On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:42:23 -0800, Dan Best
wrote:

wrote:
Wayne has a large powerboat and is a coastal cruiser. He says that if
sailboats are in his way, he has every right to deliberately wake them
as he passes.


That is a rather gross simplification of what I did say, but I really
have no further comment.

Wayne.B wrote:
That is *way* too long a delivery trip for a 36 footer.

Wayne B.,
Please accept my apologies. I went back and reread what you posted and
realized that I misread or misinterpreted what you wrote. You did
emphasize "a delivery" in your comment and it was meant as more of a
financial judgement than a capability one. On the other one, I was
mentally attributing something someone else said to you and was guilty
of not looking it up and verifying it before I hit the send key. You'd
think that after all these years, I'd know better than to try to reply
to something when I'm rushing out the door.

--
Dan Best
s/v Tricia Jean, Tayana 37 #192
http://home.comcast.net/~triciajean192/

Joe wrote:
On Jan 31, 9:40 pm, hpeer wrote:
Probably just a pipe dream but..............

Anyone out there care to speculate on the delivery cost of a 36-foot
sailboat from Singapore to East Coast US?

Various methods:

Delivery Captain and/or crew???

By ship?????

Many thanks,

Howard

This one? I like it too.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/World...spagenameZWDVW

Joe

Yeah! Sigh!!!!!!!!!

On Feb 1, 8:45 am, Wayne.B wrote:
...[the] distance is around 12,000 miles. A
delivery crew is likey to cost at least $300 per day plus expenses
which will be considerable. And then there is the issue of wear and
tear on the boat, engine, rigging and sails which will also be
significant. Even if shipping costs are $30K it will still be cheaper
than on water delivery, and a lot less risky. ...

$2/mile plus expenses is a decent rule of thumb for long deliveries.
I suspect $30k isn't far off the mark. You'd really have to be in
love to pay that. However, I've run across a couple of families who
were doing deliveries in return for being allowed to take the time to
cruise along the route. I know that there were some disputes. Timing
and particularly how time spent doing repairs would be treated were
sore points in both cases. Also the routes involved were less
challenging and more attractive than Singapore - East Coast would
be... Nevertheless, just the right family might be out there to do
it, and the dollar price should be more reasonable.

-- Tom.

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:05:36 -0800, Dan Best
wrote:

Wayne B.,
Please accept my apologies. I went back and reread what you posted and
realized that I misread or misinterpreted what you wrote. You did
emphasize "a delivery" in your comment and it was meant as more of a
financial judgement than a capability one. On the other one, I was
mentally attributing something someone else said to you and was guilty
of not looking it up and verifying it before I hit the send key. You'd
think that after all these years, I'd know better than to try to reply
to something when I'm rushing out the door.

No problem.

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:46:10 -0500, wrote:

That is a rather gross simplification of what I did say, but I really
have no further comment.

And to further prove Wayne's really not a jerk, see his reply to me in
this thread. Sounded quite a bit like a threat.

You seem a little over inflamed there Salty. You should spend more
time outside cooling down in that old fashioned Connecticut winter
that you've been enjoying. You could always get an ice boat.

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:53:01 -0500, wrote:

You seem a little over inflamed there Salty. You should spend more
time outside cooling down in that old fashioned Connecticut winter
that you've been enjoying. You could always get an ice boat.

Don't forget to shut off your turn signal occasionally.

You lost me on that one.

Back to ice boating, I think you should try it - nice flat water,
albeit a bit on the hard side, and no power boats anywhere to disrupt
your reverie.

In article , Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:05:36 -0800, Dan Best
wrote:

Wayne B.,
Please accept my apologies. I went back and reread what you posted and
realized that I misread or misinterpreted what you wrote. You did
emphasize "a delivery" in your comment and it was meant as more of a
financial judgement than a capability one. On the other one, I was
mentally attributing something someone else said to you and was guilty
of not looking it up and verifying it before I hit the send key. You'd
think that after all these years, I'd know better than to try to reply
to something when I'm rushing out the door.

No problem.

Civility? On usenet? Oh dear, I feel faint...

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:16:54 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Feb 1, 8:45 am, Wayne.B wrote:
...[the] distance is around 12,000 miles. A
delivery crew is likey to cost at least $300 per day plus expenses
which will be considerable. And then there is the issue of wear and
tear on the boat, engine, rigging and sails which will also be
significant. Even if shipping costs are $30K it will still be cheaper
than on water delivery, and a lot less risky. ...

$2/mile plus expenses is a decent rule of thumb for long deliveries.
I suspect $30k isn't far off the mark. You'd really have to be in
love to pay that. However, I've run across a couple of families who
were doing deliveries in return for being allowed to take the time to
cruise along the route. I know that there were some disputes. Timing
and particularly how time spent doing repairs would be treated were
sore points in both cases. Also the routes involved were less
challenging and more attractive than Singapore - East Coast would
be... Nevertheless, just the right family might be out there to do
it, and the dollar price should be more reasonable.

-- Tom.

A friend here in Thailand was trying to sell his Bristol channel
Cutter some years ago and was communicating with a potential buyer who
asked whether the boat could be delivered to the west coast of the
U.S. I got involved in researching delivery possibilities.

The shortest route for delivery by sailing was from Thailand to
Singapore, north from Singapore to Taiwan/Japan and turn east straight
across the Pacific to California.

Shipping involved building a cradle and shipping either as deck cargo
or on a container ship. This turned out to be the cheapest method,
although a bit complex as the logistics of placing the boat in the
cradle and loading aboard the ship involved travel lifts in one
location and cranes at another plus hauling over public roads.

I did contact a company in Singapore that supposedly "specialized in
shipping boats" through a Singapore Chinese friend. He advised me that
the company appeared to have the capability but when it came to
getting an estimated cost the shipping company had basically asked
"how much will the client pay".

The upshot was that for a 10 year old Bristol Channel Cutter, in good
nick, with a survey stating that the boat was in satisfactory
condition and the only discrepancies noted were considered as fair
wear and tear, the all in cost of delivery to the U.S. was a deal
breaker as it nearly doubled the total cost to the buyer.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)

hpeer wrote:
Joe wrote:
On Jan 31, 9:40 pm, hpeer wrote:
Probably just a pipe dream but..............

Anyone out there care to speculate on the delivery cost of a 36-foot
sailboat from Singapore to East Coast US?

Various methods:

Delivery Captain and/or crew???

By ship?????

Many thanks,

Howard

This one? I like it too.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/World...spagenameZWDVW


Joe

Yeah! Sigh!!!!!!!!!
Joe,

You have outed me here. Now we will have the thousands of Newsgroup
users from all over the world competing for this lovely vessel.

This boat is about 2 years too soon, I still need to work for at least
another bit before taking off.

In reality the only way to make this work is to think of it as an
opportunity, the boat is already where you want her. Go to her and let
her carry you on.

And, I already have a roughly similar boat, albeit steel and not monel,
in Newfoundland.

Sigh and sigh again.