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Rich:
As a sailor you are more free than most to leave the good ol' US of A. Just be careful the country to which you flee. I took the time to look up the tax rates around the world. On www.worldwide-tax.com/ I found that of 59 countries represented, 35 had income tax rates the same or higher than in the US. Some were as high as 59% (Denmark). Another 45 countries had a VAT (value added tax - i.e. sales tax) higher than the 0 - 10.25 US VAT charged in the US (set variously by local and state governments), some as high as 25% (Brazil, Denmark, Sweden). The countries with the lowest income taxes most often had the highest VAT's (you can pay me now or pay me later). When you go, your best choices: Bulgaria (10% income but 20% VAT), Czech. Republic (15% income but 19% VAT), Monaco (0% but 19.6 VAT - good marinas to slip your boat but costly), Montenegro (15% income but 17% VAT), Romania (16% income but 19% VAT), Russia (13% income but 18% VAT), Saudi Arabia (20% income and 0% VAT - a winner if you can stand the heat), Serbia (10/14% income but 18% VAT), Singapore (3.75 - 21% income and 5% VAT - don't litter), Slovakia (19% income but 19% VAT) and finally, the ever popular Ukraine (15% income but 20% VAT). So many choices . . . so little time until next November. Drop me a postcard from when you wind up. Gregg Dennhardt yes well, if you've been listening carefully to the current 'three stooges' running for US president .... and if all the healthcare BS is included. If you look to the fact the current US healthcare is running 16-18% of GNP, and if the 3 stooges get their way .... the average 'middle class' taxpayer @ 28% averaged income tax bite will soon be 'enjoying' 28% + 16% = 44% in income taxes. So we'll all need a bigger wheelbarrow .... just to pay the damn income taxes. Im looking to flee to another country. My ancestors came to the US looking for economic, etc. freedom. I don't think they'd consider the US if they were immigrating today. |
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:34:18 -0700, DoctorD wrote:
tax-whining snipped wonder why your roads are pot-holed, your buses/subways old and broken, your hospitals un-maintained, your sewage treatment plants obsolete, your children's schools a disgrace... keep whining about the taxes bub...just so long as _you're_ alright eh Jack? |
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:34:18 -0700 (PDT), DoctorD
wrote: Rich: As a sailor you are more free than most to leave the good ol' US of A. Just be careful the country to which you flee. I took the time to look up the tax rates around the world. On www.worldwide-tax.com/ I found that of 59 countries represented, 35 had income tax rates the same or higher than in the US. Some were as high as 59% (Denmark). Another 45 countries had a VAT (value added tax - i.e. sales tax) higher than the 0 - 10.25 US VAT charged in the US (set variously by local and state governments), some as high as 25% (Brazil, Denmark, Sweden). The countries with the lowest income taxes most often had the highest VAT's (you can pay me now or pay me later). When you go, your best choices: Bulgaria (10% income but 20% VAT), Czech. Republic (15% income but 19% VAT), Monaco (0% but 19.6 VAT - good marinas to slip your boat but costly), Montenegro (15% income but 17% VAT), Romania (16% income but 19% VAT), Russia (13% income but 18% VAT), Saudi Arabia (20% income and 0% VAT - a winner if you can stand the heat), Serbia (10/14% income but 18% VAT), Singapore (3.75 - 21% income and 5% VAT - don't litter), Slovakia (19% income but 19% VAT) and finally, the ever popular Ukraine (15% income but 20% VAT). So many choices . . . so little time until next November. Drop me a postcard from when you wind up. Gregg Dennhardt yes well, if you've been listening carefully to the current 'three stooges' running for US president .... and if all the healthcare BS is included. If you look to the fact the current US healthcare is running 16-18% of GNP, and if the 3 stooges get their way .... the average 'middle class' taxpayer @ 28% averaged income tax bite will soon be 'enjoying' 28% + 16% = 44% in income taxes. So we'll all need a bigger wheelbarrow .... just to pay the damn income taxes. Im looking to flee to another country. My ancestors came to the US looking for economic, etc. freedom. I don't think they'd consider the US if they were immigrating today. I can't speak for the E.U. countries but in Singapore you pay no income tax on monies earned outside the country and no capital gains tax, however GST (sales ) tax is now 7% Thailand, effectively no tax unless you work in the country.. Malaysia - ditto. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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mister b wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:34:18 -0700, DoctorD wrote: tax-whining snipped wonder why your roads are pot-holed, your buses/subways old and broken, your hospitals un-maintained, your sewage treatment plants obsolete, your children's schools a disgrace... keep whining about the taxes bub...just so long as _you're_ alright eh Jack? Yeah, no need to whine about taxes. See the democratic plan is to raise *someone else's* taxes and have *someone else* pay to repair the roads, buses, etc! All you have to do is become a democrat and you can claim morally superior compassion for the poor, etc without contributing one thin dime of your own money to the effort! Stephen |
