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I've never done this before, so I feel pretty clewless (clueless for
lubbers). Has anybody had to move a fairly big boat overland? I need to move a Hunter 38 - in Washington state, down to Houston (texas). I've googled up some boat movers - but - what to look for? what to watch out for? What extra expenses to plan on? Is there a better way? |
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On Feb 8, 1:40*am, cavalamb himself wrote:
I've never done this before, so I feel pretty clewless (clueless for lubbers). Has anybody had to move a fairly big boat overland? I need to move a Hunter 38 - in Washington state, down to Houston (texas). I've googled up some boat movers - but - what to look for? Maximum height and width - varies by trailer configuration .... if oversize (as it sits on a trailer) may cost double If an escort vehicle (with 'pole') has to be used ... sometimes you have to remove bow pulpits, etc. to be less than the 'on the trailer' required clearances. The clearances arent usually a problem when on Interstate Highways .... its all the damn small roads at the origin and the destination that have the most clearance restrictions, etc. what to watch out for? Reputation of the carrier, that the 'carrier' doesnt 'sub-let' to other carriers, insurance - yours and theirs. What extra expenses to plan on? hauling, mast removal and prep. including 'complete winterizing' .. especially if the route is going 'high' through the mountains. Prep includes mast mounting/bubble-wrapping to the trailer (yard charges) so the transport doesnt rub the anodizing off the mast, sealing the boat from road grime (at windspeeds of 70+mph for days on end), etc. etc. Is there a better way? Sail it around if you have the time. Or sail it to So. Cal and truck from there ... less *total* $$$ per mile charges. |
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On 2008-02-08 03:02:13 -0500, RichH said:
Is there a better way? Sail it around if you have the time. Or sail it to So. Cal and truck from there ... less *total* $$$ per mile charges. I'm all for sailing a sailboat, but I gotta say that some movements are more suited to overland than mucking about on the water. The original poster strikes both of us as a newbie, NOT someone I would comfortably recommend sailing from WA to anywhere, as that coast isn't friendly. And it doesn't get much better for a newbie anywhere along the path to TX. Thus, I'd say the proper path in this case is trucking it overland. For full disclosure, I've been considering the possibility of "trucking" our boat to the BVI on a freighter or "float-on transporter", then drifting downwind as we discovered the eastern Caribbean. The cost of getting to the BVI upwind on her own keel is likely considerably greater, and a possible relationship-breaker. We can do downwind without even breathing hard. I've enjoyed the the "do it" club, but have found that the "enjoy it" club is a lot more fun. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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RichH wrote:
On Feb 8, 1:40 am, cavalamb himself wrote: I've never done this before, so I feel pretty clewless (clueless for lubbers). Has anybody had to move a fairly big boat overland? I need to move a Hunter 38 - in Washington state, down to Houston (texas). I've googled up some boat movers - but - what to look for? Maximum height and width - varies by trailer configuration .... if oversize (as it sits on a trailer) may cost double If an escort vehicle (with 'pole') has to be used ... sometimes you have to remove bow pulpits, etc. to be less than the 'on the trailer' required clearances. The clearances arent usually a problem when on Interstate Highways .... its all the damn small roads at the origin and the destination that have the most clearance restrictions, etc. Beam is easy - 12'11" 18,000 pounds displacement. The mast is probably about 50 feet long!?! Height - I'd have to guesstimate - 5' draft + 6'6 headroom + ? probably 15 or 16 feet from bottom of keel to the top of the arch. Add 3 or 4 feet for the trailer and we are looking at nearly 20 feet height! Well, Hunter shipped the thing up here (from Florida!) some how! what to watch out for? Reputation of the carrier, that the 'carrier' doesnt 'sub-let' to other carriers, insurance - yours and theirs. Didn't know about the sub-let question. Thanks, Rich. What extra expenses to plan on? hauling, mast removal and prep. including 'complete winterizing' .. especially if the route is going 'high' through the mountains. Prep includes mast mounting/bubble-wrapping to the trailer (yard charges) so the transport doesnt rub the anodizing off the mast, sealing the boat from road grime (at windspeeds of 70+mph for days on end), etc. etc. Is there a better way? Sail it around if you have the time. Or sail it to So. Cal and truck from there ... less *total* $$$ per mile charges. That looks like about 1500 miles straight across verses 2300 from Washington. But all the other fixed expenses would still apply. As for the Sail-It option: I was told by the people at the marina up there that the Columbia River is navigable (via locks) all the way to the Pacific (Astoria, Oregon). But I haven't been able to confirm that yet. I haven't got the charts yet. I was hoping someone here on the list might know? I have the time to sail it around. But not that much blue water experience. I've been out in the Gulf a few times is all. This would be - by far - my longest voyage so far. But then - that was the idea after all - go cruise for a while... Well, we'll know more in just a few weeks. |
