Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:40:59 -0500, hpeer wrote:

Anyone out there care to speculate on the delivery cost of a 36-foot
sailboat from Singapore to East Coast US?

Various methods:

Delivery Captain and/or crew???

That is *way* too long a delivery trip for a 36 footer.

I had a 32 foot sailboat I sailed anywhere I wished to. I'd not hesitate
to take that exact boat on this trip.

IIRC, some girl sailed a much smaller boat from California to Australia
as have many others. If I had the time, I'd be happy to do this trip
unless the quality or the condition of the boat isn't up to it.

Size isn't relevant. Build quality and condition sure are, though. There
is a hell of a diff between, say, an O'Day and a Valiant.

-paul

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:25:24 -0500, hpeer wrote:

hpeer wrote:
Joe wrote:
On Jan 31, 9:40 pm, hpeer wrote:
Probably just a pipe dream but..............

Anyone out there care to speculate on the delivery cost of a 36-foot
sailboat from Singapore to East Coast US?

Various methods:

Delivery Captain and/or crew???

By ship?????

Many thanks,

Howard

This one? I like it too.

Joe

Yeah! Sigh!!!!!!!!!
Joe,

You have outed me here. Now we will have the thousands of Newsgroup
users from all over the world competing for this lovely vessel.

This boat is about 2 years too soon, I still need to work for at least
another bit before taking off.

In reality the only way to make this work is to think of it as an
opportunity, the boat is already where you want her. Go to her and let
her carry you on.

And, I already have a roughly similar boat, albeit steel and not monel,
in Newfoundland.

Sigh and sigh again.


I don't like to be a spoil sport but there are several yacht brokers
in Singapore and a pretty active yachting population.

Frankly selling the boat through e-bay seems strange for two reasons.
First, the boat size and price range is one that sells really well in
this area and , secondly, I checked two of the yacht brokers in the
area and neither list the boat.

Granted that there can be a number of explanations for this but before
you get too excited I would suggest that you contact some of the yacht
brokers in Singapore or SEA, and see whether they know anything about
the boat.

For brokers you could try Lee marine, Howison Marine or Simpson
Marine, google them for Singapore URL, one of them should be able to
give you some information on the boat.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:40:59 -0500, hpeer wrote:

That is *way* too long a delivery trip for a 36 footer.


When we were thinking about the boat in Hong Kong I considered either self
delivery or hiring a delivery skipper and crew but in the end I decided for
that boat (a deep keel racer/cruiser) and those distances (HK to Australia
east coast) the wear and tear on sails, rig engine and the boat in general
would probably make the total cost equivalent to shipping.

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:10:28 -0800, cavalamb himself
wrote:

Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:25:24 -0500, hpeer wrote:


hpeer wrote:

Joe wrote:

On Jan 31, 9:40 pm, hpeer wrote:

Probably just a pipe dream but..............

Anyone out there care to speculate on the delivery cost of a 36-foot
sailboat from Singapore to East Coast US?

Various methods:

Delivery Captain and/or crew???

By ship?????

Many thanks,

Howard

This one? I like it too.


Joe

Yeah! Sigh!!!!!!!!!

Joe,

You have outed me here. Now we will have the thousands of Newsgroup
users from all over the world competing for this lovely vessel.

This boat is about 2 years too soon, I still need to work for at least
another bit before taking off.

In reality the only way to make this work is to think of it as an
opportunity, the boat is already where you want her. Go to her and let
her carry you on.

And, I already have a roughly similar boat, albeit steel and not monel,
in Newfoundland.

Sigh and sigh again.



I don't like to be a spoil sport but there are several yacht brokers
in Singapore and a pretty active yachting population.

Frankly selling the boat through e-bay seems strange for two reasons.
First, the boat size and price range is one that sells really well in
this area and , secondly, I checked two of the yacht brokers in the
area and neither list the boat.

Granted that there can be a number of explanations for this but before
you get too excited I would suggest that you contact some of the yacht
brokers in Singapore or SEA, and see whether they know anything about
the boat.

For brokers you could try Lee marine, Howison Marine or Simpson
Marine, google them for Singapore URL, one of them should be able to
give you some information on the boat.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)

Then there is the "Buy-It-Now" price of $65,000.

To my mind that's only a fraction of the boat's true value.


Or, if the engine is frozen, sails stuffed, corrosion rampart and no
electronics working, maybe too much.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)

cavalamb himself wrote:
Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:25:24 -0500, hpeer wrote:


hpeer wrote:

Joe wrote:

On Jan 31, 9:40 pm, hpeer wrote:

Probably just a pipe dream but..............

Anyone out there care to speculate on the delivery cost of a 36-foot
sailboat from Singapore to East Coast US?

Various methods:

Delivery Captain and/or crew???

By ship?????

Many thanks,

Howard

This one? I like it too.


Joe

Yeah! Sigh!!!!!!!!!

Joe,

You have outed me here. Now we will have the thousands of Newsgroup
users from all over the world competing for this lovely vessel.

This boat is about 2 years too soon, I still need to work for at
least another bit before taking off.