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DoctorD wrote in news:52c235b1-dc44-401d-b50a- : 0 - 10.25 US VAT charged in the US Your concept of VAT needs training. In the US, the sales tax is only piled upon the consumer at the END of the food chain, just once. VAT is piled upon EVERY link in the money exchange chain from the mine to the consumer, multiplying its real percentage into the price the consumer pays many times over. VAT is the tax that KEEPS ON GIVING. Back when our taxes were nearly nil is when the United States became the rich envy of the world. This is no longer the case..... Larry, you're missing the diamond in the pig slop here. The main problem with your intense focus on the ills of the US is that it completely ignores the worse conditions elsewhere. Like a magnifying glass, what you focus on looks enormous and you can't see elsewhere. If you aimed that same focus anywhere else you would see ten times the conspiracies elsewhere and the US would look like a safe haven in comparison. Stephen |
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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message ... mister b wrote: On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:34:18 -0700, DoctorD wrote: tax-whining snipped wonder why your roads are pot-holed, your buses/subways old and broken, your hospitals un-maintained, your sewage treatment plants obsolete, your children's schools a disgrace... keep whining about the taxes bub...just so long as _you're_ alright eh Jack? Yeah, no need to whine about taxes. See the democratic plan is to raise *someone else's* taxes and have *someone else* pay to repair the roads, buses, etc! All you have to do is become a democrat and you can claim morally superior compassion for the poor, etc without contributing one thin dime of your own money to the effort! Stephen Nonsense! Everybody knows any good Democrat is too busy using his money to support poor, destitute, 5,000 dollar-an-hour call girls. Morals are for everybody else. Democrats, by definition, have no moral compass thus they cannot be criticized for immoral acts. -- Gregory Hall |
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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:34:18 -0700 (PDT), DoctorD wrote: Rich: As a sailor you are more free than most to leave the good ol' US of A. Just be careful the country to which you flee. I took the time to look up the tax rates around the world. On www.worldwide-tax.com/ I found that of 59 countries represented, 35 had income tax rates the same or higher than in the US. Some were as high as 59% (Denmark). Another 45 countries had a VAT (value added tax - i.e. sales tax) higher than the 0 - 10.25 US VAT charged in the US (set variously by local and state governments), some as high as 25% (Brazil, Denmark, Sweden). The countries with the lowest income taxes most often had the highest VAT's (you can pay me now or pay me later). When you go, your best choices: Bulgaria (10% income but 20% VAT), Czech. Republic (15% income but 19% VAT), Monaco (0% but 19.6 VAT - good marinas to slip your boat but costly), Montenegro (15% income but 17% VAT), Romania (16% income but 19% VAT), Russia (13% income but 18% VAT), Saudi Arabia (20% income and 0% VAT - a winner if you can stand the heat), Serbia (10/14% income but 18% VAT), Singapore (3.75 - 21% income and 5% VAT - don't litter), Slovakia (19% income but 19% VAT) and finally, the ever popular Ukraine (15% income but 20% VAT). So many choices . . . so little time until next November. Drop me a postcard from when you wind up. Gregg Dennhardt yes well, if you've been listening carefully to the current 'three stooges' running for US president .... and if all the healthcare BS is included. If you look to the fact the current US healthcare is running 16-18% of GNP, and if the 3 stooges get their way .... the average 'middle class' taxpayer @ 28% averaged income tax bite will soon be 'enjoying' 28% + 16% = 44% in income taxes. So we'll all need a bigger wheelbarrow .... just to pay the damn income taxes. Im looking to flee to another country. My ancestors came to the US looking for economic, etc. freedom. I don't think they'd consider the US if they were immigrating today. I can't speak for the E.U. countries but in Singapore you pay no income tax on monies earned outside the country and no capital gains tax, however GST (sales ) tax is now 7% Thailand, effectively no tax unless you work in the country.. Malaysia - ditto. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) "Thailand, effectively no tax unless you work in the country.." And the most beautiful women on earth! How will I work, I will be too tired. |
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:06:59 -0400, Gregory Hall wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message ... mister b wrote: On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:34:18 -0700, DoctorD wrote: tax-whining snipped wonder why your roads are pot-holed, your buses/subways old and broken, your hospitals un-maintained, your sewage treatment plants obsolete, your children's schools a disgrace... keep whining about the taxes bub...just so long as _you're_ alright eh Jack? Yeah, no need to whine about taxes. See the democratic plan is to raise *someone else's* taxes and have *someone else* pay to repair the roads, buses, etc! All you have to do is become a democrat and you can claim morally superior compassion for the poor, etc without contributing one thin dime of your own money to the effort! Stephen