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I am curious about slip or mooring costs around the country. Please
reply telling the costs in your area and whether it is a slip or mooring and what that provides and if there are any other costs. Carrabelle, FL I pay $159/month for a slip at a fixed dock .5 miles from open water. I have access to power and water. No pump out facility. There are no other charges. Of course, my boat stays in the slip all year. I am certain that if I looked nearby I could find a private dock for less than $100/month but I like being right in Carrabelle. |
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I'm as a small marina (~36 slips) and they charge $5/ft/month. Water is
available but is secured during winter. Electric is optional and is $2/day or $37.50/mo. The nearest pumpout is 10 miles away and cost $2. There is a public restroom ashore but no showers. The location is about 180 miles for the Pacific ocean, however being on the Hood Canal and part of the Puget Sound of the Pacific NW. there is plenty of good sailing and more good anchorages to explore, within day or two. The next nearest marina (25miles) is 1st class, but charges $8/ft. There is public marina (Port of Shelton) that charges $3.35/ft, however I have been on the waiting list there for about 4 years and there are still 3 boat ahead of me. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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I'm as a small marina (~36 slips) and they charge $5/ft/month. Water is
available but is secured during winter. Electric is optional and is $2/day or $37.50/mo. The nearest pumpout is 10 miles away and cost $2. There is a public restroom ashore but no showers. The location is about 180 miles for the Pacific ocean, however being on the Hood Canal and part of the Puget Sound of the Pacific NW. there is plenty of good sailing and more good anchorages to explore, within day or two. The next nearest marina (25miles) is 1st class, but charges $8/ft. There is public marina (Port of Shelton) that charges $3.35/ft, however I have been on the waiting list there for about 4 years and there are still 3 boat ahead of me. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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Im in a very large marina (600+boats) about 20 miles south of the sailing
capital of Annapolis on the western shore of the Chesapeake Bay. My marina charges by the size of the slip and a 30 ft slip by 13 ft wide runs around $2,000 per year. Bigger slips are proportionately more costly. This is a full service marina with just about every type of service is available. The cost of haul out and winter storage on the hard is an additional $500 or so. The price includes the use of a small pool as well as the use of a companion marina's facilities about 10 miles away. That marina has a large pool, tennis courts, restaurants, etc. This marina is competively priced, or perhaps a bit lower than other marinas on this part of the Chesapeake. Slips costs tend to rise the nearer one gets to Annapolis. |
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Im in a very large marina (600+boats) about 20 miles south of the sailing
capital of Annapolis on the western shore of the Chesapeake Bay. My marina charges by the size of the slip and a 30 ft slip by 13 ft wide runs around $2,000 per year. Bigger slips are proportionately more costly. This is a full service marina with just about every type of service is available. The cost of haul out and winter storage on the hard is an additional $500 or so. The price includes the use of a small pool as well as the use of a companion marina's facilities about 10 miles away. That marina has a large pool, tennis courts, restaurants, etc. This marina is competively priced, or perhaps a bit lower than other marinas on this part of the Chesapeake. Slips costs tend to rise the nearer one gets to Annapolis. |
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Dick Locke wrote: On 24 Feb 2004 07:29:39 -0800, (Parallax) wrote: I am curious about slip or mooring costs around the country. Please reply telling the costs in your area and whether it is a slip or mooring and what that provides and if there are any other costs. Carrabelle, FL I pay $159/month for a slip at a fixed dock .5 miles from open water. I have access to power and water. No pump out facility. There are no other charges. Of course, my boat stays in the slip all year. I am certain that if I looked nearby I could find a private dock for less than $100/month but I like being right in Carrabelle. Other data that would help make comparisons easy....docks fixed or floating? Single or double finger slips? Fingers full length? If you are going to ask about floating docks, you need to also know about whether the tides make them necessary IMHO. Some places (Charleston) fixed docks would be crazy. Some places, it's just a nice extra to have floating docks. Having said that, about $7.00 per foot for a slip in central SF Bay. Double finger, full length, floating, free water, metered electricity, free pumpouts. Wireless internet available for $30. I paid ~$5.50 per foot in Mobile for single finger, not floating, not full length, electricity extra, free water, no pumpout station. grandma Rosalie |
