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I was invited to sail a Tayana 37 Saturday; some of you will remember this
is one of the boats on my short list. I have to say I was a bit more impressed with the boat than I thought I would be. It was a light-air day on upper Galveston Bay; winds were in the 8-10kt range. I expected the boat- with its 22,000 lb displacement- to be a bit ponderous, but she performed quite nicely. We averaged 4.5 kts (on the GPS) on close and broad reaches. We did not use the staysail; I do not know if this would have increased the boat's performance or not (I have absolutely zero experience with cutters). I don't think it would be too wildly optimistic to expect, under the right (but not necessarily optimum) conditions, that a Tayana 37 would do 125-mile days. Some days more, some days less, certainly- but still and all, this boat is a traveller. This particular boat had a slight weather helm, but it wasn't something I had to fight. I was told the wind vane steers her very nicely. While tacking she was docile enough; no quirks. It was a great experience, and I have to thank my new-found friends for the invitation. (This boat is not for sale, btw.) Today I looked over another Tayana 37 offered for sale by the owner, and she is a very nicely maintained boat- the best I have seen so far (I've looked at several!). Interestingly enough, she is one hull number different than the boat I sailed on. She needs more gadgets- a radar would be the first thing I'd add, followed by a wind vane- but she's an immaculately clean 1986 model ready to move aboard. It's probably a good thing I didn't have the cash in hand :) Wendy |
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Wendy,
I think I mentioned that we were very pleasantly surprised by the light air performance of our Tayana. We had expected a real pig. While it's true, there are lots of faster boats, give Tricia Jean a clean bottom and she moves right along. Bob Perry did something right when he designed this one. One of the things we REALLY like about ours, that no one says much about is the huge amount of acessible storage. Everywhere you look, there are more drawers, cupboards and lockers. After owning a Catalina 30, where whatever you were after, whether it was a spare part or another can of evaporated milk, you had to dig for it, that is especially sweet. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bad mouthing the Catalina. We sure loved ours. But it does make you appreciate boats like the Tayana. Now that I think about it, one of the best aspects of going through a few successively larger boats on your way to the "final" one is that you really appreciate that boat you wind up with more. When we went from a MacGregor 25 to the Catalina 30, we truely appreciated the size, comfort and storage the larger boat brought as well as its' ability to handle the coastal cruising conditions of the CA coast. Now, after having lived on the Catalina for up to 2 months at a stretch, the Tayana seems almost like a palace. We hope to move aboard permantly before too long and had we gone straight from a 4 bedroom house to the Tayana, I can just imagine how confining it would have felt. As it is, it feels big and roomy to us. Fair winds - Dan Wendy wrote: I was invited to sail a Tayana 37 Saturday; some of you will remember this is one of the boats on my short list. I have to say I was a bit more impressed with the boat than I thought I would be. It was a light-air day on upper Galveston Bay; winds were in the 8-10kt range. I expected the boat- with its 22,000 lb displacement- to be a bit ponderous, but she performed quite nicely. We averaged 4.5 kts (on the GPS) on close and broad reaches. We did not use the staysail; I do not know if this would have increased the boat's performance or not (I have absolutely zero experience with cutters). I don't think it would be too wildly optimistic to expect, under the right (but not necessarily optimum) conditions, that a Tayana 37 would do 125-mile days. Some days more, some days less, certainly- but still and all, this boat is a traveller. This particular boat had a slight weather helm, but it wasn't something I had to fight. I was told the wind vane steers her very nicely. While tacking she was docile enough; no quirks. It was a great experience, and I have to thank my new-found friends for the invitation. (This boat is not for sale, btw.) Today I looked over another Tayana 37 offered for sale by the owner, and she is a very nicely maintained boat- the best I have seen so far (I've looked at several!). Interestingly enough, she is one hull number different than the boat I sailed on. She needs more gadgets- a radar would be the first thing I'd add, followed by a wind vane- but she's an immaculately clean 1986 model ready to move aboard. It's probably a good thing I didn't have the cash in hand :) Wendy |