In reality the only way to make this work is to think of it as an
opportunity, the boat is already where you want her. Go to her and
let her carry you on.

And, I already have a roughly similar boat, albeit steel and not
monel, in Newfoundland.

Sigh and sigh again.



I don't like to be a spoil sport but there are several yacht brokers
in Singapore and a pretty active yachting population.
Frankly selling the boat through e-bay seems strange for two reasons.
First, the boat size and price range is one that sells really well in
this area and , secondly, I checked two of the yacht brokers in the
area and neither list the boat.
Granted that there can be a number of explanations for this but before
you get too excited I would suggest that you contact some of the yacht
brokers in Singapore or SEA, and see whether they know anything about
the boat.

For brokers you could try Lee marine, Howison Marine or Simpson
Marine, google them for Singapore URL, one of them should be able to
give you some information on the boat.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores from address for reply)

Then there is the "Buy-It-Now" price of $65,000.

To my mind that's only a fraction of the boat's true value.

Agreed on both parts, it seems to good to be true and the last buyer
backed out. Supposedly because he could not come up with the cash but
could be for other reasons.

Metal boats are not highly favored here in the states and the welding,
if not well done, could have introduced cosmetic distortion, though it
is not obvious in the pictures.

Also, there is all that 220V AC "stuff" in the boat like the "cooker",
microwave, and convection oven. That sounds like a dock magnet not a
blue water boat as it is being billed.

Also, there is all that "stuff" on the aft davits, but no real vane or
autopilot.

So, I agree that there are some anomalies. Yet, the price is
attractive, and the boat is someplace that is NOT HERE.

Bruce, having never been to Singapore, is it reasonable to find a decent
storage yard where the boat could be put up on the hard and securely
stored for a couple of years? Or is that too outrageously expensive?

Howard

Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:25:24 -0500, hpeer wrote:


hpeer wrote:

Joe wrote:

On Jan 31, 9:40 pm, hpeer wrote:

Probably just a pipe dream but..............

Anyone out there care to speculate on the delivery cost of a 36-foot
sailboat from Singapore to East Coast US?

Various methods:

Delivery Captain and/or crew???

By ship?????

Many thanks,

Howard

This one? I like it too.


Joe

Yeah! Sigh!!!!!!!!!

Joe,

You have outed me here. Now we will have the thousands of Newsgroup
users from all over the world competing for this lovely vessel.

This boat is about 2 years too soon, I still need to work for at least
another bit before taking off.

In reality the only way to make this work is to think of it as an
opportunity, the boat is already where you want her. Go to her and let
her carry you on.

And, I already have a roughly similar boat, albeit steel and not monel,
in Newfoundland.

Sigh and sigh again.



I don't like to be a spoil sport but there are several yacht brokers
in Singapore and a pretty active yachting population.

Frankly selling the boat through e-bay seems strange for two reasons.
First, the boat size and price range is one that sells really well in
this area and , secondly, I checked two of the yacht brokers in the
area and neither list the boat.

Granted that there can be a number of explanations for this but before
you get too excited I would suggest that you contact some of the yacht
brokers in Singapore or SEA, and see whether they know anything about
the boat.

For brokers you could try Lee marine, Howison Marine or Simpson
Marine, google them for Singapore URL, one of them should be able to
give you some information on the boat.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)

Then there is the "Buy-It-Now" price of $65,000.

To my mind that's only a fraction of the boat's true value.

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 08:01:29 -0500, hpeer wrote:

cavalamb himself wrote:
Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:25:24 -0500, hpeer wrote:


hpeer wrote:

Joe wrote:

On Jan 31, 9:40 pm, hpeer wrote:

Probably just a pipe dream but..............

Anyone out there care to speculate on the delivery cost of a 36-foot
sailboat from Singapore to East Coast US?

Various methods:

Delivery Captain and/or crew???

By ship?????

Many thanks,

Howard

This one? I like it too.


Joe

Yeah! Sigh!!!!!!!!!

Joe,

You have outed me here. Now we will have the thousands of Newsgroup
users from all over the world competing for this lovely vessel.

This boat is about 2 years too soon, I still need to work for at
least another bit before taking off.

In reality the only way to make this work is to think of it as an
opportunity, the boat is already where you want her. Go to her and
let her carry you on.

And, I already have a roughly similar boat, albeit steel and not
monel, in Newfoundland.

Sigh and sigh again.



I don't like to be a spoil sport but there are several yacht brokers
in Singapore and a pretty active yachting population.
Frankly selling the boat through e-bay seems strange for two reasons.
First, the boat size and price range is one that sells really well in
this area and , secondly, I checked two of the yacht brokers in the
area and neither list the boat.
Granted that there can be a number of explanations for this but before
you get too excited I would suggest that you contact some of the yacht
brokers in Singapore or SEA, and see whether they know anything about
the boat.

For brokers you could try Lee marine, Howison Marine or Simpson
Marine, google them for Singapore URL, one of them should be able to
give you some information on the boat.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores from address for reply)

Then there is the "Buy-It-Now" price of $65,000.

To my mind that's only a fraction of the boat's true value.

