and is a bit heavier.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rich Hampel" wrote in message
...
Most "to-the-trade" wholesale fabric distributors (especially in
major
coastal cities) will have excellent prices for sunbrella. I
guess
the
same would apply to the Gr. Lakes, etc. or anyplace there is a
lot
of
boating activity. Be careful when you specify as the 'trade'
uses
two
distinct grades of Sunbrella - interior and exterior. Cash on
the
barrel head only. If you have a legit. company letterhead, etc.
they
will ship.




In article , Steve
wrote:

I have been searching for a good price on Sunbrella in
quantities
less
than
a full roll.. (it seems a full roll is the best deal but that
would
be
200
yds).

Sail Rite is good and they have always treated me well, but
their
per yd
price was more than I wanted to pay for my needs.

This week, I did another Google and came up with Outdoor
Textiles






https://outdoortextiles.securedigita...ESSID=22b3dd66

e45c32fae2766eac5ae165cb&PHPSESSID=22b3dd66e45c32f ae2766eac5ae165cb

They sell by the yard and the price break starts at +5 yards.
60"
for
5
yards is $17 and 5+ yard is $14.40. Similar prices for 46"
material..

My order was for 10 yds and there was no shipping charge.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions













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We'll have to check that out. We don;t have much call
for Sunbrella type fabrics inside. We did just do some
curtains out of the interior Sunbrella recently.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Ghoti" wrote in message
. com...
Sunbrella introduced several new "indoor-type_ fabrics at the industry
trade
show called IBEX last fall. These are very rich fabrics for upholstery
that
are indeed waterproof and look like expensive drapery material. Brocades,
tapestries, etc. Very handsome and virtually indestructible.
Ghoti

"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
I checked with the Goddess of Canvas and she says that there
is indeed a Sunbrella for interior use (sorry, my mistake) it is
lighter weight and no waterproofing hense the softer hand. She
isn't sure if it has the UV treatment. We don't use it much. There
are so may fabrics for upolstry available that few of our
customers choose Sunbrella.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Keith" wrote in message
...
Sunbrella does make a line for indoor use on boats. I had my
pilothouse
watch berth covered with it. I guess it's got a better "feel" but not
as
durable, since it's not designed for full time weather exposure.

--


Keith
__
Plan to be spontaneous tomorrow.
"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
Correct, but the upolstery grade is still intended for outdoor
use (patio furniture, etc). Not aware of any product under
the Sunbrella name that is intended primarily for indoor use.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rich Hampel" wrote in message
...
Same thing. the upholstery grade has a softer 'hand'.


In article , Doug Dotson
wrote:

Never heard of "interior" vs "exterior" Sunbrella. There are two
grades but they are more appropriately designated as "Marine"
grade vs "Upolstery" grade. The marine grade comes in wider
widths
and is a bit heavier.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rich Hampel" wrote in message
...
Most "to-the-trade" wholesale fabric distributors (especially
in
major
coastal cities) will have excellent prices for sunbrella. I
guess
the
same would apply to the Gr. Lakes, etc. or anyplace there is a
lot
of
boating activity. Be careful when you specify as the 'trade'
uses
two
distinct grades of Sunbrella - interior and exterior. Cash on
the
barrel head only. If you have a legit. company letterhead,
etc.
they
will ship.




In article , Steve
wrote:

I have been searching for a good price on Sunbrella in
quantities
less
than
a full roll.. (it seems a full roll is the best deal but
that
would
be
200
yds).

Sail Rite is good and they have always treated me well, but
their
per yd
price was more than I wanted to pay for my needs.

This week, I did another Google and came up with Outdoor
Textiles







https://outdoortextiles.securedigita...ESSID=22b3dd66

e45c32fae2766eac5ae165cb&PHPSESSID=22b3dd66e45c32f ae2766eac5ae165cb

They sell by the yard and the price break starts at +5
yards.
60"
for
5
yards is $17 and 5+ yard is $14.40. Similar prices for 46"
material..

My order was for 10 yds and there was no shipping charge.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions













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We'll have to check that out. We don;t have much call
for Sunbrella type fabrics inside. We did just do some
curtains out of the interior Sunbrella recently.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Ghoti" wrote in message
. com...
Sunbrella introduced several new "indoor-type_ fabrics at the industry
trade
show called IBEX last fall. These are very rich fabrics for upholstery
that
are indeed waterproof and look like expensive drapery material. Brocades,
tapestries, etc. Very handsome and virtually indestructible.
Ghoti

"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
I checked with the Goddess of Canvas and she says that there
is indeed a Sunbrella for interior use (sorry, my mistake) it is
lighter weight and no waterproofing hense the softer hand. She
isn't sure if it has the UV treatment. We don't use it much. There
are so may fabrics for upolstry available that few of our
customers choose Sunbrella.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Keith" wrote in message
...
Sunbrella does make a line for indoor use on boats. I had my
pilothouse
watch berth covered with it. I guess it's got a better "feel" but not
as
durable, since it's not designed for full time weather exposure.