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Wendy,
I think I mentioned that we were very pleasantly surprised by the light air performance of our Tayana. We had expected a real pig. While it's true, there are lots of faster boats, give Tricia Jean a clean bottom and she moves right along. Bob Perry did something right when he designed this one. One of the things we REALLY like about ours, that no one says much about is the huge amount of acessible storage. Everywhere you look, there are more drawers, cupboards and lockers. After owning a Catalina 30, where whatever you were after, whether it was a spare part or another can of evaporated milk, you had to dig for it, that is especially sweet. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bad mouthing the Catalina. We sure loved ours. But it does make you appreciate boats like the Tayana. Now that I think about it, one of the best aspects of going through a few successively larger boats on your way to the "final" one is that you really appreciate that boat you wind up with more. When we went from a MacGregor 25 to the Catalina 30, we truely appreciated the size, comfort and storage the larger boat brought as well as its' ability to handle the coastal cruising conditions of the CA coast. Now, after having lived on the Catalina for up to 2 months at a stretch, the Tayana seems almost like a palace. We hope to move aboard permantly before too long and had we gone straight from a 4 bedroom house to the Tayana, I can just imagine how confining it would have felt. As it is, it feels big and roomy to us. Fair winds - Dan Wendy wrote: I was invited to sail a Tayana 37 Saturday; some of you will remember this is one of the boats on my short list. I have to say I was a bit more impressed with the boat than I thought I would be. It was a light-air day on upper Galveston Bay; winds were in the 8-10kt range. I expected the boat- with its 22,000 lb displacement- to be a bit ponderous, but she performed quite nicely. We averaged 4.5 kts (on the GPS) on close and broad reaches. We did not use the staysail; I do not know if this would have increased the boat's performance or not (I have absolutely zero experience with cutters). I don't think it would be too wildly optimistic to expect, under the right (but not necessarily optimum) conditions, that a Tayana 37 would do 125-mile days. Some days more, some days less, certainly- but still and all, this boat is a traveller. This particular boat had a slight weather helm, but it wasn't something I had to fight. I was told the wind vane steers her very nicely. While tacking she was docile enough; no quirks. It was a great experience, and I have to thank my new-found friends for the invitation. (This boat is not for sale, btw.) Today I looked over another Tayana 37 offered for sale by the owner, and she is a very nicely maintained boat- the best I have seen so far (I've looked at several!). Interestingly enough, she is one hull number different than the boat I sailed on. She needs more gadgets- a radar would be the first thing I'd add, followed by a wind vane- but she's an immaculately clean 1986 model ready to move aboard. It's probably a good thing I didn't have the cash in hand :) Wendy |
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A Tayana is very sensitive to the position of max draft in the mainsail
vs. weather helm... a good thing. Halyard tension is critical. Once the helm balance is attained, because of the symmetrical hull form, can lay over on her ear and not change weather/lee helm. For beating the staysail (set under a genoa) is of little advantage, and takes extremely precise flattening and rounded entry to be of benefit, then it will reduce mast turbulence and aerodynamically becomes a forward extension of the main sail. If you try to make a staysail 'draw' when beating ---- nothing of benefit will happen! Otherwise, my preference is to have a boomed (and vanged) staysail for efficient reaching .... so the foot/boom doesnt lift resulting in an open (fluttering) leech of the staysl - this for maximum 'drive'. If you buy a TY37 and it has a 'yankee' jib, throw it overboard... CE is too high and all you get is heel and little forward drive. A TY37 needs a feathering prop, a faired and smooth bottom to be a good light air performer. In light air, a TY37 will not accelerate from a tack without some serious 'powering up': bearing off, releasing mainsail outhaul, etc. Too bad the winds were not 'up' as thats when the TY37 is at her best. In article , Wendy wrote: I was invited to sail a Tayana 37 Saturday; some of you will remember this is one of the boats on my short list. I have to say I was a bit more impressed with the boat than I thought I would be. It was a light-air