On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:16:54 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Feb 1, 8:45 am, Wayne.B wrote:
...[the] distance is around 12,000 miles. A
delivery crew is likey to cost at least $300 per day plus expenses
which will be considerable. And then there is the issue of wear and
tear on the boat, engine, rigging and sails which will also be
significant. Even if shipping costs are $30K it will still be cheaper
than on water delivery, and a lot less risky. ...

$2/mile plus expenses is a decent rule of thumb for long deliveries.
I suspect $30k isn't far off the mark. You'd really have to be in
love to pay that. However, I've run across a couple of families who
were doing deliveries in return for being allowed to take the time to
cruise along the route. I know that there were some disputes. Timing
and particularly how time spent doing repairs would be treated were
sore points in both cases. Also the routes involved were less
challenging and more attractive than Singapore - East Coast would
be... Nevertheless, just the right family might be out there to do
it, and the dollar price should be more reasonable.

-- Tom.

A friend here in Thailand was trying to sell his Bristol channel
Cutter some years ago and was communicating with a potential buyer who
asked whether the boat could be delivered to the west coast of the
U.S. I got involved in researching delivery possibilities.

The shortest route for delivery by sailing was from Thailand to
Singapore, north from Singapore to Taiwan/Japan and turn east straight
across the Pacific to California.

Shipping involved building a cradle and shipping either as deck cargo
or on a container ship. This turned out to be the cheapest method,
although a bit complex as the logistics of placing the boat in the
cradle and loading aboard the ship involved travel lifts in one
location and cranes at another plus hauling over public roads.

I did contact a company in Singapore that supposedly "specialized in
shipping boats" through a Singapore Chinese friend. He advised me that
the company appeared to have the capability but when it came to
getting an estimated cost the shipping company had basically asked
"how much will the client pay".

The upshot was that for a 10 year old Bristol Channel Cutter, in good
nick, with a survey stating that the boat was in satisfactory
condition and the only discrepancies noted were considered as fair
wear and tear, the all in cost of delivery to the U.S. was a deal
breaker as it nearly doubled the total cost to the buyer.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)

wrote:
Wayne has a large powerboat and is a coastal cruiser. He says that if
sailboats are in his way, he has every right to deliberately wake them
as he passes.

I remember that thread. What a jerk!

It's unfortunate that some people who are new to sailing or are just
starting out on the path of learning what it takes to go cruising might
read pronouncements like his and abandon the idea as being completely
out of reach.

Interestingly, I just did a quick spot check of some of his posts over
the last couple of months and found that most of his posts contained
what seemed to be interesting and intelligent comments on a variety of
topics.

So, I'll repeat my original question to you, Wayne B., "Where is this
notion of yours that a boat in the mid 30's is too short to be a blue
water cruiser coming from and what would you consider a reasonable size
boat for an ocean crossing trip."

Cerrtainly, there are any number of mid 30 footers that would be
inappropriate because they were never designed for such use, but many
more are really at home out on the open water.
--
Dan Best
s/v Tricia Jean, Tayana 37 #192

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:42:23 -0800, Dan Best
wrote:

wrote:
Wayne has a large powerboat and is a coastal cruiser. He says that if
sailboats are in his way, he has every right to deliberately wake them
as he passes.


That is a rather gross simplification of what I did say, but I really
have no further comment.

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:46:10 -0500, wrote:

That is a rather gross simplification of what I did say, but I really
have no further comment.

And to further prove Wayne's really not a jerk, see his reply to me in
this thread. Sounded quite a bit like a threat.

You seem a little over inflamed there Salty. You should spend more
time outside cooling down in that old fashioned Connecticut winter
that you've been enjoying. You could always get an ice boat.

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:58:54 -0500, wrote:

He says that if
sailboats are in his way, he has every right to deliberately wake them
as he passes.

That is particularly true for your boat.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:40:59 -0500, hpeer wrote:

Anyone out there care to speculate on the delivery cost of a 36-foot
sailboat from Singapore to East Coast US?

Various methods:

Delivery Captain and/or crew???

That is *way* too long a delivery trip for a 36 footer.

I had a 32 foot sailboat I sailed anywhere I wished to. I'd not hesitate
to take that exact boat on this trip.

IIRC, some girl sailed a much smaller boat from California to Australia
as have many others. If I had the time, I'd be happy to do this trip
unless the quality or the condition of the boat isn't up to it.

Size isn't relevant. Build quality and condition sure are, though. There
is a hell of a diff between, say, an O'Day and a Valiant.

-paul

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:40:59 -0500, hpeer wrote:

That is *way* too long a delivery trip for a 36 footer.


When we were thinking about the boat in Hong Kong I considered either self
delivery or hiring a delivery skipper and crew but in the end I decided for
that boat (a deep keel racer/cruiser) and those distances (HK to Australia
east coast) the wear and tear on sails, rig engine and the boat in general
would probably make the total cost equivalent to shipping.

On Jan 31, 9:40*pm, hpeer wrote:
Probably just a pipe dream but..............

Anyone out there care to speculate on the delivery cost of a 36-foot
sailboat from Singapore to East Coast US?

Various methods:

Delivery Captain and/or crew???

By ship?????

Many thanks,

Howard

This one? I like it too.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/World...spagenameZWDVW

Joe

Joe wrote:
On Jan 31, 9:40 pm, hpeer wrote:
Probably just a pipe dream but..............

Anyone out there care to speculate on the delivery cost of a 36-foot
sailboat from Singapore to East Coast US?

Various methods:

Delivery Captain and/or crew???

By ship?????

Many thanks,

Howard

This one? I like it too.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/World...spagenameZWDVW

Joe

Yeah! Sigh!!!!!!!!!

hpeer wrote:
Joe wrote:
On Jan 31, 9:40 pm, hpeer wrote:
Probably just a pipe dream but..............

Anyone out there care to speculate on the delivery cost of a 36-foot
sailboat from Singapore to East Coast US?

Various methods:

Delivery Captain and/or crew???

By ship?????

Many thanks,

Howard

This one? I like it too.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/World...spagenameZWDVW


Joe

Yeah! Sigh!!!!!!!!!
Joe,

You have outed me here. Now we will have the thousands of Newsgroup
users from all over the world competing for this lovely vessel.

This boat is about 2 years too soon, I still need to work for at least
another bit before taking off.

In reality the only way to make this work is to think of it as an
opportunity, the boat is already where you want her. Go to her and let
her carry you on.

And, I already have a roughly similar boat, albeit steel and not monel,
in Newfoundland.

Sigh and sigh again.