On Jan 10, 2:14*pm, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
wrote:

This in no way changes my opinion. *If mommy and daddy want to go cruising,
great.
Leave the 15 year old in school.

"Bill Kearney"

Gee, seems as though all here for the first time have a consensous....

Ya, the 15 yo daughte needs to be sharpening her flirting and dating
skills. Kinda hard to do that on a boat. That is unless ya dont miind
the little **** working her magic on some of the old
crusiers............. Eeeewwww! Trust me when I say 15 yo girls
practice on dads. I guess they think its safe. For example, was on my
boat with three 15-16 yo girls they all start to pack out to go
swimming except one. She holds back and says Bob would you put the sun
block on my back... I say okay then she turns her back to me and drops
her top !?!?!!?!?

I have met about 12-15 homschooled teens. They are really great at:
read the book... take the test.... read the book.... take the test but
each lacked the other stuff like application, analysis, synthisis,
evaluation skills.

I like that one post who said use U of Nebraska curiculum cause the
Uof N give auto admission to thoes students. Now that seems a bit
fishy...... Buy our stuff and ya get in free??

Bob

On Jan 10, 3:12 pm, "Ansley W. Sawyer" wrote:
Stacy,
We have been sailing with both our kids, two boys, since each of them were
born. They were two weeks old when they first went sailing and we have
sailed as a family ever since. Today one is in college and the other is
finishing high school.

I think that you are asking a lot from your daughter to leave at age 15 and
move onto the boat with you. The high school years are a time of
socialization for kids and a time that they want to be with there peers and
not with their elders. If you had been sailing as a family for all of her
formative years then your daughter may have continued for another year but
at age 15 or 16 she probably would have talked to you about her staying
ashore for her high school years.

My advice would be to sit out the next few years and when she walks out the
door for college, leap aboard and go. She can visit you for a few weeks
during vacations and she will appreciate the beautiful places that you bring
her for her breaks.

Cheers

Ansley Sawyer
SV Pacem

Hi, Ansley,

This doesn't do me any good because Stacy can't reply to your
thoughtful comments because I don't have your address to send to her.

Did you copy her directly on that?

L8R

Skip

Jere Lull wrote:
On 2008-01-09 17:17:11 -0500, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
said:

Drop the kid off at boarding school .. and leave.

The little **** can sit in algebra class while mom and dad are off
cruising.

Oh, Gawd! You've definitely demonstrated your incompetence.

Real cruising kids demonstrate far more intelligence. At a minimum, they
know where they are and where they want to be.


What about the social skills they learn when they are in a school with
other students. You can't survive alone in the world you need to know
how to interact with others.

BAR wrote:
Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-01-09 17:17:11 -0500, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
said:

Drop the kid off at boarding school .. and leave.

The little **** can sit in algebra class while mom and dad are off
cruising.


Oh, Gawd! You've definitely demonstrated your incompetence.

Real cruising kids demonstrate far more intelligence. At a minimum,
they know where they are and where they want to be.


What about the social skills they learn when they are in a school with
other students. You can't survive alone in the world you need to know
how to interact with others.


No loss at all.
The times have changed, and social skills along with them.

Hi, Skip (and Lydia),

Glad y'all are doing well.

I love newsgroups. You asked for responses by people who had
experience homeschooling and cruising. How many of those did you get,
as opposed to pontification by dickwads who know ****-all about ****-
all? Socialization! Jeezis Christ on Kaopectate, BAR, you're a ****ing
idiot. And, Bob, if you wanna defend the value of schooling, perhaps
you should lean your native ****ing tongue a bit better and lead us by
example, speaking of "knowing what you're doing."

Frank (*un*schooling for the last 5 or so years and I'll match my
kids' SAT scores, schoolish knowledge, and *especially* their ability
to function in the real world against any schooled kid)

P.S. Our older daughter was 13 when we moved aboard. She was not
enthused but she was willing and somewhat interested. I agree that
it's a tough thing for a teenager to break from everything she knows
to head into the unknown when it's not her own dream.