day on upper Galveston Bay; winds were in the 8-10kt range. I expected the boat- with its 22,000 lb displacement- to be a bit ponderous, but she performed quite nicely. We averaged 4.5 kts (on the GPS) on close and broad reaches. We did not use the staysail; I do not know if this would have increased the boat's performance or not (I have absolutely zero experience with cutters). I don't think it would be too wildly optimistic to expect, under the right (but not necessarily optimum) conditions, that a Tayana 37 would do 125-mile days. Some days more, some days less, certainly- but still and all, this boat is a traveller. This particular boat had a slight weather helm, but it wasn't something I had to fight. I was told the wind vane steers her very nicely. While tacking she was docile enough; no quirks. It was a great experience, and I have to thank my new-found friends for the invitation. (This boat is not for sale, btw.) Today I looked over another Tayana 37 offered for sale by the owner, and she is a very nicely maintained boat- the best I have seen so far (I've looked at several!). Interestingly enough, she is one hull number different than the boat I sailed on. She needs more gadgets- a radar would be the first thing I'd add, followed by a wind vane- but she's an immaculately clean 1986 model ready to move aboard. It's probably a good thing I didn't have the cash in hand :) Wendy |
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A Tayana is very sensitive to the position of max draft in the mainsail
vs. weather helm... a good thing. Halyard tension is critical. Once the helm balance is attained, because of the symmetrical hull form, can lay over on her ear and not change weather/lee helm. For beating the staysail (set under a genoa) is of little advantage, and takes extremely precise flattening and rounded entry to be of benefit, then it will reduce mast turbulence and aerodynamically becomes a forward extension of the main sail. If you try to make a staysail 'draw' when beating ---- nothing of benefit will happen! Otherwise, my preference is to have a boomed (and vanged) staysail for efficient reaching .... so the foot/boom doesnt lift resulting in an open (fluttering) leech of the staysl - this for maximum 'drive'. If you buy a TY37 and it has a 'yankee' jib, throw it overboard... CE is too high and all you get is heel and little forward drive. A TY37 needs a feathering prop, a faired and smooth bottom to be a good light air performer. In light air, a TY37 will not accelerate from a tack without some serious 'powering up': bearing off, releasing mainsail outhaul, etc. Too bad the winds were not 'up' as thats when the TY37 is at her best. In article , Wendy wrote: I was invited to sail a Tayana 37 Saturday; some of you will remember this is one of the boats on my short list. I have to say I was a bit more impressed with the boat than I thought I would be. It was a light-air day on upper Galveston Bay; winds were in the 8-10kt range. I expected the boat- with its 22,000 lb displacement- to be a bit ponderous, but she performed quite nicely. We averaged 4.5 kts (on the GPS) on close and broad reaches. We did not use the staysail; I do not know if this would have increased the boat's performance or not (I have absolutely zero experience with cutters). I don't think it would be too wildly optimistic to expect, under the right (but not necessarily optimum) conditions, that a Tayana 37 would do 125-mile days. Some days more, some days less, certainly- but still and all, this boat is a traveller. This particular boat had a slight weather helm, but it wasn't something I had to fight. I was told the wind vane steers her very nicely. While tacking she was docile enough; no quirks. It was a great experience, and I have to thank my new-found friends for the invitation. (This boat is not for sale, btw.) Today I looked over another Tayana 37 offered for sale by the owner, and she is a very nicely maintained boat- the best I have seen so far (I've looked at several!). Interestingly enough, she is one hull number different than the boat I sailed on. She needs more gadgets- a radar would be the first thing I'd add, followed by a wind vane- but she's an immaculately clean 1986 model ready to move aboard. It's probably a good thing I didn't have the cash in hand :) Wendy |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 02:03:48 GMT, "Wendy" wrote:
I was invited to sail a Tayana 37 Saturday; some of you will remember this good boat review snipped It's probably a good thing I didn't have the cash in hand :) Wendy LOL..or a bad thing. There have times in my life that I should have leaped. BTW..for some reason I got the impression from an earlier post that you fly? If so, do you find yourself doing the "scan" thing...engine gauges (if motoring), horizon, sail trim, lines, charts, etc, every few minutes.? Norm |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 02:03:48 GMT, "Wendy" wrote:
I was invited to sail a Tayana 37 Saturday; some of you will remember this good boat review snipped It's probably a good thing I didn't have the cash in hand :) Wendy LOL..or a bad thing. There have times in my life that I should have leaped. BTW..for some reason I got the impression from an earlier post that you fly? If so, do you find yourself doing the "scan" thing...engine gauges (if motoring), horizon, sail trim, lines, charts, etc, every few minutes.? Norm |
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"engsol" wrote in message ... LOL..or a bad thing. There have times in my life that I should have leaped. BTW..for some reason I got the impression from an earlier post that you fly? If so, do you find yourself doing the "scan" thing...engine gauges (if motoring), horizon, sail trim, lines, charts, etc, every few minutes.? Norm Yeah, now that you mention it, I did scan! GPS, horizon, depth sounder, horizon, genoa, horizon... Wendy |
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"engsol" wrote in message ... LOL..or a bad thing. There have times in my life that I should have leaped. BTW..for some reason I got the impression from an earlier post that you fly? If so, do you find yourself doing the "scan" thing...engine gauges (if motoring), horizon, sail trim, lines, charts, etc, every few minutes.? Norm Yeah, now that you mention it, I did scan! GPS, horizon, depth sounder, horizon, genoa, horizon... Wendy |
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"Rich Hampel" wrote in message ... (lots of good stuff snipped) Too bad the winds were not 'up' as thats when the TY37 is at her best. Yeah, I'd like to try her in a breeze, and I'd like to try her in a bit of a sea. Galveston Bay is kinda like a lake, really. From the Tayana mailling list I am given to understand that mast rake has a lot to do with weather helm. I suppose it's a matter of tuning, really- a tweak here and there until one has the boat set up the way one wants. I'll have to wait until I have my own for that... Wendy |
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"Rich Hampel" wrote in message ... (lots of good stuff snipped) Too bad the winds were not 'up' as thats when the TY37 is at her best. Yeah, I'd like to try her in a breeze, and I'd like to try her in a bit of a sea. Galveston Bay is kinda like a lake, really. From the Tayana mailling list I am given to understand that mast rake has a lot to do with weather helm. I suppose it's a matter of tuning, really- a tweak here and there until one has the boat set up the way one wants. I'll have to wait until I have my own for that... Wendy |
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"Dan Best" wrote in message news:Aef_b.378243$xy6.2020117@attbi_s02... One of the things we REALLY like about ours, that no one says much about is the huge amount of acessible storage. Everywhere you look, there are more drawers, cupboards and lockers. After owning a Catalina 30, where whatever you were after, whether it was a spare part or another can of evaporated milk, you had to dig for it, that is especially sweet. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bad mouthing the Catalina. We sure loved ours. But it does make you appreciate boats like the Tayana. Interestingly, the guy who showed me the boat for sale went from a Catalina 30 to the Tayana, and he said EXACTLY the same thing! His layout does not have a quarterberth, which didn't seem to have a lot of impact on the interior roominess. Under the cockpit there is consequently a vast expanse; he installed a Yanmar/Kohler 4kw genset down there with little impact on the storage capacity, and the accessibility is awesome. Inside the boat, as you know, there are drawers and lockers in every conceivable location, the chainplates are accessible, there's no problem getting at the stuff in the bilges, the galley is sensibly set up... I am sure there are "better" boats out there than the Tayana 37. But I don't think there is a better value out there; IMHO this boat is quite simply the most bang for the buck for the serious cruiser or cruising couple looking to spend less than $100,000. Wendy |