--


Keith
__
Plan to be spontaneous tomorrow.
"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
Correct, but the upolstery grade is still intended for outdoor
use (patio furniture, etc). Not aware of any product under
the Sunbrella name that is intended primarily for indoor use.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rich Hampel" wrote in message
...
Same thing. the upholstery grade has a softer 'hand'.


In article , Doug Dotson
wrote:

Never heard of "interior" vs "exterior" Sunbrella. There are two
grades but they are more appropriately designated as "Marine"
grade vs "Upolstery" grade. The marine grade comes in wider
widths
and is a bit heavier.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rich Hampel" wrote in message
...
Most "to-the-trade" wholesale fabric distributors (especially
in
major
coastal cities) will have excellent prices for sunbrella. I
guess
the
same would apply to the Gr. Lakes, etc. or anyplace there is a
lot
of
boating activity. Be careful when you specify as the 'trade'
uses
two
distinct grades of Sunbrella - interior and exterior. Cash on
the
barrel head only. If you have a legit. company letterhead,
etc.
they
will ship.




In article , Steve
wrote:

I have been searching for a good price on Sunbrella in
quantities
less
than
a full roll.. (it seems a full roll is the best deal but
that
would
be
200
yds).

Sail Rite is good and they have always treated me well, but
their
per yd
price was more than I wanted to pay for my needs.

This week, I did another Google and came up with Outdoor
Textiles







https://outdoortextiles.securedigita...ESSID=22b3dd66

e45c32fae2766eac5ae165cb&PHPSESSID=22b3dd66e45c32f ae2766eac5ae165cb

They sell by the yard and the price break starts at +5
yards.
60"
for
5
yards is $17 and 5+ yard is $14.40. Similar prices for 46"
material..

My order was for 10 yds and there was no shipping charge.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions













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"Doug Dotson" wrote:

It is somewhat counterintuative but I have never been able
to notice any difference in temperature under a dark bimini
vs a light color one.

Well I know that a light roof on a building makes it easier to air
condition. That's an accepted and proven engineering principle and
one of the ways the people who don't have A/C make their houses
cooler. (It also makes it significantly cooler if you run water over
the roof which is a possibility for a deck, but probably not for a
bimini)

I know the deck that is darker color is hotter on bare feet and
indeed, I know to walk through an asphalt parking lot barefoot on a
hot day by walking on the white lines that delineate the parking
spaces.

I know that where the stripe is on the side of the boat, we can feel
the difference in temperature of the hull inside of the boat
underneath of the stripe vs the light colored hull lower down. People
have told me that a dark colored hull is hotter inside than a light
colored hull.

So while I don't know that you'd be able to tell the difference
without some kind of actual thermometer reading, I'm pretty sure that
there is a difference. How much it is would have to be determined by
some kind of controlled experiment which 'noticing' isn't.

The transference of principles of cooling from land to boats is also
seen when people have a sun shade over top of the deck and bimini-
similar to the cooling effect where people have a whole attic fan
which brings cooler air in on the top of the living space.

A charter captain told me that she had a light bimini because the
folks that chartered the boat wanted to see all the light they could,
especially in the winter. But that if she had her preference she'd
like to make the cockpit a cool dark hole, shaded from the sun. I
want to be shaded from the sun, I just don't need it to be dark.



"Rosalie B." wrote in message
.. .
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"Doug Dotson" wrote:

Hey, hey! Our whole boat is done in Burgundy. Pacific Blue is falling
out of favor around here (know popularly as Boat Blue). Captain
Navy has been most popular color around here for the last few years,
with burgundy, tan, and green close behind.

Doug
s/v Callista

Our boat is in the color known as Black Cherry in the catalogs, which
is maroon or burgundy. That's because we have a maroon stripe. I
don't care for the tan. I like the aqua and that would be my choice
maybe if we didn't have a boat with a red type stripe. I totally hate
black because it becomes a rusty brown, and I don't like brown either.

We used regular damask (double woven) upholstery fabric which we got
from a place that was going out of business to do the cushions inside
the boat. This is not a shiny satiny fabric - it's a very tough
fabric with a double woven design in it. I see no reason to pay for
Sunbrella for that - indoor or outdoor. We used plastic like fabric
on the backsides because it was significantly cheaper, and that's the
way the original cushions were done. (The original cushions were IMHO
a horrible tweed)

We also bought Sunbrella at this place which was bolt ends and
seconds, and have used it for things like hatch covers, winch covers,
dinghy motor covers etc where the fact that the waterproofing isn't as
reliable doesn't matter as much.