On 2008-01-11 08:22:47 -0500, BAR said:

Jere Lull wrote:
On 2008-01-09 17:17:11 -0500, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
said:

Drop the kid off at boarding school .. and leave.

The little **** can sit in algebra class while mom and dad are off cruising.

Oh, Gawd! You've definitely demonstrated your incompetence.

Real cruising kids demonstrate far more intelligence. At a minimum,
they know where they are and where they want to be.


What about the social skills they learn when they are in a school with
other students. You can't survive alone in the world you need to know
how to interact with others.

The ones I've known all had better social skills than the stay-at-home
kids who haven't experienced being sociable in international settings,
who have not been in situations where their interactions with others
directly affected their comfort or maybe their chance of survival, who
have never needed to accept real responsibility for their actions.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

A number of years ago, a guy in a town about 10 miles from me, built a big
old boat in his backyard.

When he started, there was an article in the newspaper. The family was
there, his kids were little.
The reporter asked them if they wanted to sail around the world, and they
said yes, they could not
wait to go.

A few years goes by .. another article in the newspaper. The guy was
finally finished with the home
built boat.

The reporter went to do a followup story. And of course, the reporter
wanted to ask the kids how
excited they were to sail around the world.

Guess what? The kids were "busy", they had no interest whatsoever of
sailing around the world.

In fact, they told the reporter that as far as they were concerned, it was a
nutty idea.

The guy got the boat trucked to the seacoast, put in. He used the boat for
coastal sailing when
he could find a crew.

The kids? They all went off to college, lived their lives.

There is nothing wrong with going cruising. In fact, in my opinion it is
wonderful.
But don't kid yourself, your children might not think it is as important as
you do.

For some good reading on a family that cruised together, even as the kids
became adults.
Read some of William F Buckley's sailing and cruising books.

Let the kids live their lives, and if they feel that cruising is what they
want to do,, good for them.
I do believe it is nutty to bring a 15 year old on a boat with mom and dad,
to go off cruising.
Who is the 15 year old going to socialize with? What about stuff like the
school dance, the prom,
clubs, sports, boyfriends, going to camp, going to the beach with friends,
...... can't you see, that
kids need to be with kids so they can grow up, then they can go cruising.






"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news:2008011122182175249-jerelull@maccom...
On 2008-01-11 08:22:47 -0500, BAR said:

Jere Lull wrote:
On 2008-01-09 17:17:11 -0500, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
said:

Drop the kid off at boarding school .. and leave.

The little **** can sit in algebra class while mom and dad are off
cruising.

Oh, Gawd! You've definitely demonstrated your incompetence.

Real cruising kids demonstrate far more intelligence. At a minimum, they
know where they are and where they want to be.


What about the social skills they learn when they are in a school with
other students. You can't survive alone in the world you need to know how
to interact with others.

The ones I've known all had better social skills than the stay-at-home
kids who haven't experienced being sociable in international settings, who
have not been in situations where their interactions with others directly
affected their comfort or maybe their chance of survival, who have never
needed to accept real responsibility for their actions.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:11:59 GMT, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
wrote:

Who is the 15 year old going to socialize with? What about stuff like the
school dance, the prom,
clubs, sports, boyfriends, going to camp, going to the beach with friends,
..... can't you see, that
kids need to be with kids so they can grow up, then they can go cruising.

During most of mankinds existence people lived in small villages, or
were members of small bands of nomads, and there were only a handful
of people within walking distance. There might be more people at the
average marina, than the average number of other people met in a
lifetime, throughout most of mankinds existance. The number is higher
today, but so what?

Casady

On 2008-01-13 07:11:59 -0500, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
said:

A number of years ago, a guy in a town about 10 miles from me, built a
big old boat in his backyard.
snip
A few years goes by .. another article in the newspaper. The guy was
finally finished with the home built boat.
snip
Guess what? The kids were "busy", they had no interest whatsoever of
sailing around the world.