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"cavalamb himself" wrote in message ... Jere Lull wrote: On 2008-02-08 03:02:13 -0500, RichH said: Is there a better way? Sail it around if you have the time. Or sail it to So. Cal and truck from there ... less *total* $$$ per mile charges. I'm all for sailing a sailboat, but I gotta say that some movements are more suited to overland than mucking about on the water. The original poster strikes both of us as a newbie, NOT someone I would comfortably recommend sailing from WA to anywhere, as that coast isn't friendly. And it doesn't get much better for a newbie anywhere along the path to TX. Thus, I'd say the proper path in this case is trucking it overland. For full disclosure, I've been considering the possibility of "trucking" our boat to the BVI on a freighter or "float-on transporter", then drifting downwind as we discovered the eastern Caribbean. The cost of getting to the BVI upwind on her own keel is likely considerably greater, and a possible relationship-breaker. We can do downwind without even breathing hard. I've enjoyed the the "do it" club, but have found that the "enjoy it" club is a lot more fun. Copy all, Jere. I may have missed some details. In what condition is this sailboat? Have you figured how much money is required to fix this boat if needed. Can you get insurance coverage without a survey? As for land transport I would check for a roll back quote. Every year Canadian are buying new and used boat in the states. Many times Canadian carriers (licensed and insured) have to go in the US empty to bring back sailboats. They are more than happy to stop for a pick up on their way to their destination. You have to work with the carriers well in advance so they can plan their schedules. You should get at least three quotes. |
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"Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2008020807231375249-jerelull@maccom... On 2008-02-08 03:02:13 -0500, RichH said: Is there a better way? Sail it around if you have the time. Or sail it to So. Cal and truck from there ... less *total* $$$ per mile charges. I'm all for sailing a sailboat, but I gotta say that some movements are more suited to overland than mucking about on the water. The original poster strikes both of us as a newbie, NOT someone I would comfortably recommend sailing from WA to anywhere, as that coast isn't friendly. And it doesn't get much better for a newbie anywhere along the path to TX. Thus, I'd say the proper path in this case is trucking it overland. For full disclosure, I've been considering the possibility of "trucking" our boat to the BVI on a freighter or "float-on transporter", then drifting downwind as we discovered the eastern Caribbean. The cost of getting to the BVI upwind on her own keel is likely considerably greater, and a possible relationship-breaker. We can do downwind without even breathing hard. I've enjoyed the the "do it" club, but have found that the "enjoy it" club is a lot more fun. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ mmm BVI! My buddy sent me an e-mail to check out the Saba Rock webcam. His boat is supposed to be moored just off the Freedom Yachts slips not too far from the Bitter End yacht Club. |
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Roger Long wrote:
I would agree. Trucking "Strider" from Detroit to Maine was one of the best decisions I ever made about the boat. I would have had to make the trip in a few stages. By the time I totaled up the cost of airfare (crew and myself), fuel, food, etc. the truck didn't cost "much" more (we're talking boat bucks here). As it turned out, I would have spent huge amounts of time jury rigging and fixing things that were much more easily dealt with in my home town shipyard and full support. The time delays that would have occured on the trip would have tipped the cost balance far in favor of the truck. Save your long trips for a debugged boat you know well. The move was painless. I met the guy in a parking lot and gave him three grand in cash. He came highly recommended but I was a bit nervous that there might be security cameras around and the police would want to discuss the possibility of a dope deal with me:) A week later, the boat was sitting on her jackstands in the yard. -- Roger Long I'm glad to hear you guys say that, Roger and Jere. It's very much in line with my thinking as well. I was actually kind of hesitant about even broaching the subject here (what with the bravado some of our favorite posters provide). I'd be happy to shove off from Galveston for the islands now. My home waters that I've sailed a few times before. But the California coast all the way to the Ditch is a whole 'nother deal entirely. I've got nothing to prove - and a lot to learn before I'll feel ready for that one. So... It's looking something around $6000 for transport plus the extra costs of yard work and prep. Probably in the 10k to 12k range total? It's a strange story, I guess. Dorothy has taken to sailing enthusiastically. We've been looking at larger boats with the intent of coastal crusing in the Gulf for a while. But mostly the ones that I can afford are older Catalinas. Pearsons, etc. Well, the best boat in the world is the one you are sailing! Then this comes along. This boat belonged to D's uncle - who passed away recently. None of his kids are interested in it. Cash and cars? Yeah! But the sailboats? Get real! So she asked for it. Auntie is ok with it - so we are patiently waiting (on pins and needles) for 90 days to pass. That will be the end of next month. The question now is, if we actually get the boat, how do we do it? Move the boat down here? Or move us up there? Either way, if it happens - life is going to change... Richard |
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Jere Lull wrote:
On 2008-02-08 03:02:13 -0500, RichH said: Is there a better way? Sail it around if you have the time. Or sail it to So. Cal and truck from there ... less *total* $$$ per mile charges. I'm all for sailing a sailboat, but I gotta say that some movements are more suited to overland than mucking about on the water. The original poster strikes both of us as a newbie, NOT someone I would comfortably recommend sailing from WA to anywhere, as that coast isn't friendly. And it doesn't get much better for a newbie anywhere along the path to TX. Thus, I'd say the proper path in this case is trucking it overland. For full disclosure, I've been considering the possibility of "trucking" our boat to the BVI on a freighter or "float-on transporter", then drifting downwind as we discovered the eastern Caribbean. The cost of getting to the BVI upwind on her own keel is likely considerably greater, and a possible relationship-breaker. We can do downwind without even breathing hard. I've enjoyed the the "do it" club, but have found that the "enjoy it" club is a lot more fun. Copy all, Jere. |
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:47:14 -0800, cavalamb himself
wrote: Auntie is ok with it - so we are patiently waiting (on pins and needles) for 90 days to pass. That will be the end of next month. A free 38 footer in good condition is definitely worth the trucking expense anywhere in the US. I'd recommend getting a hull and engine survey before accepting it however. You'll probably need it for insurance anyway, and might keep you from inheriting (and trucking) a white elephant. |
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:32:24 -0800, cavalamb himself
wrote: I have the time to sail it around. But not that much blue water experience. I've been out in the Gulf a few times is all. Trucking has a lot to recommend it, even for the experienced. For the inexperienced it is no choice at all. |
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The Columbia is navigable. Don't know where your boat is but tri cities down is fine. Might have to reef in the gorge tho.! The Pacific coast can be tough. Not many good hideyholes. Most harbors have bars to cross. Best to go 150 miles out and head south. As for trucking, check with a freight forwarding company. Neighbor saver a bundle that way on a used life raft. Also, craigslist has ads occasionally. G As for the Sail-It option: I was told by the people at the marina up there that the Columbia River is navigable (via locks) all the way to the Pacific (Astoria, Oregon). But I haven't been able to confirm that yet. I haven't got the charts yet. I was hoping someone here on the list might know? I have the time to sail it around. But not that much blue water experience. I've been out in the Gulf a few times is all. This would be - by far - my longest voyage so far. But then - that was the idea after all - go cruise for a while... Well, we'll know more in just a few weeks. |
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"cavalamb himself" wrote in message
... I've never done this before, so I feel pretty clewless (clueless for lubbers). Has anybody had to move a fairly big boat overland? I need to move a Hunter 38 - in Washington state, down to Houston (texas). I've googled up some boat movers - but - what to look for? what to watch out for? What extra expenses to plan on? Is there a better way? There isn't really... the west coast, as others have said, or maybe it was you, can be a bummer in the wrong conditions. On the other hand, you'll be headed south, and if you pick your weather window properly, getting her to SF or SD shouldn't be a big deal. The rest of the trip is long also of course, and there are weather issues beyond Mexico, but the weather (with a good window) would be fine. I took a slightly large boat from SF to Cabo following the Baha-Haha a number of years ago (they leave late-Oct/early-Nov), and we didn't even get a light rain until the last night. The weather was perfect and we made a steady 5kts VMG day in and day out. Of course, if you're at all in a rush, then overland is better time and logistically speaking. If you decide to sail her, let me know. I'd possibly be interested in hitching a ride. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Don White" wrote in message
... "Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2008020807231375249-jerelull@maccom... On 2008-02-08 03:02:13 -0500, RichH said: Is there a better way? Sail it around if you have the time. Or sail it to So. Cal and truck from there ... less *total* $$$ per mile charges. I'm all for sailing a sailboat, but I gotta say that some movements are more suited to overland than mucking about on the water. The original poster strikes both of us as a newbie, NOT someone I would comfortably recommend sailing from WA to anywhere, as that coast isn't friendly. And it doesn't get much better for a newbie anywhere along the path to TX. Thus, I'd say the proper path in this case is trucking it overland. For full disclosure, I've been considering the possibility of "trucking" our boat to the BVI on a freighter or "float-on transporter", then drifting downwind as we discovered the eastern Caribbean. The cost of getting to the BVI upwind on her own keel is likely considerably greater, and a possible relationship-breaker. We can do downwind without even breathing hard. I've enjoyed the the "do it" club, but have found that the "enjoy it" club is a lot more fun. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ mmm BVI! My buddy sent me an e-mail to check out the Saba Rock webcam. His boat is supposed to be moored just off the Freedom Yachts slips not too far from the Bitter End yacht Club. Damn... nice spot... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"cavalamb himself" wrote: I've never done this before, so I feel pretty clewless (clueless for lubbers). Has anybody had to move a fairly big boat overland? I need to move a Hunter 38 - in Washington state, down to Houston (texas). I've googled up some boat movers - but - what to look for? what to watch out for? What extra expenses to plan on? Is there a better way? Just went thru an exercise of getting quotes on moving a large boat. Based on that experience, would give serious consideration to either selling existing boat "where is, as is" and buying replacement in Texas, or shipping by water since boat is less than 40 ft. Shipping overland will be probably big$, compared to other options, IMHO. Lew |