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Dick Locke wrote: On 24 Feb 2004 07:29:39 -0800, (Parallax) wrote: I am curious about slip or mooring costs around the country. Please reply telling the costs in your area and whether it is a slip or mooring and what that provides and if there are any other costs. Carrabelle, FL I pay $159/month for a slip at a fixed dock .5 miles from open water. I have access to power and water. No pump out facility. There are no other charges. Of course, my boat stays in the slip all year. I am certain that if I looked nearby I could find a private dock for less than $100/month but I like being right in Carrabelle. Other data that would help make comparisons easy....docks fixed or floating? Single or double finger slips? Fingers full length? If you are going to ask about floating docks, you need to also know about whether the tides make them necessary IMHO. Some places (Charleston) fixed docks would be crazy. Some places, it's just a nice extra to have floating docks. Having said that, about $7.00 per foot for a slip in central SF Bay. Double finger, full length, floating, free water, metered electricity, free pumpouts. Wireless internet available for $30. I paid ~$5.50 per foot in Mobile for single finger, not floating, not full length, electricity extra, free water, no pumpout station. grandma Rosalie |
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We pay $105/ft for a 6-month season in Jersey City near the Holland
Tunnel. Single-finger 40-ft floating slip. We pay for 36 feet. On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:41:51 GMT, Dick Locke wrote: On 24 Feb 2004 07:29:39 -0800, (Parallax) wrote: I am curious about slip or mooring costs around the country. Please reply telling the costs in your area and whether it is a slip or mooring and what that provides and if there are any other costs. Carrabelle, FL I pay $159/month for a slip at a fixed dock .5 miles from open water. I have access to power and water. No pump out facility. There are no other charges. Of course, my boat stays in the slip all year. I am certain that if I looked nearby I could find a private dock for less than $100/month but I like being right in Carrabelle. Other data that would help make comparisons easy....docks fixed or floating? Single or double finger slips? Fingers full length? Having said that, about $7.00 per foot for a slip in central SF Bay. Double finger, full length, floating, free water, metered electricity, free pumpouts. Wireless internet available for $30. I paid ~$5.50 per foot in Mobile for single finger, not floating, not full length, electricity extra, free water, no pumpout station. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a "Never eat more in a single day than your head weighs." --Jim Harrison |
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Ouch!
I always wondered what boaters paid in and around the Big Apple. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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I always wondered what boaters paid in and around the Big Apple. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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850.00/season for double finger floating slip me: (under 20ft) Closed
20mile riverway. -j "Parallax" wrote in message om... I am curious about slip or mooring costs around the country. Please reply telling the costs in your area and whether it is a slip or mooring and what that provides and if there are any other costs. Carrabelle, FL I pay $159/month for a slip at a fixed dock .5 miles from open water. I have access to power and water. No pump out facility. There are no other charges. Of course, my boat stays in the slip all year. I am certain that if I looked nearby I could find a private dock for less than $100/month but I like being right in Carrabelle. |
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850.00/season for double finger floating slip me: (under 20ft) Closed
20mile riverway. -j "Parallax" wrote in message om... I am curious about slip or mooring costs around the country. Please reply telling the costs in your area and whether it is a slip or mooring and what that provides and if there are any other costs. Carrabelle, FL I pay $159/month for a slip at a fixed dock .5 miles from open water. I have access to power and water. No pump out facility. There are no other charges. Of course, my boat stays in the slip all year. I am certain that if I looked nearby I could find a private dock for less than $100/month but I like being right in Carrabelle. |
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On 24 Feb 2004 18:17:37 -0600, Dave wrote:
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:12:10 -0800, "Steve" said: I always wondered what boaters paid in and around the Big Apple. There are places for considerably less on City Island in the Bronx. Around $23 a foot with launch service. In Jersey City you pay a lot for quick access from the City. If I remember correctly, hauling in Jersey City runs about another $50 a foot. That is a mooring, not a slip. In any case, City Island is a long trip by public transportation. Taxis would easily eat up the difference in price, and take a lot longer than the PATH to NJ. I don't know what hauling in JC costs I take Gjo/a to Mamaroneck for haulout. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a "Never eat more in a single day than your head weighs." --Jim Harrison |