Nonsense! Everybody knows any good Democrat is too busy using his money to support poor, destitute, 5,000 dollar-an-hour call girls. Morals are for everybody else. Democrats, by definition, have no moral compass thus they cannot be criticized for immoral acts. Of course it's all the Democrat's fault...for the last 7.5 years they have nearly ruined the US with their tax and spend madness...My god this government has been ****ing away a billion tax dollars a week trying to bring democracy to Iraq...what? they haven't been in power? oh...well apparently it's all their goddamn fault anyway..the *******s! all of them..every last one of them has been out partying with $5000 hookers....even the children of democrats have been too! they're evil from the moment they're conceived by their godless, anti-American, taliban-loving Democrat ******* parents... gentleman...while out on your boats, take some time to do a little fishing...in fact a lot of fishing...start eating lots of fish...it's supposed to be good for growing brain cells...because you two...damn poke a stick into a dark place and look what pops out...a couple of...what is the plural of dufus anyway? |
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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
... mister b wrote: On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:34:18 -0700, DoctorD wrote: tax-whining snipped wonder why your roads are pot-holed, your buses/subways old and broken, your hospitals un-maintained, your sewage treatment plants obsolete, your children's schools a disgrace... keep whining about the taxes bub...just so long as _you're_ alright eh Jack? Yeah, no need to whine about taxes. See the democratic plan is to raise *someone else's* taxes and have *someone else* pay to repair the roads, buses, etc! All you have to do is become a democrat and you can claim morally superior compassion for the poor, etc without contributing one thin dime of your own money to the effort! Stephen Way off topic, but I suppose you think that $3-6 trillion spent on a war of choice is preferrable to health care for all Americans... I know where I'd rather see my money going, and it isn't to Saudia Arabia. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:34:18 -0700 (PDT), DoctorD said: When you go, your best choices: Where did Estonia and Ireland place in your compilation? If you're a published author, I believe there are no income taxes in Ireland. Or, something like that... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On 14 Mar., 14:34, DoctorD wrote:
Rich: On www.worldwide-tax.com/ I found that of 59 countries represented, 35 had income tax rates the same or higher than in the US. Some were as high as 59% (Denmark). Are you aware that the danes are also the most happy people in the world ? For "confirmation" check this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5224306.stm This suggests the conclusion: The higher tax - the happier people. Off course it is not as simple as that - and yes we all want more money to ourselves - but allthough this might seem crazy to some, the point is, that tax is not nesisarily wasted money, but it makes it possible for the government (if it is not to corrupt) to create a society worth living in. george |
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... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:49:25 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Dave" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:34:18 -0700 (PDT), DoctorD said: When you go, your best choices: Where did Estonia and Ireland place in your compilation? If you're a published author, I believe there are no income taxes in Ireland. Or, something like that... I thought it was "no income" in Ireland. I believe the economy there is doing pretty well.. least it was recently. I have a couple of friends there and they seem to be doing well. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... On 14 Mar., 14:34, DoctorD wrote: Rich: On www.worldwide-tax.com/ I found that of 59 countries represented, 35 had income tax rates the same or higher than in the US. Some were as high as 59% (Denmark). Are you aware that the danes are also the most happy people in the world ? For "confirmation" check this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5224306.stm This suggests the conclusion: The higher tax - the happier people. Off course it is not as simple as that - and yes we all want more money to ourselves - but allthough this might seem crazy to some, the point is, that tax is not nesisarily wasted money, but it makes it possible for the government (if it is not to corrupt) to create a society worth living in. george From what I've read, it's more about low expectations rather than a "society worth living in" in combination with a responsible society. Not to discount the latter of course.... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Way off topic, but I suppose you think that $3-6 trillion spent on a war of choice is preferrable to health care for all Americans... I know where I'd rather see my money going, and it isn't to Saudia Arabia. Do not fret! It is going to cost trillions for the long term health care of all the veterans! It's a win-win! The only thing left is to draft all Americans - universal health care! Bush and the associated Congress is one of the most reckless of all time. It's time America started having national strikes, where everyone stops working for a few days at a time in unison. Maybe then the ruling class will start to get a hint. Phil |