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"Dan Best" wrote in message news:Aef_b.378243$xy6.2020117@attbi_s02... One of the things we REALLY like about ours, that no one says much about is the huge amount of acessible storage. Everywhere you look, there are more drawers, cupboards and lockers. After owning a Catalina 30, where whatever you were after, whether it was a spare part or another can of evaporated milk, you had to dig for it, that is especially sweet. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bad mouthing the Catalina. We sure loved ours. But it does make you appreciate boats like the Tayana. Interestingly, the guy who showed me the boat for sale went from a Catalina 30 to the Tayana, and he said EXACTLY the same thing! His layout does not have a quarterberth, which didn't seem to have a lot of impact on the interior roominess. Under the cockpit there is consequently a vast expanse; he installed a Yanmar/Kohler 4kw genset down there with little impact on the storage capacity, and the accessibility is awesome. Inside the boat, as you know, there are drawers and lockers in every conceivable location, the chainplates are accessible, there's no problem getting at the stuff in the bilges, the galley is sensibly set up... I am sure there are "better" boats out there than the Tayana 37. But I don't think there is a better value out there; IMHO this boat is quite simply the most bang for the buck for the serious cruiser or cruising couple looking to spend less than $100,000. Wendy |
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It was a light-air day
on upper Galveston Bay; winds were in the 8-10kt range. 8 to 10 knot winds are "normal" most of the time for most of the sailing world outside the trade wind areas. Light airs are winds under 6 knots. a Tayana 37 would do 125-mile days. few boats consistently average 125 mile days over the long haul. |
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It was a light-air day
on upper Galveston Bay; winds were in the 8-10kt range. 8 to 10 knot winds are "normal" most of the time for most of the sailing world outside the trade wind areas. Light airs are winds under 6 knots. a Tayana 37 would do 125-mile days. few boats consistently average 125 mile days over the long haul. |
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"JAXAshby" wrote in message ... It was a light-air day on upper Galveston Bay; winds were in the 8-10kt range. 8 to 10 knot winds are "normal" most of the time for most of the sailing world outside the trade wind areas. Light airs are winds under 6 knots. a Tayana 37 would do 125-mile days. few boats consistently average 125 mile days over the long haul. 10-15 is more "normal" here, and I can positively guarantee you that it's pretty much normal for the Western Caribbean. In my original post I did not refer to average distance over time; sorry if that was not clear. |
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"JAXAshby" wrote in message ... It was a light-air day on upper Galveston Bay; winds were in the 8-10kt range. 8 to 10 knot winds are "normal" most of the time for most of the sailing world outside the trade wind areas. Light airs are winds under 6 knots. a Tayana 37 would do 125-mile days. few boats consistently average 125 mile days over the long haul. 10-15 is more "normal" here, and I can positively guarantee you that it's pretty much normal for the Western Caribbean. In my original post I did not refer to average distance over time; sorry if that was not clear. |
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trade winds are higher than is "normal" for most everywhere else except high
latitudes. I personally know a guy who spent 15 days of a 45 day Atlantic crossing becalmed. Most long distance cruisers have set of nylon sails. Lin and Larry Pardey had a nylon mainsail built so their boat wouldn't slop around in lite airs (large, lite sails in lite winds also means you can not point nearly as high, as your boat speed climbs relative to the wind speed). The Caribbean usually has winds and is one of the reasons sailors like the area. 8 to 10 knot winds are "normal" most of the time for most of the sailing world outside the trade wind areas. Light airs are winds under 6 knots. a Tayana 37 would do 125-mile days. few boats consistently average 125 mile days over the long haul. 10-15 is more "normal" here, and I can positively guarantee you that it's pretty much normal for the Western Caribbean. In my original post I did not refer to average distance over time; sorry if that was not clear. |
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trade winds are higher than is "normal" for most everywhere else except high
latitudes. I personally know a guy who spent 15 days of a 45 day Atlantic crossing becalmed. Most long distance cruisers have set of nylon sails. Lin and Larry Pardey had a nylon mainsail built so their boat wouldn't slop around in lite airs (large, lite sails in lite winds also means you can not point nearly as high, as your boat speed climbs relative to the wind speed). The Caribbean usually has winds and is one of the reasons sailors like the area. 8 to 10 knot winds are "normal" most of the time for most of the sailing world outside the trade wind areas. Light airs are winds under 6 knots. a Tayana 37 would do 125-mile days. few boats consistently average 125 mile days over the long haul. 10-15 is more "normal" here, and I can positively guarantee you that it's pretty much normal for the Western Caribbean. In my original post I did not refer to average distance over time; sorry if that was not clear. |
