Bob wrote:
On Jan 10, 8:50 am, "
wrote:
My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, for summer
cruising north from Port Townsend, WA,
Richard



DId yo go here and look at Mahina's list??

http://www.mahina.com/boats.html

Bob


Don't need an offshore cruiser for what they will be doing. They will
want something that moves in light air.
Gordon

On Jan 10, 4:35*pm, Gordon wrote:

*for summer cruising north from Port Townsend, WA,
Richard


* *Don't need an offshore cruiser for what they will be doing. They will
want something that moves in light air.
* Gordon

Humm, Strait of Juan De Fuca and inside Vancouver Island..... that can
get sorta big out there at times. i guess they dont plan on venturing
more than one mile from any dock. that sounds fun though. Head out,
zip around, then back to the dock befor it get too big or too dark.
Heck.... I even herd hear a few months ago a Mcgreggor was a ocean
crossing capable sailboat. They go fast and cheep....

Bob

Bob wrote:
On Jan 10, 8:50 am, "
wrote:

My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, for summer
cruising north from Port Townsend, WA,
Richard




DId yo go here and look at Mahina's list??

http://www.mahina.com/boats.html

Bob



I noticed he recommended 2 HP per 1000 pounds.

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:29:31 -0600, cavelamb himself
wrote:

I noticed he recommended 2 HP per 1000 pounds.

That's about right for a sailboat in my experience, more for a trawler
of course.

Alos take a look at a Paceship 26 (PY 26) They are solidly built
roomy, sail well and available in your price range. Check out www.paceship.org
which lists a few owners on the west coast.

I have owned my current Py26 for about 10 years now and am entirely
happy with it. We cruise Lake Ontario and the St. Lawrence river.

Cheers

Matt

On Jan 10, 4:35 pm, Gordon wrote:
Bob wrote:
On Jan 10, 8:50 am, "
wrote:
My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, for summer
cruising north from Port Townsend, WA,
Richard

DId yo go here and look at Mahina's list??

http://www.mahina.com/boats.html

Bob

Don't need an offshore cruiser for what they will be doing. They will
want something that moves in light air.
Gordon

Yes, I did, and thanks for the tip. However Gordon is right - in the
summer here the problem is more often too little wind than too much.
At the same time you do need a boat that will handle some weather.

Richard

"RJisherw... wrote:
My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, for summer
cruising north from Port Townsend, WA, where we live, mainly if not
entirely on the inside of Vancouver Island. Our price range is $8,000
- 12,000


Very nice sailing & cruising grounds.

We want a boat which has
- solid construction
- good stability - not too much heeling
- adequate performance upwind
- moves in light air


You realize of course that your priorities are more or less in direct
conflict. Most ehavily built boats are ... well, heavy... which means
they will not sail well in light air. Also (because they are heavy)
they have a lower ballast-displacement ratio whcih means that they
will have less stability in the lower ranges of heel (although may
have much greater reserve stability).


We're narrowing our search down to boats within a reasonable distance,
and I wonder if anyone has opinions on the relative merits of the
following for this type of use

Catalina 27 - 1987

A nice enough boat. Relatively inexpensive, will be relatively easy to
sell, and guaranteed to have one available nearby. Also you will have
a lot of fellow Cat27 owners to socialize with.

San Juan 28 - 1978

IMHO most of the mass-produced boats are built within the same range
of cost-cutting construction foibles, but personally I'd rate San
Juans (Clark) at the lower end of the scale. They're fast boats for
their era though.

O'Day 272LE -1987

A bit roomier & possibly more initial stability; I happen to like the
Hunt designs... definitely take a look at the Paceship 26 (as another
poster recommended) which was done by the same office, a bit earlier.

Ericson 25+ -1976

A bit small, but better built. Ericsons have a great reputation for
being able to sail hard and not come apart; however at this age you
may still have tabbing & core issues no matter who built it.

Morgan 27 -1971


I happen to really like these boats, although they are not as roomy as
more modern boats. Solidly built, pretty good performance in light &
heavy air (I've raced one in 30+), good workable cockpit & deck layout
too.

Another poster mentioned the Contessa 26 which is a well built (as are
all Contessas) little boat but rather cramped by modern standards.

I mention the age as I think construction quality has varied
over the years with some of these makers.