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"j" ganz wrote:
From what I've read, it's more about low expectations rather than a "society worth living in" in combination with a responsible society. Not to discount the latter of course.... I suppose that, the fact that people have realistic expectations, are part of beeing a good society. Don't you ? |
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@newsfe02.lga: If you aimed that same focus anywhere else you would see ten times the conspiracies elsewhere and the US would look like a safe haven in comparison. The "New World Order" is global in scope. Other nations are already in the process of being assimilated, such as the EU. The NAU will assimilate us into a 3-country conglomeration of mindless peoples. If you haven't been to the USA in the last 3 years, you need to come see it! Charleston, SC, hardly a border town along the Rio Grande is SIMPLY OVERRUN with Mexicans, Mexican Indians, Central Americans who came in with the Mexicans across our porous border to the South. Whole business that cater to the illegal aliens have sprung up. Most places speak Spanish, now, just like Radio Shacks. The country has been quite successfully invaded from the South and the results are BREEDING LIKE FLIES ON A **** PILE! Every illegal Mexican woman is following her Catholic instructions by staying pregnant continuously! Some are pushing 4 babies around, simultaneously! These, of course, are BORN IN THE USA, of illegal stock. I'm sure this breeding program is supported by many politicians who hope to "cash in" at the polls on election day as soon as the babies are 18, natural citizens of voting age. The indoctrination of them has already begun! The new, diluted population of the USA will do what it's told when the 3 countries are melded into the North American Union. South America, Africa and Asia are next. Once the regional mixing is complete, a generation or two away, they will be, again, melded into the World Government with the NWO elites at the top of the pyramid and the all seeing eye will have completed the world's transition to world control. This is no fantasy. It's all around us! |
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Dave wrote in
: On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:30:53 +0000, Larry said: VAT is piled upon EVERY link in the money exchange chain from the mine to the consumer, multiplying its real percentage into the price the consumer pays many times over. So, Larry, you think that if the VAT rate is 20%, and I buy parts for $.80 and resell the assembled product for $1.00, I'm going to have to collect and pay over to the guvmint $.20 in VAT? Rolled into the price outside the USA. Every point on the chain from when they dig it out of the ground where money changes hands, VAT is added and rolled into the price when it goes up the chain..... It's not just Sales Tax we pay here.... |
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... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:48:04 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: I suppose you think that $3-6 trillion spent on a war of choice is preferrable to health care for all Americans... I know where I'd rather see my money going, and it isn't to Saudia Arabia. This is an argument we see over and over ad nauseam--the guvmint should spend money on the program I want because that's better than spending it on X. The technique relieves that proponent of having to justify on its own the program he wants, or to consider the possibility that perhaps we'd be happier if the guvmint didn't spend the money on either program, and didn't take the money out of our pockets in the first place. I don't think there's much in the way of argument about which is better to spend money doing. Unless of course you think war is preferrable to healthy citizens. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... "j" ganz wrote: From what I've read, it's more about low expectations rather than a "society worth living in" in combination with a responsible society. Not to discount the latter of course.... I suppose that, the fact that people have realistic expectations, are part of beeing a good society. Don't you ? Not sure... I suppose, since that's what seems to be the case. I prefer to have unrealistic expectations. LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:48:04 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: I suppose you think that $3-6 trillion spent on a war of choice is preferrable to health care for all Americans... I know where I'd rather see my money going, and it isn't to Saudia Arabia. This is an argument we see over and over ad nauseam--the guvmint should spend money on the program I want because that's better than spending it on X. The technique relieves that proponent of having to justify on its own the program he wants, or to consider the possibility that perhaps we'd be happier if the guvmint didn't spend the money on either program, and didn't take the money out of our pockets in the first place. I don't think there's much in the way of argument about which is better to spend money doing. Unless of course you think war is preferrable to healthy citizens. Tell me, please what's so healthy about citizens taking large doses of LSD??? -- Gregory Hall |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... "j" ganz wrote: From what I've read, it's more about low expectations rather than a "society worth living in" in combination with a