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On Feb 8, 12:40*am, cavalamb himself wrote:
I've never done this before, so I feel pretty clewless (clueless for lubbers). Has anybody had to move a fairly big boat overland? I need to move a Hunter 38 - in Washington state, down to Houston (texas). I've googled up some boat movers - but - what to look for? what to watch out for? What extra expenses to plan on? Is there a better way? Let me know what you find out on trucking rates and size restrictions please. I've got my eye on a 47 ft steel hull in that general area. I know I'd have to cut off the wheelhouse but that's easy enough. I'm interested in height restrictions more than anything. I do like the ideal of sailing south to somewhere like San Diego then putting it on a truck to Houston. Where are you going to keep it here in Houston? Joe |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:47:14 -0800, cavalamb himself wrote: Auntie is ok with it - so we are patiently waiting (on pins and needles) for 90 days to pass. That will be the end of next month. A free 38 footer in good condition is definitely worth the trucking expense anywhere in the US. On the other hand 12K will go a *long* way toward refitting, and Puget Sound is probably the best sheltered cruising area in the world. The perfect place to get your feet wet, if not cruise steady for a year or two *then* find the perfect time to take it out in the ocean, if you still want to. I'd recommend getting a hull and engine survey before accepting it however. You'll probably need it for insurance anyway, and might keep you from inheriting (and trucking) a white elephant. If you find a good surveyor, it will also give you a good start on the most pressing jobs needing done even if you aren't able to insure the boat. Stephen |
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On Feb 8, 8:30*am, Gordon wrote:
* *The Columbia is navigable. Don't know where your boat is but tri cities down is fine. There is a sailing club near Tri-Cities AKA Kennewick-Pasco-Richland. Ive talked to few and they are good people. SOme are ex curisers. Most likley you wont get a google hit if you use TriCities. Search each city by name. Ive "sailed" the Columbia River from Astoria to RM 320 just below Pasco, WA. i think 4-5 RTs. The river is fun depending where the wind is. Blowing 30 mph gusting to 40mps on the nose is no fun. I think I avaraged 0.3 to 0.5K over the ground one 8 hour leg. The big problem are the LOCKS and when I say L O C K S I mean terrifying at times. if you have a keel your boat will SLAM into the concrete wall and your toe rail will lodge in a crack as you go up. email me for all full deatils. NOt at all like the cute little three fold broucure the Corps puts out. Then there are lock schedules a few times each day. It changes seasonally so get the latest info. It wont be in the printed COast Pilot No 8. SO why bother sailing an unkown boat with limmited skills along one of the most dangerous streaches of the pacific? THey dont call it the Grave Yard of the Pacific for nutin. * *The Pacific coast can be tough. Not many good hideyholes. Most harbors have bars to cross. Best to go 150 miles out and head south. This is excellent advice! ! ! there aitn nuthing from Neha Bay, WA untill Grays Harbor. Its a long 18 hour motor south in good weather 20-30K NW seas 12'-18' . You'll get there in the dark. ANd pray you dont run over the 1000s of dungeness crab pot lines/bouys. That would ruin your motor/sail down * *As for trucking, check with a freight forwarding company. Neighbor saver a bundle that way on a used life raft. MOre EXCELLENT advice above....... Bob |
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On Feb 7, 10:40*pm, cavalamb himself wrote:
Hi: These guys know about the way upper Columbia River. But Id just truck it if it was my boat. Youre in for a long hard sail IF you make it at all. ........alive Walla Walla Yacht Club Address: Walla Walla Yacht Club, Inc. PO Box 1223 Walla Walla, Washington 99362 Phone: 509-547-4946 I dont know if the numbers are current. They are a pretty causual group. Bob |
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On Feb 8, 8:41*pm, cavalamb himself wrote:
Joe wrote: On Feb 8, 12:40 am, cavalamb himself wrote: I've never done this before, so I feel pretty clewless (clueless for lubbers). Has anybody had to move a fairly big boat overland? I need to move a Hunter 38 - in Washington state, down to Houston (texas). I've googled up some boat movers - but - what to look for? what to watch out for? What extra expenses to plan on? Is there a better way? Let me know what you find out on trucking rates and size restrictions please. I've got my eye on a 47 ft steel hull in that general area. I know I'd have to cut off the wheelhouse but that's easy enough. I'm interested in height restrictions more than anything. *I do like the ideal of sailing south to somewhere like San Diego then putting it on a truck to Houston. Where are you going to keep it here in Houston? Joe Golly Joe, I haven't had a chance to even look yet. Do you have any recommendations? Other than dinging the net for marinas in the area, which returned more choices that I can possibly run down. Dorothy says Corpus is "out" - dunno why but won't argue. I'm leaning towards the Seabrook area. Clear Lake was a lot more interesting when all we had to consider was the C-18. *3 foot draft verses 5 feet. But it seems Clear Lake gets kinda think at