cavelamb himself wrote:


From Wiki:
A shipmate is literally a mate on one's own ship, ie. a member of the
same crew. A sailor of the oceans and seas who demonstrates selfless
dedication and loyalty, putting the crew, the ship and the mission above
his/her self interests.


So...

Who on this list would you prefer to ship with?

What Jere said. He was the first one I thought of when you posed this
question. But in general anyone outside my immediate family who has a
positive attitude is probably going to be a good shipmate. (I exclude
my immediate family because a) none of them participate in this
newsgroup b) even when they don't have a positive attitude, I would
still sail with them because I love them.

And who would you avoid at all costs?

The other side of the coin - people who can do nothing but find fault
and sneer (whether they do it politely using a large non-blasphemous
and non-scatological vocabulary or not) are not good prospects as a
shipmate.

"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:15:26 -0800 (PST), Bob said:

For the same reason that once enjoyed sport scuba alone,,,

I wouldn't dive alone on a bet. Navy training I guess. (Of course at this
point I prolly wouldn't dive at all. It's been about 35 years since I
did.)

I sold a sailboat to a young guy, back around early 90's. He gave me a
deposit,
was supposed to pick up the equipment and give me the balance the
following
week.. That weekend he died in a diving accident. Why? Because he stayed
down by himself when his partner gave him the signal that she was low on
air.

He got caught on some wire on the bottom of Gloucester harbor or
thereabouts.

Dead..

There is a reason not to dive alone.
I found that out the hard way a long time ago. It was in the Mediterranean
and I joined a diving school. We had done the pool based course and were off
an island doing our first real dives.We were all low on air so we came up
and the others got out.. I was still breathing Ok and had not activated the
reserve supply so the instructor let me go down again. I was a novice and
did not realise he should not have done so. I went down about 20' and when
it became hard to draw breath I reached to pull down the lever to activate
the reserve, only to find it was already down, having presumably caught
something while I was in the boat so all the air was gone, including the
reserve.
.. I kicked off the bottom and just made it up-probably got a little bit more
air from the bottle as the pressure fell but the fresh air felt really good.
Another hard learned lesson-and it was a well regarded diving school too,
not a cowboy outfit..

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:57:08 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

The last time I saw Doug he was racing up the Caloosahatchie River in
a powerboat at close to 40 kts and leaving a wake. That was last
Saturday.



Was he being responsible for his wake?

No, he was riding in my boat. :-) There were no sail boats in sight
and power boaters wake each other all the time with no one getting
very excited about it.



Sound like the perfect situation!

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"Edgar" wrote in message
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"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:15:26 -0800 (PST), Bob said:

For the same reason that once enjoyed sport scuba alone,,,

I wouldn't dive alone on a bet. Navy training I guess. (Of course at
this
point I prolly wouldn't dive at all. It's been about 35 years since I
did.)

I sold a sailboat to a young guy, back around early 90's. He gave me a
deposit,
was supposed to pick up the equipment and give me the balance the
following
week.. That weekend he died in a diving accident. Why? Because he
stayed
down by himself when his partner gave him the signal that she was low on
air.

He got caught on some wire on the bottom of Gloucester harbor or
thereabouts.

Dead..

There is a reason not to dive alone.
I found that out the hard way a long time ago. It was in the Mediterranean
and I joined a diving school. We had done the pool based course and were
off an island doing our first real dives.We were all low on air so we came
up and the others got out.. I was still breathing Ok and had not activated
the reserve supply so the instructor let me go down again. I was a novice
and did not realise he should not have done so. I went down about 20' and
when it became hard to draw breath I reached to pull down the lever to
activate the reserve, only to find it was already down, having presumably
caught something while I was in the boat so all the air was gone,
including the reserve.
. I kicked off the bottom and just made it up-probably got a little bit
more air from the bottle as the pressure fell but the fresh air felt
really good.
Another hard learned lesson-and it was a well regarded diving school too,
not a cowboy outfit..



I had a similar experience with my old double steel 52s with an old wire
reserve line on them. Ran out of air (got really hard to breathe) with my
double hose at about 60 feet deep off Catalina. I had one real 1/2 breath
left, but it was pretty easy to get to the top... just followed the
medium-size bubbles and exhaled slowly the whole way. I didn't think it was
a big deal at the time, but I did remove the wire from the valve. :-)


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"Dan Best" wrote in message
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Ernest Scribbler wrote:
"cavelamb himself" wrote
And who would you avoid at all costs?

I'd never set foot on a boat that would allow someone like me aboard.


I always did love Groucho.

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B-2/75 1977-1979
Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean" http://triciajean192.home.comcast.net


I think he's channelling Woody Allen...

Nice boat btw..

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"Capt. JG" wrote
http://triciajean192.home.comcast.net
Nice boat btw..

Yeah, but what's he doin' with *my* number?
http://home.comcast.net/~blizzard3/g...versailing.jpg

On Feb 25, 7:48*am, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
wrote:
" That weekend he died in a diving accident. *Why? *Because he stayed
down by himself when his partner gave him the signal that she was low on
air.

He got caught on some wire on the bottom of Gloucester harbor or
thereabouts.

Dead..