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"JAXAshby" wrote in message ... I personally know a guy who spent 15 days of a 45 day Atlantic crossing becalmed. This is why the gods created diesel engines :) Most long distance cruisers have set of nylon sails. Lin and Larry Pardey had a nylon mainsail built so their boat wouldn't slop around in lite airs (large, lite sails in lite winds also means you can not point nearly as high, as your boat speed climbs relative to the wind speed). Ok, this brings some questions to mind. In a cutter, would one do as well to simply drop the main in very light airs and go with the staysail and jib? Or use the mainsail as well with, say, a preventer in case one was caught off-guard, and simply relax a bit? Strategising here... |
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"JAXAshby" wrote in message ... I personally know a guy who spent 15 days of a 45 day Atlantic crossing becalmed. This is why the gods created diesel engines :) Most long distance cruisers have set of nylon sails. Lin and Larry Pardey had a nylon mainsail built so their boat wouldn't slop around in lite airs (large, lite sails in lite winds also means you can not point nearly as high, as your boat speed climbs relative to the wind speed). Ok, this brings some questions to mind. In a cutter, would one do as well to simply drop the main in very light airs and go with the staysail and jib? Or use the mainsail as well with, say, a preventer in case one was caught off-guard, and simply relax a bit? Strategising here... |
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This is why the gods created diesel engines :)
wouldn't help there. He had an outboard and only 12 gallons of fuel. But motoring a LOT is MOTORing a lot. I know people who won't sail if boat speed drops below 5 knots. Me, I have been known to sail in winds so lite I was passed by a lobster pot from behind. would one do as well to simply drop the main in very light airs and go with the staysail and jib? Or use the mainsail as well in lite winds, you choice is pretty much down wind, and twin head sails seems to be the preferred, though large genoa to one side with main to the other is also used. The staysail is pretty small and isn't much use most of the time. If you are willing to take whatever speed you can get and don't want to go much downwind, a very large lite headsail (cut more flat than usual) and a lite mainsail can keep you moving, though you VMG upwind usually ain't much, if anything at all. |
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This is why the gods created diesel engines :)
wouldn't help there. He had an outboard and only 12 gallons of fuel. But motoring a LOT is MOTORing a lot. I know people who won't sail if boat speed drops below 5 knots. Me, I have been known to sail in winds so lite I was passed by a lobster pot from behind. would one do as well to simply drop the main in very light airs and go with the staysail and jib? Or use the mainsail as well in lite winds, you choice is pretty much down wind, and twin head sails seems to be the preferred, though large genoa to one side with main to the other is also used. The staysail is pretty small and isn't much use most of the time. If you are willing to take whatever speed you can get and don't want to go much downwind, a very large lite headsail (cut more flat than usual) and a lite mainsail can keep you moving, though you VMG upwind usually ain't much, if anything at all. |
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Mast rake is usually the LAST thing to be adjusted vs. weather helm.
The first thing is draft position (halyard tension) then Backstay tension (forestay tension), and Sail Shape, mast pre-bend, etc. etc. etc. Most 'cruisers' have NO idea how to shape and set a sail or what shaping tensions (halyard,outhaul, etc.) to apply. In article , Wendy wrote: "Rich Hampel" wrote in message ... (lots of good stuff snipped) Too bad the winds were not 'up' as thats when the TY37 is at her best. Yeah, I'd like to try her in a breeze, and I'd like to try her in a bit of a sea. Galveston Bay is kinda like a lake, really. From the Tayana mailling list I am given to understand that mast rake has a lot to do with weather helm. I suppose it's a matter of tuning, really- a tweak here and there until one has the boat set up the way one wants. I'll have to wait until I have my own for that... Wendy |
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Mast rake is usually the LAST thing to be adjusted vs. weather helm.