times. Richard- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What do you want, and what do you want to pay? Joe |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"cavalamb himself" wrote in message ... I've never done this before, so I feel pretty clewless (clueless for lubbers). Has anybody had to move a fairly big boat overland? I need to move a Hunter 38 - in Washington state, down to Houston (texas). I've googled up some boat movers - but - what to look for? what to watch out for? What extra expenses to plan on? Is there a better way? There isn't really... the west coast, as others have said, or maybe it was you, can be a bummer in the wrong conditions. On the other hand, you'll be headed south, and if you pick your weather window properly, getting her to SF or SD shouldn't be a big deal. The rest of the trip is long also of course, and there are weather issues beyond Mexico, but the weather (with a good window) would be fine. I took a slightly large boat from SF to Cabo following the Baha-Haha a number of years ago (they leave late-Oct/early-Nov), and we didn't even get a light rain until the last night. The weather was perfect and we made a steady 5kts VMG day in and day out. Of course, if you're at all in a rush, then overland is better time and logistically speaking. If you decide to sail her, let me know. I'd possibly be interested in hitching a ride. Hey! Now that might lean the equasion in favor of sailing. |
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Joe wrote:
On Feb 8, 12:40 am, cavalamb himself wrote: I've never done this before, so I feel pretty clewless (clueless for lubbers). Has anybody had to move a fairly big boat overland? I need to move a Hunter 38 - in Washington state, down to Houston (texas). I've googled up some boat movers - but - what to look for? what to watch out for? What extra expenses to plan on? Is there a better way? Let me know what you find out on trucking rates and size restrictions please. I've got my eye on a 47 ft steel hull in that general area. I know I'd have to cut off the wheelhouse but that's easy enough. I'm interested in height restrictions more than anything. I do like the ideal of sailing south to somewhere like San Diego then putting it on a truck to Houston. Where are you going to keep it here in Houston? Joe Golly Joe, I haven't had a chance to even look yet. Do you have any recommendations? Other than dinging the net for marinas in the area, which returned more choices that I can possibly run down. Dorothy says Corpus is "out" - dunno why but won't argue. I'm leaning towards the Seabrook area. Clear Lake was a lot more interesting when all we had to consider was the C-18. 3 foot draft verses 5 feet. But it seems Clear Lake gets kinda think at times. Richard |
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Joe wrote:
On Feb 8, 8:41 pm, cavalamb himself wrote: Joe wrote: On Feb 8, 12:40 am, cavalamb himself wrote: I've never done this before, so I feel pretty clewless (clueless for lubbers). Has anybody had to move a fairly big boat overland? I need to move a Hunter 38 - in Washington state, down to Houston (texas). I've googled up some boat movers - but - what to look for? what to watch out for? What extra expenses to plan on? Is there a better way? Let me know what you find out on trucking rates and size restrictions please. I've got my eye on a 47 ft steel hull in that general area. I know I'd have to cut off the wheelhouse but that's easy enough. I'm interested in height restrictions more than anything. I do like the ideal of sailing south to somewhere like San Diego then putting it on a truck to Houston. Where are you going to keep it here in Houston? Joe Golly Joe, I haven't had a chance to even look yet. Do you have any recommendations? Other than dinging the net for marinas in the area, which returned more choices that I can possibly run down. Dorothy says Corpus is "out" - dunno why but won't argue. I'm leaning towards the Seabrook area. Clear Lake was a lot more interesting when all we had to consider was the C-18. 3 foot draft verses 5 feet. But it seems Clear Lake gets kinda think at times. Richard- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What do you want, and what do you want to pay? Joe Live aboard. Clean restrooms and showers. Laundry and resturants near - within walking distance. High speed net at the pier (Dorothy's work) Friendly neighbors. I'd happily pay the going rate for all that... Richard |
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cavalamb himself wrote:
RichH wrote: On Feb 8, 1:40 am, cavalamb himself wrote: I've never done this before, so I feel pretty clewless (clueless for lubbers). Has anybody had to move a fairly big boat overland? I need to move a Hunter 38 - in Washington state, down to Houston (texas). I've googled up some boat movers - but - what to look for? Maximum height and width - varies by trailer configuration .... if oversize (as it sits on a trailer) may cost double If an escort vehicle (with 'pole') has to be used ... sometimes you have to remove bow pulpits, etc. to be less than the 'on the trailer' required clearances. The clearances arent usually a problem when on Interstate Highways .... its all the damn small roads at the origin and the destination that have the most clearance restrictions, etc. Beam is easy - 12'11" 18,000 pounds displacement. The mast is probably about 50 feet long!?! Height - I'd have to guesstimate - 5' draft + 6'6 headroom + ? probably 15 or 16 feet from bottom of keel to the top of the arch. Add 3 or 4 feet for the trailer and we are looking at nearly 20 feet height! Well, Hunter shipped the thing up here (from Florida!) some how! what to watch out for? Reputation of the carrier, that the 'carrier' doesnt 'sub-let' to other carriers, insurance - yours and theirs. Didn't know about the sub-let question. Thanks, Rich. What extra expenses to plan