In the age that you're looking, care taken of the boat will far, far
outweigh anything the original builder did. As I mentioned earlier,
most mass-produced boats have a tendency to use spit & pasteboard
anywhere they think people won't find it. The debate about whether
Cals or Islanders or Catalinas or Hunters or Lancers or San Juans or
Odays or Irwins etc etc are "built better" is really just something to
argue if you don't have anything better to do. IMHO older C&Cs, older
Morgans, Pearsons, & Ericsons are a cut above the rest, but then there
are also genuinely well built boats like the Sabres, Rivals, etc etc
if you are willing to look and/or go a little further afield. Too bad
Oyster & Nautic never made a boat in this size range

Whether or not it's worth the time & trouble to look harder, given the
way you plan to use the boat, is your own call.

My advice- pick the boat that has had the best care and the upgrades
closest to what you'd pick. Avoid boats with all OEM equipment no
matter how low the price... it's likely they have also never had their
deck hardware rebedded (etc etc) and you can spend a fortune on sails
& line alone.

A qucik gander at YachtWorld revealed these which might be worth a
look
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1804311

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1798405

Good hunting!
Doug King

wrote:
On Jan 10, 4:35 pm, Gordon wrote:
Bob wrote:
On Jan 10, 8:50 am, "
wrote:
My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, for summer
cruising north from Port Townsend, WA,
Richard
DId yo go here and look at Mahina's list??
http://www.mahina.com/boats.html
Bob
Don't need an offshore cruiser for what they will be doing. They will
want something that moves in light air.
Gordon

Yes, I did, and thanks for the tip. However Gordon is right - in the
summer here the problem is more often too little wind than too much.
At the same time you do need a boat that will handle some weather.

Richard

Actually, the best is a 27' Cascade!

BTW Did I mention I have one for sale at Pt Angeles? ;)

Gordon

On Jan 11, 10:31*am, "
wrote:
On Jan 10, 4:35 pm, Gordon wrote:





Bob wrote:
On Jan 10, 8:50 am, "
wrote:
My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, *for summer
cruising north from Port Townsend, WA,
Richard

DId yo go here and look at Mahina's list??

http://www.mahina.com/boats.html

Bob

* *Don't need an offshore cruiser for what they will be doing. They will
want something that moves in light air.
* Gordon

Yes, I did, and thanks for the tip. However Gordon is right - in the
summer here the problem is more often too little wind than too much.
At the same time you do need a boat that will handle some weather.

* * * * * * * * * * Richard- Hide quoted text -

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At the risk of disagreeing and appearing partisan. The summer here in
Montreal suffers from chronic light air. With a 150 or 160% roller
furling genny the boat moves along quite well. When the wind picks
up, that's when the boat really shines. With a reef in the main and a
small foresail (or a partially furled genny) she will put her shoulder
into it and go. I've been out in lake Ontario in 10 foot waves and
winds at 20 - 25 with gusts higher without my wife being worried (too
much GRIN). The boat is very much over built and will take a lot.
What you will hear is that the boat is underpowered wiht an 8hp diesel
but I have not found this to be a real issue. Our lake gets a nasty
short chop going and we manage to power through it quite well. The
other thing that keeps nagging at the back of my mind ins the
rudder. It seems exposed at the back of the boat and I sometimes
wonder about it. On th eother hand we have had no problems during the
ten years we have owner our boat and neither did my dad with his.

If you wish. contact me directly at Matt dot koch @ sympatico dot ca
and we can talk a bot off line.

Cheers

Matt

On Jan 10, 8:50*am, "
wrote:
My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, *for summer
cruising north from Port Townsend, WA, where we live, mainly if not
entirely on the inside of Vancouver Island. Our price range is $8,000
- 12,000

We want a boat which has
* * * * * * - solid construction
* * * * * * - good stability - not too much heeling
* * * * * * - adequate performance upwind
* * * * * * - *moves in light air

We're narrowing our search down to boats within a reasonable distance,
and I wonder if anyone has opinions on the relative merits of the
following for this type of use

Catalina 27 * - 1987
San Juan 28 - 1978
O'Day 272LE -1987
Ericson 25+ * -1976
Morgan 27 * * -1971

* * * * I mention the age as I think construction quality has varied
over the years with some of these makers.

* * * * * * * * * * Thanks in advance for any comments

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Richard


Richard:
Look at the Cal 2-29 as your first choice if you can afford it. It
will sail in light air faster than the Catalina or Cal 2-27. I've
owned both Cals and older Catalinas and I'd say the Cal's have better
details- making them more sailor friendly. I believe in general the
Cals are slightly better than the Catalinas. The older Catlinas are
available in two styles - galley along one side and galley at the port
rear of the cabin. You should decide which you like better. I too
cruise Puget Sound. If you go with the Catalina 27, definately make
sure you get a tall rig for sailing in islands - where the winds are
often light during summer. Look at the PHRF base ratings of the boats
to get an idea of their sailing ability.