responsible society. Not to discount the latter of course.... I suppose that, the fact that people have realistic expectations, are part of beeing a good society. Don't you ? Not sure... I suppose, since that's what seems to be the case. I prefer to have unrealistic expectations. LOL Is that why you take large doses of LSD? Unrealistic expectations? -- Gregory Hall |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... Stephen Trapani wrote in news:ImxCj.11$_J2.2 @newsfe02.lga: If you aimed that same focus anywhere else you would see ten times the conspiracies elsewhere and the US would look like a safe haven in comparison. The "New World Order" is global in scope. Other nations are already in the process of being assimilated, such as the EU. The NAU will assimilate us into a 3-country conglomeration of mindless peoples. If you haven't been to the USA in the last 3 years, you need to come see it! Charleston, SC, hardly a border town along the Rio Grande is SIMPLY OVERRUN with Mexicans, Mexican Indians, Central Americans who came in with the Mexicans across our porous border to the South. Whole business that cater to the illegal aliens have sprung up. Most places speak Spanish, now, just like Radio Shacks. The country has been quite successfully invaded from the South and the results are BREEDING LIKE FLIES ON A **** PILE! Every illegal Mexican woman is following her Catholic instructions by staying pregnant continuously! Some are pushing 4 babies around, simultaneously! These, of course, are BORN IN THE USA, of illegal stock. I'm sure this breeding program is supported by many politicians who hope to "cash in" at the polls on election day as soon as the babies are 18, natural citizens of voting age. The indoctrination of them has already begun! The new, diluted population of the USA will do what it's told when the 3 countries are melded into the North American Union. South America, Africa and Asia are next. Once the regional mixing is complete, a generation or two away, they will be, again, melded into the World Government with the NWO elites at the top of the pyramid and the all seeing eye will have completed the world's transition to world control. This is no fantasy. It's all around us! So..since there is no stopping this process, how can a person take advantage of this situation? |
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... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:19:06 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: The technique relieves that proponent of having to justify on its own the program he wants, or to consider the possibility that perhaps we'd be happier if the guvmint didn't spend the money on either program, and didn't take the money out of our pockets in the first place. I don't think there's much in the way of argument about which is better to spend money doing. Unless of course you think war is preferrable to healthy citizens. So you simply repeat the fallacious argument. There's no difference between spending on war vs. spending on health? Ok. I guess I just repeated it again! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:55:45 +0000, Larry said: So, Larry, you think that if the VAT rate is 20%, and I buy parts for $.80 and resell the assembled product for $1.00, I'm going to have to collect and pay over to the guvmint $.20 in VAT? Rolled into the price outside the USA. Every point on the chain from when they dig it out of the ground where money changes hands, VAT is added and rolled into the price when it goes up the chain..... And now would you answer the question? Clearly Larry does not understand VAT systems, (GST in some places). Cheers Marty |
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: On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:55:45 +0000, Larry said: So, Larry, you think that if the VAT rate is 20%, and I buy parts for $.80 and resell the assembled product for $1.00, I'm going to have to collect and pay over to the guvmint $.20 in VAT? Rolled into the price outside the USA. Every point on the chain from when they dig it out of the ground where money changes hands, VAT is added and rolled into the price when it goes up the chain..... And now would you answer the question? Yes |
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Dave wrote in : On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:30:53 +0000, Larry said: VAT is piled upon EVERY link in the money exchange chain from the mine to the consumer, multiplying its real percentage into the price the consumer pays many times over. So, Larry, you think that if the VAT rate is 20%, and I buy parts for $.80 and resell the assembled product for $1.00, I'm going to have to collect and pay over to the guvmint $.20 in VAT? Rolled into the price outside the USA. Every point on the chain from when they dig it out of the ground where money changes hands, VAT is added and rolled into the price when it goes up the chain..... I had hoped someone better versed in economics in general and VAT in particular would correct this false premise - but see that I will just have to step in ... Each registered business does indeed pay VAT on its stage of a product's path to final sale to the consumer but each business is able to claim that payment back once it leaves for the next stage, so in practice no payment is made. Therefore, that payment is not reflected in the product's cost of production, only the consumer pays the final VAT, making it similar to a normal sales tax. I have been reliably informed by those who understand these things that this is the most equitable form of taxation that is difficult to evade, although invoking a bureaucratic overhead. HTH. BrianH. |