on? hauling, mast removal and prep. including 'complete winterizing' .. especially if the route is going 'high' through the mountains. Prep includes mast mounting/bubble-wrapping to the trailer (yard charges) so the transport doesnt rub the anodizing off the mast, sealing the boat from road grime (at windspeeds of 70+mph for days on end), etc. etc. Is there a better way? Sail it around if you have the time. Or sail it to So. Cal and truck from there ... less *total* $$$ per mile charges. That looks like about 1500 miles straight across verses 2300 from Washington. But all the other fixed expenses would still apply. As for the Sail-It option: I was told by the people at the marina up there that the Columbia River is navigable (via locks) all the way to the Pacific (Astoria, Oregon). But I haven't been able to confirm that yet. I haven't got the charts yet. I was hoping someone here on the list might know? I have the time to sail it around. But not that much blue water experience. I've been out in the Gulf a few times is all. This would be - by far - my longest voyage so far. But then - that was the idea after all - go cruise for a while... Well, we'll know more in just a few weeks. Faced with a similar problem when we bought a 50-foot yacht in Croatia (we live in Scotland) a few years ago, we looked at the distance (about the same as UK-US) and the problems of crewing right round Italy and Spain, air-fares, lack of available insurance in the winter months, cost of fuel, difficulty of crew arrangements etc., etc., and decided to move the boat overland through Europe and across the Channel As Croatia was still classed as a "war zone", and no haulage firm would go there, we had to sail her through the Adriatic a short distance to Slovenia, where a German trucking company picked her up and delivered her to Scotland in 3 days, arriving Christmas Eve! Although expensive, we reckoned we saved around £3000 and 4-5 weeks time. Go for it! A 38-footer is small fry compared to our yacht, and she presented no problems to the right contractor with the right equipent. Dennis. |
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On Feb 8, 7:32*am, cavalamb himself wrote:
RichH wrote: On Feb 8, 1:40 am, cavalamb himself wrote: I've never done this before, so I feel pretty clewless (clueless for lubbers). Has anybody had to move a fairly big boat overland? I need to move a Hunter 38 - in Washington state, down to Houston (texas). I've googled up some boat movers - but - what to look for? Maximum height and width - varies by trailer configuration .... if oversize (as it sits on a trailer) may cost double If an escort vehicle (with 'pole') has to be used ... *sometimes you have to remove bow pulpits, etc. to be less than the 'on the trailer' required clearances. *The clearances arent usually a problem when on Interstate Highways .... its all the damn small roads at the origin and the destination that have the most clearance restrictions, etc. Beam is easy - 12'11" 18,000 pounds displacement. The mast is probably about 50 feet long!?! Height - I'd have to guesstimate - 5' draft + 6'6 headroom + ? probably 15 or 16 feet from bottom of keel to the top of the arch. Add 3 or 4 feet for the trailer and we are looking at nearly 20 feet height! Well, Hunter shipped the thing up here (from Florida!) some how! what to watch out for? Reputation of the carrier, *that the 'carrier' doesnt 'sub-let' to other carriers, insurance - yours and theirs. Didn't know about the sub-let question. Thanks, Rich. What extra expenses to plan on? hauling, mast removal and prep. including 'complete winterizing' .. especially if the route is going 'high' through the mountains. * Prep includes mast mounting/bubble-wrapping to the trailer (yard charges) so the transport doesnt rub the anodizing off the mast, sealing the boat from road grime (at windspeeds of 70+mph for days on end), etc. etc. Is there a better way? * Sail it around if you have the time. Or sail it to So. Cal and truck from there ... less *total* $$$ per mile charges. That looks like about 1500 miles straight across verses 2300 from Washington. *But all the other fixed expenses would still apply. As for the Sail-It option: I was told by the people at the marina up there that the Columbia River is navigable (via locks) all the way to the Pacific (Astoria, Oregon). But I haven't been able to confirm that yet. I haven't got the charts yet. I was hoping someone here on the list might know? I have the time to sail it around. But not that much blue water experience. I've been out in the Gulf a few times is all. This would be - by far - my longest voyage so far. But then - that was the idea after all - go cruise for a while... Well, we'll know more in just a few weeks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you love to sail and have time to cruise. I would just do it. Hiring a captain to take you would be alot less than all of the charges for over the road. I do not have Pacific Ocean expirence, so it is just a thought. If you love sailing like I do just do it. |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message
... patgiron" wrote If you love to sail and have time to cruise. I would just do it. Hiring a captain to take you would be alot less than all of the charges for over the road. I do not have Pacific Ocean expirence, so it is just a thought. If you love sailing like I do just do it. Sure, no reason to let the fact that it's an unknown and unfamiliar boat and you have very little offshore experience hold you back. EPIRB's now provide your exact location, GPS makes navigation a snap. Modern radios are very good and the taxpayers very tolerant of rescuing sailors who get in over their heads. The boat isn't costing you much. If you get a little seasick or decide it's not the lifestyle for you, just hit the red button on DSC radio and wait for the chopper. People do it all the time. -- Roger Long I think he said "hiring a captain...." -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Feb 9, 3:40*pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