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On 24 Feb 2004 18:17:37 -0600, Dave wrote:
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:12:10 -0800, "Steve" said: I always wondered what boaters paid in and around the Big Apple. There are places for considerably less on City Island in the Bronx. Around $23 a foot with launch service. In Jersey City you pay a lot for quick access from the City. If I remember correctly, hauling in Jersey City runs about another $50 a foot. That is a mooring, not a slip. In any case, City Island is a long trip by public transportation. Taxis would easily eat up the difference in price, and take a lot longer than the PATH to NJ. I don't know what hauling in JC costs I take Gjo/a to Mamaroneck for haulout. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a "Never eat more in a single day than your head weighs." --Jim Harrison |
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(Parallax) wrote: I am curious about slip or mooring costs around the country. Please reply telling the costs in your area and whether it is a slip or mooring and what that provides and if there are any other costs. Carrabelle, FL I pay $159/month for a slip at a fixed dock .5 miles from open water. I have access to power and water. No pump out facility. There are no other charges. Of course, my boat stays in the slip all year. I am certain that if I looked nearby I could find a private dock for less than $100/month but I like being right in Carrabelle. $1900/6 month season for 30+' slip. (actually 35' or so) Single full-length fixed finger pier Screened activities area on our dock (The Chicken Coop) Nice, clean, though aging, air conditioned heads. Restaurant Beach bar with perhaps the best sunset view on the Bay. Pool Beach Various picnic areas FULL service shops & excellent parts department. (I'm told it's THE place to get engine work done.) REALLY nice folks & the number 1 draw: Zero feet to the wide open Bay. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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(Parallax) wrote: I am curious about slip or mooring costs around the country. Please reply telling the costs in your area and whether it is a slip or mooring and what that provides and if there are any other costs. Carrabelle, FL I pay $159/month for a slip at a fixed dock .5 miles from open water. I have access to power and water. No pump out facility. There are no other charges. Of course, my boat stays in the slip all year. I am certain that if I looked nearby I could find a private dock for less than $100/month but I like being right in Carrabelle. $1900/6 month season for 30+' slip. (actually 35' or so) Single full-length fixed finger pier Screened activities area on our dock (The Chicken Coop) Nice, clean, though aging, air conditioned heads. Restaurant Beach bar with perhaps the best sunset view on the Bay. Pool Beach Various picnic areas FULL service shops & excellent parts department. (I'm told it's THE place to get engine work done.) REALLY nice folks & the number 1 draw: Zero feet to the wide open Bay. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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grandma Rosalie wrote:
|We are off the Potomac River in Maryland What is the name of the marina? I am looking for a place in that area but have no local knowledge. Any enlightenment will be appreciated TIA Vic -- __________________________________________________ ______ Victor Fraenckel - The Windman vfraenc1 ATSIGN nycap DOT rr DOTcom KC2GUI Home of the WindReader Electronic Theodolite Read the WIND "Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival." - Winston [Leonard Spencer] Churchill (1874 - 1965) Dost thou not know, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed? -Count Oxenstierna (ca 1620) to the young King Gustavus Adolphus |
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grandma Rosalie wrote:
|We are off the Potomac River in Maryland What is the name of the marina? I am looking for a place in that area but have no local knowledge. Any enlightenment will be appreciated TIA Vic -- __________________________________________________ ______ Victor Fraenckel - The Windman vfraenc1 ATSIGN nycap DOT rr DOTcom KC2GUI Home of the WindReader Electronic Theodolite Read the WIND "Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival." - Winston [Leonard Spencer] Churchill (1874 - 1965) Dost thou not know, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed? -Count Oxenstierna (ca 1620) to the young King Gustavus Adolphus |
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Here are fees/membership costs at our home club...
http://www.rnsys.com/Welcome.html see both page on membership fees and separate page for facilities. Parallax wrote in message om... I am curious about slip or mooring costs around the country. Please reply telling the costs in your area and whether it is a slip or mooring and what that provides and if there are any other costs. Carrabelle, FL I pay $159/month for a slip at a fixed dock .5 miles from open water. I have access to power and water. No pump out facility. There are no other charges. Of course, my boat stays in the slip all year. I am certain that if I looked nearby I could find a private dock for less than $100/month but I like being right in Carrabelle. |
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Here are fees/membership costs at our home club...
