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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:43:35 -0500, Red wrote:

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pot=kettle=black

*plonk*

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"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Molesworth" wrote in message


It has to be a global attempt or nothing at all.

My 2c

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Interesting map... of course, the Sierra Club must be lying...

http://www.sierraclub.org/globalwarming/maps/map2.pdf

Map is *10 years* old!

I'd like to see this map updated tho.

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In article ,
Red wrote:

Capt. JG sent a link to a Democrap fundraising front:
Interesting map... of course, the Sierra Club must be lying...

http://www.sierraclub.org/globalwarming/maps/map2.pdf


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I won't even bother to read what that organization has to say about
anything. Their past performance suggests they are totally incapable of
telling the truth. They are a political party fundraising front, and
nothing more. Just to be fair, I don't read anything from political
fundraising fronts from either side.

There stall was next to mine last saturday at the market. They are
trying to save the wetlands of Louisiana by recycling Mardi Gras beads!

Good for them.

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http://www.research.noaa.gov/spotlit...unclimate.html

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Red wrote:


For me, I will have an open discussion on the merits of any political
point of view, as long as you aren't going off on a religious rant

Good (semi-amusing) article from the Daily Telegraph:


What was it, this frisson that passed between the young woman behind the
counter at Pret A Manger and me? It wasn't flirtation, exactly. It was
more conspiratorial than that. A knowing look. A social judgment shared.

As she asked me if I wanted a plastic bag for my two items - a (wild)
salmon sandwich and a banana - the man at the head of the queue next to
mine was asked the same question by another assistant. He had a sandwich
and an apple. The point is, I said no. He said yes. That was when the
look was exchanged.

That, I am ashamed to admit, was the moment I felt superior, if only by
one degree, if only for a second. The man had committed a faux pas. He
had transgressed an unwritten ethical code. He had fallen foul of the
new morality, which actually, if you think about it, is also the new
snobbery.

It is apparent everywhere. In a restaurant the other night our
companions asked us if we wanted sparkling water or whether we were
happy with a jug of tap. The clue to the correct answer was in the word
"happy". We went with the tap. It wasn't that we were being cheap - but
we probably were being a little smug. My wife and I are paid-up members
of the enlightened middle classes, you see. Our consciousnesses have
been raised. We are E, the modern equivalent of U.

Just as Nancy Mitford divided society into the upper classes and the
aspiring middle classes - that is, into U and Non-U - so society is
being divided into the environmentally aware and environmentally
unaware, or E and Non-E. It satisfies a need we seem to have to judge
one another.

The modern equivalent of saying "toilet", "serviette" or "pardon" is
leaving your television on stand-by, driving a Chelsea tractor, arriving
at Waitrose without your own heavy-duty carrier bags, popping into
Starbucks without your own reusable mug, walking past the shelves
selling organic, Fairtrade and free-range, or flying long-haul when you
don't really need to (and without offsetting your carbon footprint). I
tell you, it's a social minefield out there.

Even going to Glastonbury has become Non-E. I know - that surprises me,
too. I thought Glastonbury was the ultimate in environmental chic, a
demonstration that you suckle at the teat of Mother Earth, that you are
in touch with your inner solstice. But no - for the bien pensants,
Glastonbury is ruled out this year. And this comes straight from the
top: Thom Yorke, the lead singer of Radiohead. Why? Because it doesn't
have "an adequate public transport infrastructure in place". Radiohead,
he added in an article in the Sun on Thursday, "are doing everything we
can to minimise our impact on the environment".

Hmm. Could this be the moment when the backlash starts? It is, after
all, a scientifically verifiable fact there is nothing in this world
more annoying than being lectured by a pop star. According to this
premise, the blame for the Iraq war rests squarely on the shoulders of
Ms Dynamite. Had she not argued in March 2003 the invasion should not be
allowed to happen, it wouldn't have happened. Her annoying intervention
was, for George W Bush and Tony Blair, the tipping point.

Being harangued by a newspaper comes a close second. The Independent has
been banging the environmental drum for a few years now - ever since its
editor-in-chief, Simon Kelner, had lunch with Laurie David, Hollywood's
richest and most glamorous eco-warrior, the woman who holds "eco-salons"
for Leonardo Di Caprio, Cameron Diaz, Angelina Jolie et al. But at least
the Independent?'s heart is in the right place.

More disturbing is the come-lately arrival on the eco-worthy scene of
the Daily Mail. About five years ago that paper's standard response to
an eco story was merciless ridicule. Last week it dedicated its front
page to a campaign to stop us using plastic bags. Perhaps its canny
editor had tested the air and knew that Sainsbury's and Tesco were about
to announce plans to reduce plastic bags by a billion a year anyway.
Hmm, again.

