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			On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:19:27 -0600, "Wendy" 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
	wrote (with possible editing): Same thing with the aforementioned snap-carabiners. I'm a (not very accomplished) rock climber of sorts, and a snap gate crab is NEVER used as a primary means of hooking into a line, and the use of a locking (screw gate) crab is frowned on as well- knots are the only safe way, in rock climbing. Of course, it's a bit of a different situation; if the rock sinks you've had it anyway ![]() No flame intended, Wendy, but in years of rock climbing and tower work, I have never had a locking carabiner open by mistake. Snap gate biners are also commonly used, but in pairs with the gates on opposite sides. -- Larry Email to rapp at lmr dot com  | 
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