http://www.rnsys.com/Welcome.html see both page on membership fees and separate page for facilities. Parallax wrote in message om... I am curious about slip or mooring costs around the country. Please reply telling the costs in your area and whether it is a slip or mooring and what that provides and if there are any other costs. Carrabelle, FL I pay $159/month for a slip at a fixed dock .5 miles from open water. I have access to power and water. No pump out facility. There are no other charges. Of course, my boat stays in the slip all year. I am certain that if I looked nearby I could find a private dock for less than $100/month but I like being right in Carrabelle. |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:11:30 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote: OK forgot to say - fixed docks with short finger piers but our slip has a full length dock beside it. We have only about 2 foot tides there though so a fixed dock isn't so bad. Fixed docks with a 2-foot normal tide are usually OK but I had two incidents with them...once the tide was so low the boat had grounded in the slip and I couldn't get from the dock to the deck till the tide came in. Then in Mobile, the storm surge from TS Isidore was about three feet above normal high tide causing all sorts of line adjustment problems and the docks to go under water for a few hours. |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:11:30 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote: OK forgot to say - fixed docks with short finger piers but our slip has a full length dock beside it. We have only about 2 foot tides there though so a fixed dock isn't so bad. Fixed docks with a 2-foot normal tide are usually OK but I had two incidents with them...once the tide was so low the boat had grounded in the slip and I couldn't get from the dock to the deck till the tide came in. Then in Mobile, the storm surge from TS Isidore was about three feet above normal high tide causing all sorts of line adjustment problems and the docks to go under water for a few hours. |
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Dick Locke wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:11:30 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: OK forgot to say - fixed docks with short finger piers but our slip has a full length dock beside it. We have only about 2 foot tides there though so a fixed dock isn't so bad. Fixed docks with a 2-foot normal tide are usually OK but I had two incidents with them...once the tide was so low the boat had grounded in the slip and I couldn't get from the dock to the deck till the tide came in. Well what did it hurt to wait? Or just use a gangplank. We've been on the ground in the slip (not at our home marina, but at Hilton Head in SC) and had to wait until high tide to leave because the boat wasn't floating. Then in Mobile, the storm surge from TS Isidore was about three feet above normal high tide causing all sorts of line adjustment problems and the docks to go under water for a few hours. Did you look at my picture of our boat in the dock after Isabel? http://photomail.photoworks.com/shar...s/KHX/At3xUbeV The marina pictures were at LOW tide the next day (Friday). [The first (1-4) pictures are of Bob on the roof of the porch roof sweeping the leaves and branches off. Then are some (5-9) pictures from the upstairs window of the house showing that there wasn't any damage except leaves and some branches on the ground at our house although we were without electricity for several days. We live up on a hill about 1/4 mile above the Potomac.] Low tide after Isabel off the Potomac River down near the Chesapeake Bay #10 - marina from the access road #11 - haulout slip (under water) #12 - covered slips #13 - boardwalk beside covered slips #14 - Spinnaker's restaurant #15 and #16 - high tide mark in the yard of the first house on the road next to the marina (the house is beside where #10 was taken) #17 and #18 - Gas dock and A dock #19 steps of marina office (which normally are next to the office) #20-21 our boat from the docks #22 - dinghy of next boat from beside our boat. I couldn't get on the boat because it was too high over the dock. The tidal surge went up to the top of the pilings - about 5 feet above the dock, which is normally one or two feet above the water. We had our boat tied with spring lines in the slip (as did the people that didn't go to anchor or have their boats hauled) with the lines to the pilings on the far side of the dock because we only have cleats on our side. I took the pictures from partway out the dock because Bob wanted to know how the boat fared, and he didn't want to wade out there and I didn't mind. It was difficult because the water was up to my knees and I had to get over or under all the lines from our side of the dock to the other side. When I got down there I sat on the steps next to the boat to rest. That's where the last picture was taken of the dinghy of our neighbor on top of the dock in the last picture. In any case - my point is - if you know how to secure a boat to a fixed dock (and IMHO you SHOULD know) it is perfectly possible to do so without a problem even with a high tide. All those shrimp boats in SC and GA and northern FL with 6 to 8 foot tides - most of them are at fixed docks. We are at a fixed concrete dock here in Marathon with about a 2 foot normal tide. (I think they have fixed docks here mostly because of the hurricane season.) So you should know how to have the boat safely in the slip even in an extra high or extra low tide. I think that's something that a sailor/boater should know. If you have a fixed dock and a tide that isn't too great - that's a good opportunity to practice so that if you go somewhere and they say - you can stay on the gas dock tonight (gas docks are often fixed docks), and BTW we have 6.5 foot tides and it's high tide now (and your boat is about even with the dock at that point) you have some clue as to how to proceed. It may be easier to have floating docks (although I always have to have a step stool on the dock to get off our boat if there are floating docks), but unless you never intend to go anywhere outside your own marina (and if that is so - why even have a boat), then you need to know stuff like how to tie the boat up in a variety of situations - face dock, or slip with a 4 point tie, floating dock or fixed dock, cleats or pilings. grandma Rosalie |