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Larry wrote: Dave wrote in : On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:30:53 +0000, Larry said: VAT is piled upon EVERY link in the money exchange chain from the mine to the consumer, multiplying its real percentage into the price the consumer pays many times over. So, Larry, you think that if the VAT rate is 20%, and I buy parts for $.80 and resell the assembled product for $1.00, I'm going to have to collect and pay over to the guvmint $.20 in VAT? Rolled into the price outside the USA. Every point on the chain from when they dig it out of the ground where money changes hands, VAT is added and rolled into the price when it goes up the chain..... I had hoped someone better versed in economics in general and VAT in particular would correct this false premise - but see that I will just have to step in ... [snip VAT explanation] Thanks Brian, I was afraid I'd have to do it. ;-o However it will not assuage Larry's fears vis-a-vis Machiavellian monetary conspiracies. Cheers Marty |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:01:23 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: There's no difference between spending on war vs. spending on health? Ok. I guess I just repeated it again! Remember those multiple choice tests you took in HS, Jon? There was often a choice labeled "none of the above." Jon and his liberal ilk have one-track minds bordering on the imbecile level. They can no more envision a path with multiple inputs and outputs than they can envision taking care of themselves. No! It DOES take a village to raise and nurture the likes of dependent personalities such as Jon Boy. Not a one of them can grasp a complicated thought such as healthy citizens being rendered unhealthy by as little as one terrorist dirty bomb which could easily be the consequence of failing to be aggressive and vigilant in waging war on Islamic Fascists terrorists. And, yes, the war in Iran is part of that world-wide war against the Islamic terrorist threat. We pull out, the Islamic fascists flood in. It's that simple. But, liberals such as Jon Boy see their selfish selves as the center of the world. All needs to revolve around them. All needs to be ordered to fulfill their needs. All needs to be bought and paid for by somebody other than themselves. That's the liberal world outlook. Somebody else's has got to produce and they've got to produce according to the liberals concept of what production means. Jon Boy is a looter. He could not survive without those who produce taking care of his every need. And, sadly, he and his ilk are not capable of seeing the world as it exists. They would dictate, from a standpoint of utter and ridiculous ignorance how it should work. If ever they got their way they would still not see their stupidity even as the world crumbled around their feet as they starved to death. With their very last breath they would bemoan that it's all somebody else's fault. Never would they ask what they produced. The concept of production eludes them. They are the elite. They are entitled to consume without producing anything other than complaints. This is why they are so loathsome. Wilbur Hubbard |
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He does seem to complain quite a bit. Here he is complaining publicly:
http://www.sacbee.com/410/story/428427.html The most humorous thing is that the flight path of those planes is about 3 miles east of the lake so how could they appear "low over the lake"? Just more gross misrepresentations and whinging. Simply check the map in the article. Could be a case of severely distorted perception: http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40002206/ |
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... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:01:23 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: There's no difference between spending on war vs. spending on health? Ok. I guess I just repeated it again! Remember those multiple choice tests you took in HS, Jon? There was often a choice labeled "none of the above." I used that one a lot, but I still graduated anyway! LOL Question: How come you never see "none of the below" on these kinds of tests? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Gene Rayburn" wrote in message ... He does seem to complain quite a bit. Here he is complaining publicly: http://www.sacbee.com/410/story/428427.html The most humorous thing is that the flight path of those planes is about 3 miles east of the lake so how could they appear "low over the lake"? Just more gross misrepresentations and whinging. Simply check the map in the article. Could be a case of severely distorted perception: http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40002206/ That's what large overdoses of LSD does to a person. It's a wonder he doesn't see the aircraft morphing into reptiles and dragons. I guess the following is what you're talking about? "Orangevale resident Jonathan Ganz said the big cargo jets are especially noticeable when they lumber in low and loud over Lake Natoma while he is trying to teach a sailing class. "I have to stop talking. We all sit on the dock and watch the plane, wondering if it is going to land in the lake," Ganz said."" Ha ha ah! What a jerk! Teaches a sailing class on the dock? Wouldn't it be better to teach sailing on a sailboat? A case of the blind leading the blind, I'm afraid. -- Gregory Hall |