Which points out to a primary reason for not home-building a boat: For
all those years, they were *working*, not out and learning the ropes,
building up experience, competence and confidence and enjoying family
bonding.

Let the kids live their lives, and if they feel that cruising is what
they want to do,, good for them.

You would let kids do only what they *want* to do? ;-)

Who is the 15 year old going to socialize with? What about stuff like
the school dance, the prom,
clubs, sports, boyfriends, going to camp, going to the beach with
friends, ..... can't you see, that
kids need to be with kids so they can grow up, then they can go cruising.

Cruisers, particularly those with kids, do *not* live in a vacuum --
always on the hook with no one else around. Kids are pretty much
*everywhere* in the world.

There are kids on other boats and on shore, and ports and marinas are
particularly good places to find responsible local kids -- who are more
than happy to socialize after (and during) work. A quick walk into town
finds the others.

"The beach" is a dink-ride away -- and they'll have a "driver's
license" and the freedom it gives years before the land-bound; they
*are* camping; various games "happen" wherever kids are; water sports
are almost unavoidable. Any place there are people, there will be
dances, socializing, partying, friendships, romances and so forth.
These days, they can even submerge themselves in the Wii/iPod/IM
culture, though such couch-potato things seem to be less appealing to
them with all the *activities* surrounding them. With fewer artificial
time-wasters, they are forced to pay more attention to the people and
places around them and since those things change, it's not the
same-old, same-old boring environment. There's always something new to
get out to see, new people (and kids) to get to know.

My observation of cruising kids at our docks has been that they form
new friendships almost immediately. Because they are periodically
forced to find new friends, they can't fall into the cliques that
inevitably form in static societies, so meet and befriend a wider range
of personality and values.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Jere,, you and salty.. I could not disagree more.

I work with kids everyday. The last thing they want to do is go cruising
with mom and dad.

Now.. if you told them they could have the boat and to cruising with their
friends?

I shudder to think what the boat would look like after a month...




"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news:2008011311161416807-jerelull@maccom...
On 2008-01-13 07:11:59 -0500, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
said:

A number of years ago, a guy in a town about 10 miles from me, built a
big old boat in his backyard.
snip
A few years goes by .. another article in the newspaper. The guy was
finally finished with the home built boat.
snip
Guess what? The kids were "busy", they had no interest whatsoever of
sailing around the world.

Which points out to a primary reason for not home-building a boat: For all
those years, they were *working*, not out and learning the ropes, building
up experience, competence and confidence and enjoying family bonding.

Let the kids live their lives, and if they feel that cruising is what
they want to do,, good for them.

You would let kids do only what they *want* to do? ;-)

Who is the 15 year old going to socialize with? What about stuff like
the school dance, the prom,
clubs, sports, boyfriends, going to camp, going to the beach with
friends, ..... can't you see, that
kids need to be with kids so they can grow up, then they can go cruising.

Cruisers, particularly those with kids, do *not* live in a vacuum --
always on the hook with no one else around. Kids are pretty much
*everywhere* in the world.

There are kids on other boats and on shore, and ports and marinas are
particularly good places to find responsible local kids -- who are more
than happy to socialize after (and during) work. A quick walk into town
finds the others.

"The beach" is a dink-ride away -- and they'll have a "driver's license"
and the freedom it gives years before the land-bound; they *are* camping;
various games "happen" wherever kids are; water sports are almost
unavoidable. Any place there are people, there will be dances,
socializing, partying, friendships, romances and so forth. These days,
they can even submerge themselves in the Wii/iPod/IM culture, though such
couch-potato things seem to be less appealing to them with all the
*activities* surrounding them. With fewer artificial time-wasters, they
are forced to pay more attention to the people and places around them and
since those things change, it's not the same-old, same-old boring
environment. There's always something new to get out to see, new people
(and kids) to get to know.

My observation of cruising kids at our docks has been that they form new
friendships almost immediately. Because they are periodically forced to
find new friends, they can't fall into the cliques that inevitably form in
static societies, so meet and befriend a wider range of personality and
values.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/