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Dick Locke wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:11:30 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: OK forgot to say - fixed docks with short finger piers but our slip has a full length dock beside it. We have only about 2 foot tides there though so a fixed dock isn't so bad. Fixed docks with a 2-foot normal tide are usually OK but I had two incidents with them...once the tide was so low the boat had grounded in the slip and I couldn't get from the dock to the deck till the tide came in. Well what did it hurt to wait? Or just use a gangplank. We've been on the ground in the slip (not at our home marina, but at Hilton Head in SC) and had to wait until high tide to leave because the boat wasn't floating. Then in Mobile, the storm surge from TS Isidore was about three feet above normal high tide causing all sorts of line adjustment problems and the docks to go under water for a few hours. Did you look at my picture of our boat in the dock after Isabel? http://photomail.photoworks.com/shar...s/KHX/At3xUbeV The marina pictures were at LOW tide the next day (Friday). [The first (1-4) pictures are of Bob on the roof of the porch roof sweeping the leaves and branches off. Then are some (5-9) pictures from the upstairs window of the house showing that there wasn't any damage except leaves and some branches on the ground at our house although we were without electricity for several days. We live up on a hill about 1/4 mile above the Potomac.] Low tide after Isabel off the Potomac River down near the Chesapeake Bay #10 - marina from the access road #11 - haulout slip (under water) #12 - covered slips #13 - boardwalk beside covered slips #14 - Spinnaker's restaurant #15 and #16 - high tide mark in the yard of the first house on the road next to the marina (the house is beside where #10 was taken) #17 and #18 - Gas dock and A dock #19 steps of marina office (which normally are next to the office) #20-21 our boat from the docks #22 - dinghy of next boat from beside our boat. I couldn't get on the boat because it was too high over the dock. The tidal surge went up to the top of the pilings - about 5 feet above the dock, which is normally one or two feet above the water. We had our boat tied with spring lines in the slip (as did the people that didn't go to anchor or have their boats hauled) with the lines to the pilings on the far side of the dock because we only have cleats on our side. I took the pictures from partway out the dock because Bob wanted to know how the boat fared, and he didn't want to wade out there and I didn't mind. It was difficult because the water was up to my knees and I had to get over or under all the lines from our side of the dock to the other side. When I got down there I sat on the steps next to the boat to rest. That's where the last picture was taken of the dinghy of our neighbor on top of the dock in the last picture. In any case - my point is - if you know how to secure a boat to a fixed dock (and IMHO you SHOULD know) it is perfectly possible to do so without a problem even with a high tide. All those shrimp boats in SC and GA and northern FL with 6 to 8 foot tides - most of them are at fixed docks. We are at a fixed concrete dock here in Marathon with about a 2 foot normal tide. (I think they have fixed docks here mostly because of the hurricane season.) So you should know how to have the boat safely in the slip even in an extra high or extra low tide. I think that's something that a sailor/boater should know. If you have a fixed dock and a tide that isn't too great - that's a good opportunity to practice so that if you go somewhere and they say - you can stay on the gas dock tonight (gas docks are often fixed docks), and BTW we have 6.5 foot tides and it's high tide now (and your boat is about even with the dock at that point) you have some clue as to how to proceed. It may be easier to have floating docks (although I always have to have a step stool on the dock to get off our boat if there are floating docks), but unless you never intend to go anywhere outside your own marina (and if that is so - why even have a boat), then you need to know stuff like how to tie the boat up in a variety of situations - face dock, or slip with a 4 point tie, floating dock or fixed dock, cleats or pilings. grandma Rosalie |
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Rosalie,
I think this is a good subject to explore in more detail. Our boat is in a marina with floating docks, so this is something we've never had to deal with. How _do_ you tie up to a fixed dock with an extreme tidal range? Don W. In any case - my point is - if you know how to secure a boat to a fixed dock (and IMHO you SHOULD know) it is perfectly possible to do so without a problem even with a high tide. All those shrimp boats in SC and GA and northern FL with 6 to 8 foot tides - most of them are at fixed docks. We are at a fixed concrete dock here in Marathon with about a 2 foot normal tide. (I think they have fixed docks here mostly because of the hurricane season.) So you should know how to have the boat safely in the slip even in an extra high or extra low tide. I think that's something that a sailor/boater should know. If you have a fixed dock and a tide that isn't too great - that's a good opportunity to practice so that if you go somewhere and they say - you can stay on the gas dock tonight (gas docks are often fixed docks), and BTW we have 6.5 foot tides and it's high tide now (and your boat is about even with the dock at that point) you have some clue as to how to proceed. It may be easier to have floating docks (although I always have to have a step stool on the dock to get off our boat if there are floating docks), but unless you never intend to go anywhere outside your own marina (and if that is so - why even have a boat), then you need to know stuff like how to tie the boat up in a variety of situations - face dock, or slip with a 4 point tie, floating dock or fixed dock, cleats or pilings. grandma Rosalie |
