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Larry ----
Its been confirmed now by several universities that foaming at the
mouth liberalism that invokes silly conspiracy theories, chest
beating, etc. ... is simply a genetic defect. Your body is probably
being consumed by Testosterone overcoming your Oxytocin.
If you're into substantive discussions on politics or religion, etc. I
invite you to continue ... otherwise I suggest some genetic therapy
before you blowout one of your cerebral arteries.

Doesnt take much heat for structural steel to lose its strength
properties .... the rag-heads were absolutely brilliant to see the
vulnerabilities of a shell supported structure as the WTC ... all the
'external' structure didnt have any concrete cladding, thus very
vulnerable to heat distortion. Why steel framed buildings dont fall in
fires is that the steel is clad in very thick concrete ... to allow up
to hours of fire before the heat is great enough to soften the steel.
Noone stores thousands of gallons of jet fuel in these buildings so
the 'risk' isnt great. Dont forget that Osama's father owned one of
the largest structural engineering companies in the eastern
hemisphere ... that make any connection for you?

Oh BTW, you forgot to include Haliburton and Saddam Hussein, etc. in
your rant.
grin

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Paul Cassel wrote:
Larry wrote:


Before 9/11/2001, not a single steel reinforce building every
collapsed from a fire, even fires that went on for days consuming the
whole building! The structure still stood. So much for that nonsense.

How many were hit by fully fueled 767's? I guess that they collapsed
into their own footprints indicates that GW Bush personally had a hand
in it, right?

Any reason saboteurs trying to secretly collapse buildings would go to
great trouble to make them "collapse in their footprint" like a
controlled demolition? Funny none of the conspiracy theorists notice a
glaringly obvious contradiction to their argument like that.

I hate to mention, anyway, the buildings didn't really collapse in their
footprints. Pieces of the buildings flew long distances.

You rabid Bush haters get weirder by the day.

No kidding. Though they may be calming down with the chance of getting a
lefty in the White House, I'm afraid to see how far they will go if the
lefties lose again. --Lucky for us, we don't have to worry about Larry,
though. He's an equal opportunity conspiracy finder! Which by the way is
a great thing to have in a electrical systems troubleshooter. :-)

Stephen

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Capt. JG wrote:
"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. ..
Larry wrote:

Before 9/11/2001, not a single steel reinforce building every collapsed
from a fire, even fires that went on for days consuming the whole
building! The structure still stood. So much for that nonsense.

How many were hit by fully fueled 767's? I guess that they collapsed into
their own footprints indicates that GW Bush personally had a hand in it,
right?

You rabid Bush haters get weirder by the day.


I'm a Bush hater, and I don't believe he had anything to do with 9/11. He
was totally uninterested before it happened, and afterward he attacked Iraq,
who had nothing to do with it.

You skipped a step, didn't you? The country he actually attacked right
after 9/11?

Stephen

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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. ..
Larry wrote:

Before 9/11/2001, not a single steel reinforce building every collapsed
from a fire, even fires that went on for days consuming the whole
building! The structure still stood. So much for that nonsense.

How many were hit by fully fueled 767's? I guess that they collapsed
into their own footprints indicates that GW Bush personally had a hand
in it, right?

You rabid Bush haters get weirder by the day.


I'm a Bush hater, and I don't believe he had anything to do with 9/11. He
was totally uninterested before it happened, and afterward he attacked
Iraq, who had nothing to do with it.

You skipped a step, didn't you? The country he actually attacked right
after 9/11?

Stephen



I didn't skip anything. He had no choice about Afganistan. He had a big
choice about Iraq.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
...
Paul Cassel wrote:
Larry wrote:


Before 9/11/2001, not a single steel reinforce building every collapsed
from a fire, even fires that went on for days consuming the whole
building! The structure still stood. So much for that nonsense.

How many were hit by fully fueled 767's? I guess that they collapsed into
their own footprints indicates that GW Bush personally had a hand in it,
right?

Any reason saboteurs trying to secretly collapse buildings would go to
great trouble to make them "collapse in their footprint" like a controlled
demolition? Funny none of the conspiracy theorists notice a glaringly
obvious contradiction to their argument like that.

I hate to mention, anyway, the buildings didn't really collapse in their
footprints. Pieces of the buildings flew long distances.

You rabid Bush haters get weirder by the day.

No kidding. Though they may be calming down with the chance of getting a
lefty in the White House, I'm afraid to see how far they will go if the
lefties lose again. --Lucky for us, we don't have to worry about Larry,
though. He's an equal opportunity conspiracy finder! Which by the way is a
great thing to have in a electrical systems troubleshooter. :-)

Stephen


You forgot to say that Obama is a secret Muslim and the Clintons are
anti-American.

From what I recall reading, Bin Laden was surprised as anyone that the
towers collapsed.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 20:34:08 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
.. .
Does a bear crap in the woods?



Bruce... get it right...

The Pope craps in the woods. The bear is Catholic.

Well, I never got that close to a bear I could tell whether he had a
set of beads or not.. course I never got close to the Pope either...


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)

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(Richard Casady) wrote in
:

On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:52:16 +0000, Larry wrote:

Jere, I'm sorry for your trauma. But, alas, how DO you explain away
the
lack of a huge airplane full of people, seats, luggage, titanium alloy
unburnable massive 6-ton engines that flew into the Pentagram and
simply
vanished?