Being lectured by a posh person comes third. I wonder how much longer
the green revolution took to filter into the mainstream because the
Prince of Wales was leading it. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a
visionary, a true philosopher prince. But given that the other two
leading figures in the green movement, the Eton-educated Jonathon
Porritt and the Stowe-educated George Monbiot, are also pretty posh,
there may have been some inverted snobbery in the slowness of the eco
uptake.

On the other hand, perhaps in some subliminal way this association of
greenness with poshness explains the current vogue for going green among
the aspiring middle classes. David Cameron (Eton-educated, of course,
and for once this seems relevant to the discussion) has been canny in
the way he has exploited this fashion.

I hope there isn't a backlash, by the way. I'm all for recycling,
sustainability, diversity, lowering carbon emissions and everything. But
I do think the eco-awareness game has to be played more subtly than it
is being played at the moment. When the BSE scare was at its height,
there were those contrarians among us who made a point of ordering rare
beef as a gesture of defiance. Others deliberately wore fur when that
became the cause clebre.

When councils start preaching at us, that really winds us up. If people
were allowed to use recycling bins when they needed to, I reckon they
would. But we resent being treated like children and told we can't have
collections every week because we don't know what's best for us.

And how galling it must be for my parents' generation to be told not to
waste things when they have lived through rationing and know all about
the benefits of frugality. If there is one thing the British hate more
than having their environment needlessly destroyed, overheated or
squandered, it is being preached at by busybodies, puritans and snobs.

The eco-snobs are the worst. It is not enough they get to feel better
about themselves for doing the right thing environmentally; they have to
make someone else feel worse. Make them feel small, vulgar, immoral. I
caught myself doing it in that queue the other day. And shame on me for
that.

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Molesworth wrote:
In article ,
Red wrote:

Capt. JG sent a link to a Democrap fundraising front:
Interesting map... of course, the Sierra Club must be lying...

http://www.sierraclub.org/globalwarming/maps/map2.pdf


-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com

I won't even bother to read what that organization has to say about
anything. Their past performance suggests they are totally incapable of
telling the truth. They are a political party fundraising front, and
nothing more. Just to be fair, I don't read anything from political
fundraising fronts from either side.

There stall was next to mine last saturday at the market. They are
trying to save the wetlands of Louisiana by recycling Mardi Gras beads!

Good for them.


Wasn't it the president of the S club that clearcut his own property?
G

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"mr.b" wrote in message
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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:43:35 -0500, Red wrote:

snip

pot=kettle=black

*plonk*


Nah... don't plonk him... he's not that bad.

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ed


Actually, I did support nukular energy until I realized that's actually much
more polluting as far as carbon goes. Lots of people, including me, forgot
about all the mining, refining, processing required. It's not a panacea, and
it's only clean at the end of the process (not really though if you think
about the long-term storage requirements for the spent fuel rods).

I would certainly support fusion, but that's still many decades away.


I love the nuclear arguments. The NIMBYs' scream no. The safety crowd
says no. The what do you do with the waste crowd says no.

And all the time there are scores of nuclear warships in or near
every major US port.
Gordon

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"Molesworth" wrote in message
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Good (semi-amusing) article from the Daily Telegraph:

Very amusing...

And how galling it must be for my parents' generation to be told not to
waste things when they have lived through rationing and know all about
the benefits of frugality. If there is one thing the British hate more
than having their environment needlessly destroyed, overheated or
squandered, it is being preached at by busybodies, puritans and snobs.

Actually, my parents were very conscious about not wasting things, even
being one of the first couples in the area where they lived to attempt
recycling. My father was less enthusiastic than my mom. And, he used to idle
his huge gas-guzzler for 1/2 hour or so before he would drive it 10 minutes
to the store... even drove the dog crazy who was I think bothered by the
idling and would wildly bark at the garage until my father would either
leave or my mom would tell him to shut it off or leave.

The eco-snobs are the worst. It is not enough they get to feel better
about themselves for doing the right thing environmentally; they have to
make someone else feel worse. Make them feel small, vulgar, immoral. I
caught myself doing it in that queue the other day. And shame on me for
that.

You mean other people are not small, vulgar, and immoral?? Wow. Ok. LOL

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"Molesworth" wrote in message
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In article ,
Red wrote:

Capt. JG sent a link to a Democrap fundraising front:
Interesting map... of course, the Sierra Club must be lying...

http://www.sierraclub.org/globalwarming/maps/map2.pdf


-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com

I won't even bother to read what that organization has to say about
anything. Their past performance suggests they are totally incapable of
telling the truth. They are a political party fundraising front, and
nothing more. Just to be fair, I don't read anything from political
fundraising fronts from either side.

There stall was next to mine last saturday at the market. They are
trying to save the wetlands of Louisiana by recycling Mardi Gras beads!

Good for them.

--
Molesworth


That sounds so cool. I have a bunch of them... where do I send them?


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