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Rosalie,
I think this is a good subject to explore in more detail. Our boat is in a marina with floating docks, so this is something we've never had to deal with. How _do_ you tie up to a fixed dock with an extreme tidal range? Don W. In any case - my point is - if you know how to secure a boat to a fixed dock (and IMHO you SHOULD know) it is perfectly possible to do so without a problem even with a high tide. All those shrimp boats in SC and GA and northern FL with 6 to 8 foot tides - most of them are at fixed docks. We are at a fixed concrete dock here in Marathon with about a 2 foot normal tide. (I think they have fixed docks here mostly because of the hurricane season.) So you should know how to have the boat safely in the slip even in an extra high or extra low tide. I think that's something that a sailor/boater should know. If you have a fixed dock and a tide that isn't too great - that's a good opportunity to practice so that if you go somewhere and they say - you can stay on the gas dock tonight (gas docks are often fixed docks), and BTW we have 6.5 foot tides and it's high tide now (and your boat is about even with the dock at that point) you have some clue as to how to proceed. It may be easier to have floating docks (although I always have to have a step stool on the dock to get off our boat if there are floating docks), but unless you never intend to go anywhere outside your own marina (and if that is so - why even have a boat), then you need to know stuff like how to tie the boat up in a variety of situations - face dock, or slip with a 4 point tie, floating dock or fixed dock, cleats or pilings. grandma Rosalie |
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Don W wrote: Rosalie, I think this is a good subject to explore in more detail. Our boat is in a marina with floating docks, so this is something we've never had to deal with. How _do_ you tie up to a fixed dock with an extreme tidal range? Don W. Two words - SPRING LINES Bob does this automatically and I'm not usually involved so I don't know the exact geometry, but every time we do this we use spring lines. I'm sure someone else can explain. In any case - my point is - if you know how to secure a boat to a fixed dock (and IMHO you SHOULD know) it is perfectly possible to do so without a problem even with a high tide. All those shrimp boats in SC and GA and northern FL with 6 to 8 foot tides - most of them are at fixed docks. We are at a fixed concrete dock here in Marathon with about a 2 foot normal tide. (I think they have fixed docks here mostly because of the hurricane season.) So you should know how to have the boat safely in the slip even in an extra high or extra low tide. I think that's something that a sailor/boater should know. If you have a fixed dock and a tide that isn't too great - that's a good opportunity to practice so that if you go somewhere and they say - you can stay on the gas dock tonight (gas docks are often fixed docks), and BTW we have 6.5 foot tides and it's high tide now (and your boat is about even with the dock at that point) you have some clue as to how to proceed. It may be easier to have floating docks (although I always have to have a step stool on the dock to get off our boat if there are floating docks), but unless you never intend to go anywhere outside your own marina (and if that is so - why even have a boat), then you need to know stuff like how to tie the boat up in a variety of situations - face dock, or slip with a 4 point tie, floating dock or fixed dock, cleats or pilings. grandma Rosalie grandma Rosalie |
Fixed docks was slip or mooring costs
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Don W wrote: Rosalie, I think this is a good subject to explore in more detail. Our boat is in a marina with floating docks, so this is something we've never had to deal with. How _do_ you tie up to a fixed dock with an extreme tidal range? Don W. Two words - SPRING LINES Bob does this automatically and I'm not usually involved so I don't know the exact geometry, but every time we do this we use spring lines. I'm sure someone else can explain. In any case - my point is - if you know how to secure a boat to a fixed dock (and IMHO you SHOULD know) it is perfectly possible to do so without a problem even with a high tide. All those shrimp boats in SC and GA and northern FL with 6 to 8 foot tides - most of them are at fixed docks. We are at a fixed concrete dock here in Marathon with about a 2 foot normal tide. (I think they have fixed docks here mostly because of the hurricane season.) So you should know how to have the boat safely in the slip even in an extra high or extra low tide. I think that's something that a sailor/boater should know. If you have a fixed dock and a tide that isn't too great - that's a good opportunity to practice so that if you go somewhere and they say - you can stay on the gas dock tonight (gas docks are often fixed docks), and BTW we have 6.5 foot tides and it's high tide now (and your boat is about even with the dock at that point) you have some clue as to how to proceed. It may be easier to have floating docks (although I always have to have a step stool on the dock to get off our boat if there are floating docks), but unless you never intend to go anywhere outside your own marina (and if that is so - why even have a boat), then you need to know stuff like how to tie the boat up in a variety of situations - face dock, or slip with a 4 point tie, floating dock or fixed dock, cleats or pilings. grandma Rosalie grandma Rosalie |
Fixed docks was slip or mooring costs