patgiron" wrote Sure, *no reason to let the fact that it's an unknown and unfamiliar boat and you have very little offshore experience hold you back. *EPIRB's now provide your exact location, GPS makes navigation a snap. * Modern radios are very good and the taxpayers very tolerant of rescuing sailors who get in over their heads. *The boat isn't costing you much. *If you get a little seasick or decide it's not the lifestyle for you, just hit the red button on DSC radio and wait for the chopper. People do it all the time. Roger Long HI Roger : Hummm let me see... Yes two boats do come to mind: 1) RedClown and Sweating Pig I am a devout conservitive. HIRE a LOCAL PNW skipper. Bob |
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"cavalamb himself" wrote in message
... Roger Long wrote: patgiron" wrote If you love to sail and have time to cruise. I would just do it. Hiring a captain to take you would be alot less than all of the charges for over the road. I do not have Pacific Ocean expirence, so it is just a thought. If you love sailing like I do just do it. Sure, no reason to let the fact that it's an unknown and unfamiliar boat and you have very little offshore experience hold you back. EPIRB's now provide your exact location, GPS makes navigation a snap. Modern radios are very good and the taxpayers very tolerant of rescuing sailors who get in over their heads. The boat isn't costing you much. If you get a little seasick or decide it's not the lifestyle for you, just hit the red button on DSC radio and wait for the chopper. People do it all the time. -- Roger Long I'm not rich enough to have that casual an attitude towards valuable and irreplacable property. And I pretty well know my limits at sea. We'll truck her down. I'll have about 10% of her value invested then - not much by rich man standards maybe. And I'm getting a lot more boat for the money than I expected to buy. That doesn't make her disposable... Richard Darn... thought I might get a ride south... definitely better than the other direction! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Roger Long wrote:
patgiron" wrote If you love to sail and have time to cruise. I would just do it. Hiring a captain to take you would be alot less than all of the charges for over the road. I do not have Pacific Ocean expirence, so it is just a thought. If you love sailing like I do just do it. Sure, no reason to let the fact that it's an unknown and unfamiliar boat and you have very little offshore experience hold you back. EPIRB's now provide your exact location, GPS makes navigation a snap. Modern radios are very good and the taxpayers very tolerant of rescuing sailors who get in over their heads. The boat isn't costing you much. If you get a little seasick or decide it's not the lifestyle for you, just hit the red button on DSC radio and wait for the chopper. People do it all the time. -- Roger Long I'm not rich enough to have that casual an attitude towards valuable and irreplacable property. And I pretty well know my limits at sea. We'll truck her down. I'll have about 10% of her value invested then - not much by rich man standards maybe. And I'm getting a lot more boat for the money than I expected to buy. That doesn't make her disposable... Richard |
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On Feb 9, 8:19*pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Bob" wrote Hummm let me see... Yes two boats do come to mind: 1) RedClown and Sweating Pig Letting the exceedingly poor taste pass, I wasn't referring to either of those boats. Well, sombody has to take up the slack since Willburr is MIA. Even the best found vessel and most experienced crew can come to grief. Agreed........ That's the nature of the sea. * DIsagree. Thats the nature of ill prepared operators. Red Cloud had three major failures, engine, steering, and hull integrity with many oil rigs to leeward. *That's not the kind of situation I'm talking about. ANd how did an "experinced" operator get in such a fix. That just doesnt all happen at once. Its a cascade of comedy. Captains are another issue and no guarantee of anything. NOt sure what you mean by that. But in my book the captain on a small boat is THE issue. Tell ya what, when you see my face on tv and describe as "terrifed to get into the water" yall can throw rubber chickens at me too. Bob |
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Roger Long wrote:
"cavalamb himself" wrote I'm not rich enough to have that casual an attitude towards valuable and irreplacable property. And I pretty well know my limits at sea. We'll truck her down. Good for you. You did see that the bulge in my cheek was my tongue did you not? -- Roger Long I _was_ hoping... :) |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"cavalamb himself" wrote in message ... Roger Long wrote: patgiron" wrote If you love to sail and have time to cruise. I would just do it. Hiring a captain to take you would be alot less than all of the charges for over the road. I do not have Pacific Ocean expirence, so it is just a thought. If you love sailing like I do just do it. Sure, no reason to let the fact that it's an unknown and unfamiliar boat and you have very little offshore experience hold you back. EPIRB's now provide your exact location, GPS makes navigation a snap. Modern radios are very good and the taxpayers very tolerant of rescuing sailors who get in over their heads. The boat isn't costing you much. If you get a little seasick or decide it's not the lifestyle for you, just hit the red button on DSC radio and wait for the chopper. People do it all the time. -- Roger Long I'm not rich enough to have that casual an attitude towards valuable and irreplacable property. And I pretty well know my limits at sea. We'll truck her down. I'll have about 10% of her value invested then - not much by rich man standards maybe. And I'm getting a lot more boat for the money than I expected to buy. That doesn't make her disposable... Richard Darn... thought I might get a ride south... definitely better than the other direction! There's probably room in the truck? |