Titanium unburnable? It burns so well that they use it as a fuel in
fireworks. They used it as fuel in flashbulbs. You can light a fine
shaving with a match. All metals will burn, but some are harder to
light. In a good jet fuel fire the aluminum parts of the plane will
burn.

Casady


Titanium is what the ENGINE turbines are made of. It melts at 3,034
degrees F and boils at 5,949 degrees F. It's used for many really high
temperature engine parts in jet engines and industry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium

Look at the steerable nozzle on a military jet. That's made of titanium
BECAUSE titanium stays strong way past the hottest temperature a jet can
produce. It's also very light weight, another plus.

Kerosene (jet fuel) burns at perfect mix about 1800F:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel
That's a blue hot flame with NO SMOKE inside a turbine engine.

However, notice all the jet fuel burning inside buildings WITHOUT MUCH
OXYGEN burns well below that, producing huge quantities of carbon black
from lack of oxygen. In open air, not inside oxygen starved buildings,
jet fuel burns about 400-500F. Inside burning buildings it's less than
400F.

Question - Now armed with correct information, how did two 6 ton jet
engine simply vaporize all those huge titanium engine parts by burning
jet fuel at 400F, far below even their melting point of 3,034 degrees F?
Just because the government says it's so, doesn't make it so. A certain
amount of common sense and simple chemistry from high school should make
it apparent this is just another part of the overall LIES.

Same nonsense for Flight 93 in PA:
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/93crash3.jpg
See any airplane? See any engines, seats, luggage, body parts, BURNED
STUFF? Looks like someone's farm trash dump?

Look at these OTHER jet crash pictures and compare them with the
Pentagram and Flight 93 pictures:
http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/
They span 50 years of air disasters. Notice how, no matter how they
crash, they STILL look like AIRPLANES, not garbage dumps? No matter how
burned they are, there are STILL clearly visible airplane parts, seats,
luggage, body parts, all kinds of stuff.

Why not in TWO crashes of 9/11/2001? Is it because the airliners were
never there??

Here's a great Pentagram website with new pictures I'd never seen before
at the crash time and the aftermath, very well documented. Take a look:
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm

Again...no airplane, no airplane parts, no body parts even the rescue
dogs found none, no luggage, no fireproof seats, no 6 ton jet
engines.....only a Global Hawk wheel and engine rotors. Look at the
global hawk pictures and compare with the EXACT SAME WHEEL from the
Pentagram! Can they blind everyone with bull****?

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"Capt. JG" wrote in news:13qq9enr3ksr163
@corp.supernews.com:

McCain.


32nd degree Freemason. He's qualified for the bankers to love.

A good officer, he'll do what the bankers tell him to. He's used to taking
orders...same as Bush.

http://www.cfr.org/bios/662/john_mccain.html
Oh, look! The CFR's own boy! McCain my ass....
http://blogs.cfr.org/campaign2008/

Which CFR/Freemason will YOU vote for?

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Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
:

Larry, I think the greatest argument against the conspiracy theory is
the fact that it hasn't yet been exposed in main stream news. The
theory that the Government can keep a secret has long been refuted.



The American mainstream media is licensed by the FCC. Do you really think
they are not a propaganda arm of the US Government? Doesn't anyone
remember Joe McCarthy?

The Gulf of Tonkin Incident was a total fabrication. The American media
presented it COMPLETELY as a dastardly attack on a US Ship, right along
with what the US Government wanted them to. NONE of them questioned
whether this was a real attack or a false flag op.

Why?

Look at the executive board room of every American media company, now
concentrated in the hands of VERY FEW, very rich, very connected men who
work for the elite establishment. FCC hasn't allowed the concentration of
media in the hands of these men because it's good for Americans....

Joe Goebbels would be very proud, indeed. He worked for the Rockefellers.

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Stephen Trapani wrote in news:dncrj.3116
:

Any reason saboteurs trying to secretly collapse buildings would go to
great trouble to make them "collapse in their footprint" like a
controlled demolition?

The WTC was an awful white elephant. It was losing millions/day and was
lightly occupied. The buildings around WTC are owned by powerful people
with a lot to lose if the building just fell over. Why would they want the
WTC to collapse straight down, including Building 7?

Would saboteurs care? Of course not! They'd want to take out as many
buildings as the WTC towers could reach! You answered your own question,
they came straight down to MINIMIZE DAMAGE to some very rich corporations.

This also holds true at the Pentagram. Why would an Arab terrorist, who
was headed into the Pentagram on the side where the JCS and Rumsfeld's
office was located right behind the flagpole....FLY ALL THE WAY AROUND THE
OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO FLY IT INTO AN AREA UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH
NO PENTAGRAM BUREAUCRATS TO KILL?! If you wanted to take out the top of
the American military machine, wouldn't the nose of that jet want to point
right into Rumsfeld's office window?

They took out the only part of the Pentagram UNDER CONSTRUCTION to MINIMIZE
BUREAUCRAT DAMAGE.....only construction workers were killed. No top brass,
not a single colonel was harmed in the attack! What a great coincidence,
eh? The location of the JCS and Rumsfeld's office is on thousands of
websites across the net. ANY terrorist going to this much trouble would
know EXACTLY which window was his.....and blow it to hell!