Don W wrote in message gy.com... Rosalie, I think this is a good subject to explore in more detail. Our boat is in a marina with floating docks, so this is something we've never had to deal with. How _do_ you tie up to a fixed dock with an extreme tidal range? There are several quaysides with an 8 metre (25 ft?) tidal range around French Brittany and the British Channel islands. Moor alongside a ladder! Use that with a temporary spring line while you sort out your ropes. Otherwise have a ladder aboard, or learn to fly, or trust the guys ashore to tie good knots. Use bow and stern ropes plus fore and aft springs. Tie off at the quay, and make any adjustments at the boat end of the warp. Make sure the boat end can be adjusted when it's under strain. Each rope should be at least twice as long as the range of tide. From top to bottom tide the rope then has to accommodate 10% of stretch. Do this by allowing 10% slack at high tide, or by using nylon rope with 2 or 3% slack. Have a griping board between the vessel and quay, and rig light lines to ensure the slack in your mooring lines doesn't lift your fenders or the griping board as the tide falls. JimB Yacht Rapaz, sadly for sale, to help pay for that lovely Greek seaside house we've just bought. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jim.bae...cification.htm jim(dot)baerselman(at)ntlworld(dot)com |
Fixed docks was slip or mooring costs
Don W wrote in message gy.com... Rosalie, I think this is a good subject to explore in more detail. Our boat is in a marina with floating docks, so this is something we've never had to deal with. How _do_ you tie up to a fixed dock with an extreme tidal range? There are several quaysides with an 8 metre (25 ft?) tidal range around French Brittany and the British Channel islands. Moor alongside a ladder! Use that with a temporary spring line while you sort out your ropes. Otherwise have a ladder aboard, or learn to fly, or trust the guys ashore to tie good knots. Use bow and stern ropes plus fore and aft springs. Tie off at the quay, and make any adjustments at the boat end of the warp. Make sure the boat end can be adjusted when it's under strain. Each rope should be at least twice as long as the range of tide. From top to bottom tide the rope then has to accommodate 10% of stretch. Do this by allowing 10% slack at high tide, or by using nylon rope with 2 or 3% slack. Have a griping board between the vessel and quay, and rig light lines to ensure the slack in your mooring lines doesn't lift your fenders or the griping board as the tide falls. JimB Yacht Rapaz, sadly for sale, to help pay for that lovely Greek seaside house we've just bought. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jim.bae...cification.htm jim(dot)baerselman(at)ntlworld(dot)com |
Fixed docks was slip or mooring costs
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"JimB" wrote: Don W wrote in message igy.com... Rosalie, I think this is a good subject to explore in more detail. Our boat is in a marina with floating docks, so this is something we've never had to deal with. How _do_ you tie up to a fixed dock with an extreme tidal range? There are several quaysides with an 8 metre (25 ft?) tidal range around French Brittany and the British Channel islands. Moor alongside a ladder! Use that with a temporary spring line while you sort out your ropes. Otherwise have a ladder aboard, or learn to fly, or trust the guys ashore to tie good knots. Use bow and stern ropes plus fore and aft springs. Tie off at the quay, and make any adjustments at the boat end of the warp. Make sure the boat end can be adjusted when it's under strain. Each rope should be at least twice as long as the range of tide. From top to bottom tide the rope then has to accommodate 10% of stretch. Do this by allowing 10% slack at high tide, or by using nylon rope with 2 or 3% slack. Have a griping board between the vessel and quay, and rig light lines to ensure the slack in your mooring lines doesn't lift your fenders or the griping board as the tide falls. JimB Yacht Rapaz, sadly for sale, to help pay for that lovely Greek seaside house we've just bought. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jim.bae...cification.htm jim(dot)baerselman(at)ntlworld(dot)com Thanks Jim - I knew someone would be able to explain this better than I could. What is a griping board in American English? When we are moving from marina to marina on a daily basis, we have been told by a dock person that we should give the dock person the looped end of the line so that they could just drop it over the cleat or piling and wouldn't have to tie it off. But coming into an unknown (or even a known) transient slip, Bob usually has lines rigged on all four corners and in the middle (with additional lines on the pin rail and accessible - I can NOT understand these people who come into a slip and after they get INTO the slip, they go diving into lockers after the lines like they've never tied up in a slip before and didn't realize that they'd need lines), and usually he puts the loop end on a cleat in the boat and gives the free (bitter?) end to the dock person. That's so that we know the line is attached to something on the boat, and that the boat person handling the lines (me) won't have to let go of the line due to excess pressure from wind and/or current. So it's 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other. In any case, when we get more or less secured to the dock, Bob adjusts the lines so that they loop around the pilings and return to the boat so we have control of both ends of the line. That way, we can cast off again without getting off the boat to untie the line, plus the lines can be adjusted from the boat if necessary. In the case of cleats on the dock (which is often the case with floating docks), just before we leave, Bob loops the line off the cleat and gives me both ends so that when we are ready to go I can (hopefully) flip it off the cleat. At our home slip, we have the loop end on the dock, and chafe protection on the line where it goes through the chock or whatever so that I know where to cleat it off in the boat. In our home slip, with only about 2 feet of tide, we normally have at least 10 lines rigged. 