The first thing is draft position (halyard tension) then Backstay tension (forestay tension), and Sail Shape, mast pre-bend, etc. etc. etc. Most 'cruisers' have NO idea how to shape and set a sail or what shaping tensions (halyard,outhaul, etc.) to apply. In article , Wendy wrote: "Rich Hampel" wrote in message ... (lots of good stuff snipped) Too bad the winds were not 'up' as thats when the TY37 is at her best. Yeah, I'd like to try her in a breeze, and I'd like to try her in a bit of a sea. Galveston Bay is kinda like a lake, really. From the Tayana mailling list I am given to understand that mast rake has a lot to do with weather helm. I suppose it's a matter of tuning, really- a tweak here and there until one has the boat set up the way one wants. I'll have to wait until I have my own for that... Wendy |
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Main and Genoa (or spinn) broad reaching off to *keep the apparent wind up* and the sails ventilated. There is NO reason in the world to run dead down wind (except at hull speed) .... except to miss land or other hard objects. Just look at the polar diagrams for just about any boat ..... for downwind VMG a broad reach is the fastest overall, a dead run is the ultimate slowness. In article s.com, Wendy wrote: "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... I personally know a guy who spent 15 days of a 45 day Atlantic crossing becalmed. This is why the gods created diesel engines :) Most long distance cruisers have set of nylon sails. Lin and Larry Pardey had a nylon mainsail built so their boat wouldn't slop around in lite airs (large, lite sails in lite winds also means you can not point nearly as high, as your boat speed climbs relative to the wind speed). Ok, this brings some questions to mind. In a cutter, would one do as well to simply drop the main in very light airs and go with the staysail and jib? Or use the mainsail as well with, say, a preventer in case one was caught off-guard, and simply relax a bit? Strategising here... |
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Main and Genoa (or spinn) broad reaching off to *keep the apparent wind up* and the sails ventilated. There is NO reason in the world to run dead down wind (except at hull speed) .... except to miss land or other hard objects. Just look at the polar diagrams for just about any boat ..... for downwind VMG a broad reach is the fastest overall, a dead run is the ultimate slowness. In article s.com, Wendy wrote: "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... I personally know a guy who spent 15 days of a 45 day Atlantic crossing becalmed. This is why the gods created diesel engines :) Most long distance cruisers have set of nylon sails. Lin and Larry Pardey had a nylon mainsail built so their boat wouldn't slop around in lite airs (large, lite sails in lite winds also means you can not point nearly as high, as your boat speed climbs relative to the wind speed). Ok, this brings some questions to mind. In a cutter, would one do as well to simply drop the main in very light airs and go with the staysail and jib? Or use the mainsail as well with, say, a preventer in case one was caught off-guard, and simply relax a bit? Strategising here... |
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"Rich Hampel" wrote in message ... Mast rake is usually the LAST thing to be adjusted vs. weather helm. The first thing is draft position (halyard tension) then Backstay tension (forestay tension), and Sail Shape, mast pre-bend, etc. etc. etc. Most 'cruisers' have NO idea how to shape and set a sail or what shaping tensions (halyard,outhaul, etc.) to apply. There is, no doubt, more than one way to skin a cat. |
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"Rich Hampel" wrote in message ... Mast rake is usually the LAST thing to be adjusted vs. weather helm. The first thing is draft position (halyard tension) then Backstay tension (forestay tension), and Sail Shape, mast pre-bend, etc. etc. etc. Most 'cruisers' have NO idea how to shape and set a sail or what shaping tensions (halyard,outhaul, etc.) to apply. There is, no doubt, more than one way to skin a cat. |
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"Rich Hampel" wrote in message ... Neither Main and Genoa (or spinn) broad reaching off to *keep the apparent wind up* and the sails ventilated. There is NO reason in the world to run dead down wind (except at hull speed) .... except to miss land or other hard objects. Just look at the polar diagrams for just about any boat ..... for downwind VMG a broad reach is the fastest overall, a dead run is the ultimate slowness. Ok Rich- thanks! I can grasp this one :) I hate runs; I'd much rather sail on a broad reach. Outside of a race course or the examples you point to, I can't imagine why anyone would do it. |
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"Rich Hampel" wrote in message ... Neither Main and Genoa (or spinn) broad reaching off to *keep the apparent wind up* and the sails ventilated. There is NO reason in the world to run dead down wind (except at hull speed) .... except to miss land or other hard objects. Just look at the polar diagrams for just about any boat ..... for downwind VMG a broad reach is the fastest overall, a dead run is the ultimate slowness. Ok Rich- thanks! I can grasp this one :) I hate runs; I'd much rather sail on a broad reach. Outside of a race course or the examples you point to, I can't imagine why anyone would do it. |
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yet, twin head sails are often used. Is that because it is easier, or because