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Roger Long wrote:
"cavalamb himself" wrote I'm not rich enough to have that casual an attitude towards valuable and irreplacable property. And I pretty well know my limits at sea. We'll truck her down. Good for you. You did see that the bulge in my cheek was my tongue did you not? -- Roger Long ASSuming, of course, that the others don't catch on in the next 6 weeks or so... |
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:16:32 -0800, cavalamb himself
wrote: I'm not rich enough to have that casual an attitude towards valuable and irreplacable property. And I pretty well know my limits at sea. We'll truck her down. I'll have about 10% of her value invested then - not much by rich man standards maybe. And I'm getting a lot more boat for the money than I expected to buy. That doesn't make her disposable... Good attitude, good decision. It's a long hard trip by water. |
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:46:10 -0500, WaIIy wrote:
Did you miss the "hire a captain" part? There's a lot more to safely delivering a boat over a long distance than hiring a captain. That's the last step, not the first. Survey, gear enhancement, sea trials and corrective actions are the first order of business. All of that takes time, experience and expert advice. |
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On Feb 10, 12:25*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:46:10 -0500, WaIIy wrote: Did you miss the "hire a captain" part? There's a lot more to safely delivering a boat over a long distance than hiring a captain. *That's the last step, not the first. *Survey, gear enhancement, sea trials and corrective actions are the first order of business. *All of that takes time, experience and expert advice. ANd I think one other,,,,,, now what could that be..... Oh yes.... LOTS OF MONEY in a strange port with few friends for support.... TRUCK IT ! bob |
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"cavalamb himself" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "cavalamb himself" wrote in message ... Roger Long wrote: patgiron" wrote If you love to sail and have time to cruise. I would just do it. Hiring a captain to take you would be alot less than all of the charges for over the road. I do not have Pacific Ocean expirence, so it is just a thought. If you love sailing like I do just do it. Sure, no reason to let the fact that it's an unknown and unfamiliar boat and you have very little offshore experience hold you back. EPIRB's now provide your exact location, GPS makes navigation a snap. Modern radios are very good and the taxpayers very tolerant of rescuing sailors who get in over their heads. The boat isn't costing you much. If you get a little seasick or decide it's not the lifestyle for you, just hit the red button on DSC radio and wait for the chopper. People do it all the time. -- Roger Long I'm not rich enough to have that casual an attitude towards valuable and irreplacable property. And I pretty well know my limits at sea. We'll truck her down. I'll have about 10% of her value invested then - not much by rich man standards maybe. And I'm getting a lot more boat for the money than I expected to buy. That doesn't make her disposable... Richard Darn... thought I might get a ride south... definitely better than the other direction! There's probably room in the truck? Heh... I'd rather sail, but thanks. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:16:32 -0800, cavalamb himself wrote: I'm not rich enough to have that casual an attitude towards valuable and irreplacable property. And I pretty well know my limits at sea. We'll truck her down. I'll have about 10% of her value invested then - not much by rich man standards maybe. And I'm getting a lot more boat for the money than I expected to buy. That doesn't make her disposable... Good attitude, good decision. It's a long hard trip by water. It's not that hard going south, especially if you choose your weather window carefully. Certainly going as far as SD isn't difficult. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:46:10 -0500, WaIIy wrote: Did you miss the "hire a captain" part? There's a lot more to safely delivering a boat over a long distance than hiring a captain. That's the last step, not the first. Survey, gear enhancement, sea trials and corrective actions are the first order of business. All of that takes time, experience and expert advice. The point is that the captain is supposed to have the experience that the crew/owner lacks. No responsible captain would leave port on a yacht that isn't prepared properly. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Bob" wrote in message
... On Feb 10, 12:25 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:46:10 -0500, WaIIy wrote: Did you miss the "hire a captain" part? There's a lot more to safely delivering a boat over a long distance than hiring a captain. That's the last step, not the first. Survey, gear enhancement, sea trials and corrective actions are the first order of business. All of that takes time, experience and expert advice. ANd I think one other,,,,,, now what could that be..... Oh yes.... LOTS OF MONEY in a strange port with few friends for support.... TRUCK IT ! bob Lots of money? Restaurants aren't that much more in LA or SD. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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