2 on the bow 2 bow spring lines to amidships 2 stern lines 2 stern spring lines to amidships 2 breast lines and then we may add additional longer spring lines. When we cast off, we loop the lines on the pilings or throw them onto the dock in an order that depends on where the wind is coming from (usually some of the lines will be slack so we release them first). At a transient slip, Bob watches the current after we come in (have learned this the hard way) and depending on the tide state, he projects which way the current will be going when we will be leaving. If there is a LOT of current (like for instance the Ft. Pierce municipal marina) we will AFAP leave at slack tide. Sometimes we have to wait and leave at high tide anyway (like Hilton Head) in order to get out of the marina. Then depending on which lines have the most strain and other factors (like is there a shoal right in front of us so we have to back up and turn before we can head out), he fixes the lines so that I can cast them off (I'm not very good at flipping lines) - and he has now learned to give me explicit instructions about everything that is supposed to happen before I leave the cockpit as he cannot assume that I will know what he intends and both of us are a bit deaf so yelling instructions over the engine is NOT a viable option - and then we do whatever he has programmed and cast off. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ |
Fixed docks was slip or mooring costs
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"JimB" wrote: Don W wrote in message igy.com... Rosalie, I think this is a good subject to explore in more detail. Our boat is in a marina with floating docks, so this is something we've never had to deal with. How _do_ you tie up to a fixed dock with an extreme tidal range? There are several quaysides with an 8 metre (25 ft?) tidal range around French Brittany and the British Channel islands. Moor alongside a ladder! Use that with a temporary spring line while you sort out your ropes. Otherwise have a ladder aboard, or learn to fly, or trust the guys ashore to tie good knots. Use bow and stern ropes plus fore and aft springs. Tie off at the quay, and make any adjustments at the boat end of the warp. Make sure the boat end can be adjusted when it's under strain. Each rope should be at least twice as long as the range of tide. From top to bottom tide the rope then has to accommodate 10% of stretch. Do this by allowing 10% slack at high tide, or by using nylon rope with 2 or 3% slack. Have a griping board between the vessel and quay, and rig light lines to ensure the slack in your mooring lines doesn't lift your fenders or the griping board as the tide falls. JimB Yacht Rapaz, sadly for sale, to help pay for that lovely Greek seaside house we've just bought. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jim.bae...cification.htm jim(dot)baerselman(at)ntlworld(dot)com Thanks Jim - I knew someone would be able to explain this better than I could. What is a griping board in American English? When we are moving from marina to marina on a daily basis, we have been told by a dock person that we should give the dock person the looped end of the line so that they could just drop it over the cleat or piling and wouldn't have to tie it off. But coming into an unknown (or even a known) transient slip, Bob usually has lines rigged on all four corners and in the middle (with additional lines on the pin rail and accessible - I can NOT understand these people who come into a slip and after they get INTO the slip, they go diving into lockers after the lines like they've never tied up in a slip before and didn't realize that they'd need lines), and usually he puts the loop end on a cleat in the boat and gives the free (bitter?) end to the dock person. That's so that we know the line is attached to something on the boat, and that the boat person handling the lines (me) won't have to let go of the line due to excess pressure from wind and/or current. So it's 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other. In any case, when we get more or less secured to the dock, Bob adjusts the lines so that they loop around the pilings and return to the boat so we have control of both ends of the line. That way, we can cast off again without getting off the boat to untie the line, plus the lines can be adjusted from the boat if necessary. In the case of cleats on the dock (which is often the case with floating docks), just before we leave, Bob loops the line off the cleat and gives me both ends so that when we are ready to go I can (hopefully) flip it off the cleat. At our home slip, we have the loop end on the dock, and chafe protection on the line where it goes through the chock or whatever so that I know where to cleat it off in the boat. In our home slip, with only about 2 feet of tide, we normally have at least 10 lines rigged. 2 on the bow 2 bow spring lines to amidships 2 stern lines 2 stern spring lines to amidships 2 breast lines and then we may add additional longer spring lines. When we cast off, we loop the lines on the pilings or throw them onto the dock in an order that depends on where the wind is coming from (usually some of the lines will be slack so we release them first). At a transient slip, Bob watches the current after we come in (have learned this the hard way) and depending on the tide state, he projects which way the current will be going when we will be leaving. If there is a LOT of current (like for instance the Ft. Pierce municipal marina) we will AFAP leave at slack tide. Sometimes we have to wait and leave at high tide anyway (like Hilton Head) in order to get out of the marina. Then depending on which lines have the most strain and other factors (like is there a shoal right in front of us so we have to back up and turn before we can head out), he fixes the lines so that I can cast them off (I'm not very good at flipping lines) - and he has now learned to give me explicit instructions about everything that is supposed to happen before I leave the cockpit as he cannot assume that I will know what he intends and both of us are a bit deaf so yelling instructions over the engine is NOT a viable option - and then we do whatever he has programmed and cast off. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ |
Fixed docks was slip or mooring costs
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