two huge headsails has more drive than one huge headsail and a main sail? Neither Main and Genoa (or spinn) broad reaching off to *keep the apparent wind up* and the sails ventilated. There is NO reason in the world to run dead down wind (except at hull speed) .... except to miss land or other hard objects. Just look at the polar diagrams for just about any boat ..... for downwind VMG a broad reach is the fastest overall, a dead run is the ultimate slowness. In article s.com, Wendy wrote: "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... I personally know a guy who spent 15 days of a 45 day Atlantic crossing becalmed. This is why the gods created diesel engines :) Most long distance cruisers have set of nylon sails. Lin and Larry Pardey had a nylon mainsail built so their boat wouldn't slop around in lite airs (large, lite sails in lite winds also means you can not point nearly as high, as your boat speed climbs relative to the wind speed). Ok, this brings some questions to mind. In a cutter, would one do as well to simply drop the main in very light airs and go with the staysail and jib? Or use the mainsail as well with, say, a preventer in case one was caught off-guard, and simply relax a bit? Strategising here... |
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yet, twin head sails are often used. Is that because it is easier, or because
two huge headsails has more drive than one huge headsail and a main sail? Neither Main and Genoa (or spinn) broad reaching off to *keep the apparent wind up* and the sails ventilated. There is NO reason in the world to run dead down wind (except at hull speed) .... except to miss land or other hard objects. Just look at the polar diagrams for just about any boat ..... for downwind VMG a broad reach is the fastest overall, a dead run is the ultimate slowness. In article s.com, Wendy wrote: "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... I personally know a guy who spent 15 days of a 45 day Atlantic crossing becalmed. This is why the gods created diesel engines :) Most long distance cruisers have set of nylon sails. Lin and Larry Pardey had a nylon mainsail built so their boat wouldn't slop around in lite airs (large, lite sails in lite winds also means you can not point nearly as high, as your boat speed climbs relative to the wind speed). Ok, this brings some questions to mind. In a cutter, would one do as well to simply drop the main in very light airs and go with the staysail and jib? Or use the mainsail as well with, say, a preventer in case one was caught off-guard, and simply relax a bit? Strategising here... |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:12:36 -0600, "Wendy"
wrote: "Rich Hampel" wrote in message ... Neither Main and Genoa (or spinn) broad reaching off to *keep the apparent wind up* and the sails ventilated. There is NO reason in the world to run dead down wind (except at hull speed) .... except to miss land or other hard objects. Just look at the polar diagrams for just about any boat ..... for downwind VMG a broad reach is the fastest overall, a dead run is the ultimate slowness. Ok Rich- thanks! I can grasp this one :) I hate runs; I'd much rather sail on a broad reach. Outside of a race course or the examples you point to, I can't imagine why anyone would do it. There's an article on this in the current February SAIL magazine on how broad reaches can be faster than dead downwind over a given course. Racers learn this on warm summer nights while waiting for the shore breeze to fill in. The article is called Cruising Tips Tack downwind to avoid a sail-slatting slog. By Fred Roswold R. |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:12:36 -0600, "Wendy"
wrote: "Rich Hampel" wrote in message ... Neither Main and Genoa (or spinn) broad reaching off to *keep the apparent wind up* and the sails ventilated. There is NO reason in the world to run dead down wind (except at hull speed) .... except to miss land or other hard objects. Just look at the polar diagrams for just about any boat ..... for downwind VMG a broad reach is the fastest overall, a dead run is the ultimate slowness. Ok Rich- thanks! I can grasp this one :) I hate runs; I'd much rather sail on a broad reach. Outside of a race course or the examples you point to, I can't imagine why anyone would do it. There's an article on this in the current February SAIL magazine on how broad reaches can be faster than dead downwind over a given course. Racers learn this on warm summer nights while waiting for the shore breeze to fill in. The article is called Cruising Tips Tack downwind to avoid a sail-slatting slog. By Fred Roswold R. |
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Where and when did the term "fair winds and following seas" first appear.
Perhaps on a long tradewind cruise from the Galapagos to French Polynesia. But I'm just one who sailed wing and wing for about twenty days on end. Then on the other hand there is racing. |
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Where and when did the term "fair winds and following seas" first appear.
Perhaps on a long tradewind cruise from the Galapagos to French Polynesia. But I'm just one who sailed wing and wing for about twenty days on end. Then on the other hand there is racing. |
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In article ,
"Wendy" wrote: "engsol" wrote in message ... LOL..or a bad thing. There have times in my life that I should have leaped. BTW..for some reason I got the impression from an earlier post that you fly? If so, do you find yourself doing the "scan" thing...engine gauges (if motoring), horizon, sail trim, lines, charts, etc, every few minutes.? Norm Yeah, now that you mention it, I did scan! GPS, horizon, depth sounder, horizon, genoa, horizon... Wendy Doesn't everyone do that? -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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