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"Gene Rayburn" wrote in message ... He does seem to complain quite a bit. Here he is complaining publicly: http://www.sacbee.com/410/story/428427.html The most humorous thing is that the flight path of those planes is about 3 miles east of the lake so how could they appear "low over the lake"? Just more gross misrepresentations and whinging. Simply check the map in the article. Could be a case of severely distorted perception: http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40002206/ If the planes are such a nuisance, why in God's name did he chose to buy a house right in the flight path? Seems really dumb to me. It's like buying a boat, knowing it has a large hole in the bottom, and then complaining it sinks every time you put it in the water. Talk about a perpetual victim of his own doing! Phil |
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"Phil Abuster" wrote in message ... "Gene Rayburn" wrote in message ... He does seem to complain quite a bit. Here he is complaining publicly: http://www.sacbee.com/410/story/428427.html The most humorous thing is that the flight path of those planes is about 3 miles east of the lake so how could they appear "low over the lake"? Just more gross misrepresentations and whinging. Simply check the map in the article. Could be a case of severely distorted perception: http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40002206/ If the planes are such a nuisance, why in God's name did he chose to buy a house right in the flight path? Seems really dumb to me. It's like buying a boat, knowing it has a large hole in the bottom, and then complaining it sinks every time you put it in the water. Talk about a perpetual victim of his own doing! Phil Buy a home????? I always heard that Jon Boy still lives with his mother in HER home! -- Gregory Hall |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:55:45 +0000, Larry said: So, Larry, you think that if the VAT rate is 20%, and I buy parts for $.80 and resell the assembled product for $1.00, I'm going to have to collect and pay over to the guvmint $.20 in VAT? C'mon Dave. You buy a product for $0.80 which includes VAT. so the product has actually cost you $0.66 because you can reclaim the VAT,assuming you are registered for VAT.. You then sell it for $1.00 You do not say whether this is ex or inclusive of VAT If ex. you must charge $1.20 and pay the goverment $.20 like he said, so your profit is $0.33 If inclusive of VAT you get $1 and must pay the government $0.13 so you are left with $0.83 and your profit is just $017. |
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"Gene Rayburn" wrote in message ... He does seem to complain quite a bit. Here he is complaining publicly: http://www.sacbee.com/410/story/428427.html The most humorous thing is that the flight path of those planes is about 3 miles east of the lake so how could they appear "low over the lake"? Just more gross misrepresentations and whinging. Simply check the map in the article. Could be a case of severely distorted perception: http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40002206/ Gene, thanks. That last link is very informative. I wonder if he sometimes sees haloes around those low-flying aircraft? Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder. Hmmm very interesting. I like this part, "HPPD, by contrast, is a persistent, pervasive, long-term, dysphoric and distressing condition. It may be irreversible or persist for months or years. Its effects are clearly non-benign and accompanied by a sense of dysphoria.3 The symptoms must cause distress or social, occupational or other impairment and not be due to an underlying medical condition. Equally, the symptoms should not be due to another mental disorder such as dementia, delirium or schizophrenia, and not be associated with waking or falling to sleep when hypnopompic or hypnagogic hallucinations are a more likely cause." Could be. Just could be... -- Gregory Hall |
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BrianH wrote in news:829ed$47db6af5$5449e348$1574
@news.hispeed.ch: Each registered business does indeed pay VAT on its stage of a product's path to final sale to the consumer but each business is able to claim that payment back once it leaves for the next stage, so in practice no payment is made. Therefore, that payment is not reflected in the product's cost of production, only the consumer pays the final VAT, making it similar to a normal sales tax. I learn something new every day. This is today's discovery. I didn't know they get it back. I assumed, wrongly it seems, that it was accumulated. It certainly wouldn't be given back in the United States of America. We'd invent a new layer of local government bureaucrats who would live quite well upon each layer of kept VAT, here. Does VAT work that way in every European country, or just Switzerland? |
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On Mar 15, 9:10 am, Larry wrote:
BrianH wrote in news:829ed$47db6af5$5449e348$1574 @news.hispeed.ch: .... Does VAT work that way in every European country, or just Switzerland? We have a thing called a goods and services general excise tax (GST) here in Hawaii that is VAT without the write-off so it pyramids. It is very powerful, largely hidden and extraordinarily regressive. -- Tom. |
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