There is a reason not to dive alone.


Hello,
Looks lie we strayed off topic but just couldnt let your words go un
anwered.............

You say there is not reason ot dive alone.........................
well your examle is exactly why I still dive alone. The dumb ****
killed himself and if the buddy was there I suspect that the buddy's
chance of getting drug down just increased many fold.

Lets see a common "buddy dive." Start on the beach they take 10 times
longer to get their **** on, but forget somthing and have to borrow
it. They flounder around and step on my mask and bread the lense.
Whine for help getting their fins of cause their so Fing fat or out of
shape. Then they get in the water cant get heavy cause they dont know
the first thing about bouancy controll so then once off the surface
they keep bumping into me, then crash on the bottom and stir up all
the silt makeing for zero visibility, then cause they used all their
air with that boyancy thingy and huffing and puffing cause theyre
freaked out and out of shape burn though a tank in 20 min and start
tuging at me to go to the surface with them cause "were buddies" ANd
thats a good dive. Now when under water and they feak out and start
grabbing my regulator and crawling all over me cause they are paniced
thats a whole diffent other story. Then I do my best to make them a
"passive victom"

So keep your buddy system. Its a pain in the ass and life threatning
at times.

To the USN Diver........... Very professional bunch. My only complaint
with those guys is it takes 20 to do the job of 4. Lets see how many
do you need to do a No D surface air jump. Main Diver 1, and 1 tender.
Standby Diver 1 and 1 tender. ONe guy in the water, One guy tending,
Standby Diver running the air box, other tender ready to run airbox if
Standby Diver needs to go in the water. Now on the other hand if it
were a navy job.................

bob

Ernest Scribbler wrote:
I'd never set foot on a boat that would allow someone like me aboard.

Then I wrote:
I always did love Groucho.

Then Capt. JG wrote:
I think he's channelling Woody Allen...

Nice boat btw..

Then Ernest Scribbler wrote:
Yeah, but what's he doin' with *my* number?
http://home.comcast.net/~blizzard3/g...versailing.jpg


I'd always thought that Goucho Marx was the originater of “I’d never be
a member of a club that’d have me as a member.” I was surprised that a
quick search on it found it being attributed not only him, but to W. C.
Fields and Woody Allen as well. I guess great minds think alike.

And thanks, Capt. JG for the compliment. I agree. It's a very nice
boat and it's a rare time that I find myself aboard and at some point
don't tell myself, "Gawd, I love this boat!"

As far as using Ernest Scribbler's number, I've no idea which of us had
it first. Tricia Jean was built in 1979 (the 192'nd Tayana 37 built),
but I've only had her since 2001, though we've logged close to 20,000 nm
in her during that time. Yours is also a might fine looking vessel.
Built for a different purpose, but none-the-less, a great example of the
class.

Regards,
--
Dan Best
s/v Tricia Jean, Tayana 37 #192
http://home.comcast.net/~triciajean192/

"Bob" wrote in message
...
On Feb 25, 7:48 am, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
wrote:
" That weekend he died in a diving accident. Why? Because he stayed
down by himself when his partner gave him the signal that she was low on
air.

He got caught on some wire on the bottom of Gloucester harbor or
thereabouts.

Dead..

There is a reason not to dive alone.


Hello,
Looks lie we strayed off topic but just couldnt let your words go un
anwered.............

You say there is not reason ot dive alone.........................
well your examle is exactly why I still dive alone. The dumb ****
killed himself and if the buddy was there I suspect that the buddy's
chance of getting drug down just increased many fold.

Lets see a common "buddy dive." Start on the beach they take 10 times
longer to get their **** on, but forget somthing and have to borrow
it. They flounder around and step on my mask and bread the lense.
Whine for help getting their fins of cause their so Fing fat or out of
shape. Then they get in the water cant get heavy cause they dont know
the first thing about bouancy controll so then once off the surface
they keep bumping into me, then crash on the bottom and stir up all
the silt makeing for zero visibility, then cause they used all their
air with that boyancy thingy and huffing and puffing cause theyre
freaked out and out of shape burn though a tank in 20 min and start
tuging at me to go to the surface with them cause "were buddies" ANd
thats a good dive. Now when under water and they feak out and start
grabbing my regulator and crawling all over me cause they are paniced
thats a whole diffent other story. Then I do my best to make them a
"passive victom"

So keep your buddy system. Its a pain in the ass and life threatning
at times.

bob


Part of your responsibility is to choose a buddy responsibly not just hope
for a responsible. You don't start off with a challenging dive with a new
buddy. Diving a lone is much more dangerous over all.

Same is true for long-distance sailing. You don't choose whomever shows at
the dock for something like that. I teach novice sailors, so you don't have
much choice for day sailing. But, you do have a choice otherwise. I single
hand my sailboat quite a bit. It's not because finding a sailing buddy would
be dangerous. It's just not convenient necessarily.

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"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
et...
"Capt. JG" wrote
http://triciajean192.home.comcast.net
Nice boat btw..

Yeah, but what's he doin' with *my* number?
http://home.comcast.net/~blizzard3/g...versailing.jpg



Don't complain... whatever he did increased the water line. LOL

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