When we had the bimini made, it was made of Stamoid and we like it
very much although all the needle holes tend to leak, so you can't
make mistakes sewing it up. I asked whether I could have a light
colored bimini to reflect the sun and was told that I should not do
that because it would get dirty and the dark colors were cooler
anyway. I totally don't believe that dark colors are cooler, and the
Stamoid is easy to wash off.

I think the Sunbrella people tell folks that the dark colors are
better for biminis, but I read somewhere that dark colors protect
better against UV for the sail covers and the edges of the furling
headsails etc, so maybe that's what they are talking about.

"Steve" wrote in message
...
Yah! I been watching for Pacific Blue #4601 or #6001 on eBay, but I
must
have missed out on that one.. Most of the colors I have seen are those
odd
colors, like Burgundy, etc.

I'm kinda committed to the Pacific Blue because I had several yards of
it
already and I made the sleeve for the furled head sail already..

So far this price is the best I have found for what I need and the fact
that
their minimum order is low and free shipping..

For the other poster concerned about the type; this site advertises
using
the Sunbrella logo and lists all that product by the the standard color
numbers that I find on the actual Sunbrella site.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions




grandma Rosalie


grandma Rosalie

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"Doug Dotson" wrote:

It is somewhat counterintuative but I have never been able
to notice any difference in temperature under a dark bimini
vs a light color one.

Well I know that a light roof on a building makes it easier to air
condition. That's an accepted and proven engineering principle and
one of the ways the people who don't have A/C make their houses
cooler. (It also makes it significantly cooler if you run water over
the roof which is a possibility for a deck, but probably not for a
bimini)

I know the deck that is darker color is hotter on bare feet and
indeed, I know to walk through an asphalt parking lot barefoot on a
hot day by walking on the white lines that delineate the parking
spaces.

I know that where the stripe is on the side of the boat, we can feel
the difference in temperature of the hull inside of the boat
underneath of the stripe vs the light colored hull lower down. People
have told me that a dark colored hull is hotter inside than a light
colored hull.

So while I don't know that you'd be able to tell the difference
without some kind of actual thermometer reading, I'm pretty sure that
there is a difference. How much it is would have to be determined by
some kind of controlled experiment which 'noticing' isn't.

The transference of principles of cooling from land to boats is also
seen when people have a sun shade over top of the deck and bimini-
similar to the cooling effect where people have a whole attic fan
which brings cooler air in on the top of the living space.

A charter captain told me that she had a light bimini because the
folks that chartered the boat wanted to see all the light they could,
especially in the winter. But that if she had her preference she'd
like to make the cockpit a cool dark hole, shaded from the sun. I
want to be shaded from the sun, I just don't need it to be dark.



"Rosalie B." wrote in message
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"Doug Dotson" wrote:

Hey, hey! Our whole boat is done in Burgundy. Pacific Blue is falling
out of favor around here (know popularly as Boat Blue). Captain
Navy has been most popular color around here for the last few years,
with burgundy, tan, and green close behind.

Doug
s/v Callista

Our boat is in the color known as Black Cherry in the catalogs, which
is maroon or burgundy. That's because we have a maroon stripe. I
don't care for the tan. I like the aqua and that would be my choice
maybe if we didn't have a boat with a red type stripe. I totally hate
black because it becomes a rusty brown, and I don't like brown either.

We used regular damask (double woven) upholstery fabric which we got
from a place that was going out of business to do the cushions inside
the boat. This is not a shiny satiny fabric - it's a very tough
fabric with a double woven design in it. I see no reason to pay for
Sunbrella for that - indoor or outdoor. We used plastic like fabric
on the backsides because it was significantly cheaper, and that's the
way the original cushions were done. (The original cushions were IMHO
a horrible tweed)

We also bought Sunbrella at this place which was bolt ends and
seconds, and have used it for things like hatch covers, winch covers,
dinghy motor covers etc where the fact that the waterproofing isn't as
reliable doesn't matter as much.

When we had the bimini made, it was made of Stamoid and we like it
very much although all the needle holes tend to leak, so you can't
make mistakes sewing it up. I asked whether I could have a light
colored bimini to reflect the sun and was told that I should not do
that because it would get dirty and the dark colors were cooler
anyway. I totally don't believe that dark colors are cooler, and the
Stamoid is easy to wash off.

I think the Sunbrella people tell folks that the dark colors are
better for biminis, but I read somewhere that dark colors protect
better against UV for the sail covers and the edges of the furling
headsails etc, so maybe that's what they are talking about.

"Steve" wrote in message
...
Yah! I been watching for Pacific Blue #4601 or #6001 on eBay, but I
must
have missed out on that one.. Most of the colors I have seen are those
odd
colors, like Burgundy, etc.