Agreed on both parts, it seems to good to be true and the last buyer
backed out. Supposedly because he could not come up with the cash but
could be for other reasons.

Metal boats are not highly favored here in the states and the welding,
if not well done, could have introduced cosmetic distortion, though it
is not obvious in the pictures.

Also, there is all that 220V AC "stuff" in the boat like the "cooker",
microwave, and convection oven. That sounds like a dock magnet not a
blue water boat as it is being billed.

Also, there is all that "stuff" on the aft davits, but no real vane or
autopilot.

So, I agree that there are some anomalies. Yet, the price is
attractive, and the boat is someplace that is NOT HERE.

Bruce, having never been to Singapore, is it reasonable to find a decent
storage yard where the boat could be put up on the hard and securely
stored for a couple of years? Or is that too outrageously expensive?

Howard

Taking your message point by point.

1. The statement that the underwater parts of the boat are alloy while
the top\sides and cabin are steel would lead one to believe that boat
may be professionally built as that alloy is not cheap and actually
the hull is the cheap part of building a boat. However it could be
that someone came across some cheap alloy going begging.

2. the 220 VAC utilities are standard fare outside the U.S. and
frankly fairly cheap to convert to 110 VAC if you require,

The fact that the boat is equipped with electric "stuff" is pretty
standard for a cruising boat. Most circumnavigaters actually spend
more time in harbors then at sea, and remember that the boat is set up
to live aboard which means that you don' have any other place to live.

Example: A mate is setting off across the Indian ocean later in the
month. Plans on sailing nonstop to India; finding a place to keep the
boat; touring india and returning in about 3 months. He is planning on
a three week voyage to India and three back. Out of a three month
trip.

I didn't look at the pictures very carefully but there MUST have been
an autopilot somewhere. Must have! I only know one person that sails
without an autopilot and he does charters with about 8 people aboard
and everyone stands 2 hour wheel watches.

Finally. there are four marinas in Singapore. One I'm sure has dry
storage another I'm not sure of and the other two not. I'm sure that
you could find a yard that would store the boat for you but I'm not
sure at what cost. The marina cost would, probably, be the same as a
wet berth.

If you are at all serious about buying the boat I would contact
Howison Marine in Singapore and ask them to have a look for you.
Howison and his wife are both good sorts and he probably knows of the
boat and if he doesn't he might be willing to make a few phone calls
and find out. He can also probably give you an idea of storage costs.

I'll be in Singapore right after Chinese New Year and if you are at
least semi serious I can take time to call around and see whether I
can find out some details. If you want that email me at pbaige125 at
gmail dot com and let me know.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)

Just a few quick comments on the boat

By the looks of things, that's a mighty power hungry boat. You are
going to be running that Honda generator a lot as there's no way that
single 75W panel is going to produce enough. I wonder how many amp
hours it takes cook a meal on that magnetic induction cook top.

For the same money, you can get a some very nice boats that are already
here in the states, especially in this market. Heck, it's on the "left"
coast, but I'd even consider selling you mine.

That's an awful lot of "crap on de back". It makes my boat look like it
has a clean aft end by comparison. I doubt if there's any way a wind
vane could function, so you'll be dead reliant on those two tiller pilots.
--
Dan Best - (559) 970-9858, Fresno, CA 93704
B-2/75 1977-1979
Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean" http://triciajean192.home.comcast.net

Dan Best wrote in news:47a49137$0$36384
:

I wonder how many amp
hours it takes cook a meal on that magnetic induction cook top.


Round numbers say 2Kwh... 2000wh/13V=150-200 AH off the house batteries.

The boat is setup for a POWER PLANT, not batteries-and-a-flashlight
hermits. Does't it have a diesel power plant? It needs one.

Noone's gonna run an electric stove off batteries....unless they're on a
submarine with some SERIOUS batteries. The recharging would drive you
crazy!

Power has to come from somewhere....

Larry

"Nothing is funnier than a yachtie with a new 4KW inverter carrying his
electric heater down the dock with a big smile on his face."

Larry wrote:
Dan Best wrote in news:47a49137$0$36384
:

I wonder how many amp
hours it takes cook a meal on that magnetic induction cook top.


Round numbers say 2Kwh... 2000wh/13V=150-200 AH off the house batteries.

The boat is setup for a POWER PLANT, not batteries-and-a-flashlight
hermits. Does't it have a diesel power plant? It needs one.

Noone's gonna run an electric stove off batteries....unless they're on a
submarine with some SERIOUS batteries. The recharging would drive you
crazy!

Power has to come from somewhere....

Larry

"Nothing is funnier than a yachtie with a new 4KW inverter carrying his
electric heater down the dock with a big smile on his face."

Dan and Larry,

You are on to the drift of my comments. I still like the monel hull,
material and shape, and some of the features. If you threw out half the
crap and put in a decent cooker and vane it would be a good boat. And
you don't have to cross the Pacific to get it to where it is.

My own boat, a Murray 33 by Ted Brewer is much simpler. But I have a
proper vane and autopilot, kerosene cooker, kerosene heater, Espar
diesel heater, and sea berths. No AC needed at 50N.