I'm kinda committed to the Pacific Blue because I had several yards of
it
already and I made the sleeve for the furled head sail already..

So far this price is the best I have found for what I need and the fact
that
their minimum order is low and free shipping..

For the other poster concerned about the type; this site advertises
using
the Sunbrella logo and lists all that product by the the standard color
numbers that I find on the actual Sunbrella site.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions




grandma Rosalie


grandma Rosalie

Source for Sunbrella
 

Sorry Rosie. I stand by my emperical experience. I have been in
raftups during very hot summer days. Moving between a boat
with black canvas, burgundy (ours), boat blue, and cadet gray
(pretty light). I could not tell any difference. Not to say that there
was not any, but I couldn;t feel any.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
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"Doug Dotson" wrote:

It is somewhat counterintuative but I have never been able
to notice any difference in temperature under a dark bimini
vs a light color one.

Well I know that a light roof on a building makes it easier to air
condition. That's an accepted and proven engineering principle and
one of the ways the people who don't have A/C make their houses
cooler. (It also makes it significantly cooler if you run water over
the roof which is a possibility for a deck, but probably not for a
bimini)

I know the deck that is darker color is hotter on bare feet and
indeed, I know to walk through an asphalt parking lot barefoot on a
hot day by walking on the white lines that delineate the parking
spaces.

I know that where the stripe is on the side of the boat, we can feel
the difference in temperature of the hull inside of the boat
underneath of the stripe vs the light colored hull lower down. People
have told me that a dark colored hull is hotter inside than a light
colored hull.

So while I don't know that you'd be able to tell the difference
without some kind of actual thermometer reading, I'm pretty sure that
there is a difference. How much it is would have to be determined by
some kind of controlled experiment which 'noticing' isn't.

The transference of principles of cooling from land to boats is also
seen when people have a sun shade over top of the deck and bimini-
similar to the cooling effect where people have a whole attic fan
which brings cooler air in on the top of the living space.

A charter captain told me that she had a light bimini because the
folks that chartered the boat wanted to see all the light they could,
especially in the winter. But that if she had her preference she'd
like to make the cockpit a cool dark hole, shaded from the sun. I
want to be shaded from the sun, I just don't need it to be dark.



"Rosalie B." wrote in message
.. .
x-no-archive:yes

"Doug Dotson" wrote:

Hey, hey! Our whole boat is done in Burgundy. Pacific Blue is falling
out of favor around here (know popularly as Boat Blue). Captain
Navy has been most popular color around here for the last few years,
with burgundy, tan, and green close behind.

Doug
s/v Callista

Our boat is in the color known as Black Cherry in the catalogs, which
is maroon or burgundy. That's because we have a maroon stripe. I
don't care for the tan. I like the aqua and that would be my choice
maybe if we didn't have a boat with a red type stripe. I totally hate
black because it becomes a rusty brown, and I don't like brown either.

We used regular damask (double woven) upholstery fabric which we got
from a place that was going out of business to do the cushions inside
the boat. This is not a shiny satiny fabric - it's a very tough
fabric with a double woven design in it. I see no reason to pay for
Sunbrella for that - indoor or outdoor. We used plastic like fabric
on the backsides because it was significantly cheaper, and that's the
way the original cushions were done. (The original cushions were IMHO
a horrible tweed)

We also bought Sunbrella at this place which was bolt ends and
seconds, and have used it for things like hatch covers, winch covers,
dinghy motor covers etc where the fact that the waterproofing isn't as
reliable doesn't matter as much.

When we had the bimini made, it was made of Stamoid and we like it
very much although all the needle holes tend to leak, so you can't
make mistakes sewing it up. I asked whether I could have a light
colored bimini to reflect the sun and was told that I should not do
that because it would get dirty and the dark colors were cooler
anyway. I totally don't believe that dark colors are cooler, and the
Stamoid is easy to wash off.

I think the Sunbrella people tell folks that the dark colors are
better for biminis, but I read somewhere that dark colors protect
better against UV for the sail covers and the edges of the furling
headsails etc, so maybe that's what they are talking about.

"Steve" wrote in message
...
Yah! I been watching for Pacific Blue #4601 or #6001 on eBay, but I
must
have missed out on that one.. Most of the colors I have seen are
those
odd
colors, like Burgundy, etc.

I'm kinda committed to the Pacific Blue because I had several yards
of
it
already and I made the sleeve for the furled head sail already..

So far this price is the best I have found for what I need and the
fact
that
their minimum order is low and free shipping..

For the other poster concerned about the type; this site advertises
using
the Sunbrella logo and lists all that product by the the standard
color
numbers that I find on the actual Sunbrella site.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions




grandma Rosalie


grandma Rosalie