On Jan 6, 9:25*pm, Jere Lull wrote:

I don't know where you live, but they're paid pretty well in
Philadelphia, never mind what they get in the 'burbs.

"Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach."

Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD


how about some facts...................

I went back to school to get a teaching lisense K-8, self contained
classroom in Oregon. I substute taught for a a year cause the
republicans cut money to the schools. I finaly got a fulltime job
teaching 2nd grade.My first day was August 2001.

My take home after taxes, healthcare ( i paid $500/mo for a ****ty
family of 3 plan , retirement (they paid 1/2), union dues $25
was...............

$1745/mo take home
In my contract I had to work TWO days for free. It was called a
"service day."

After I spent 8 hours in the classroom I spent another 1-2 hours
preparing for the next day. Made for 10 hour days five days a week.
Oh, except on Sunday when I put an additional 2-3 hours in getting
ready for the week.

I lasted two years. Never worked so hard for so little in my life.

Another though............................................ ..
you have blue collar, white collar, and pink collar
jobs.................... The fact still remans that women make $0.72 -
$0.78 to a mans dollar. Why : to quote james Brown. "its a mans
world!"

Free market my ass. Woman could be a nurse , secratary or teacher. So
why do nurses get $25-45/ hr with sign on bonus of $5-10K and teachers
get 30-35K to start? Cause nursing doesnt have a bunch of Republikans
mandating ****ty wages from the state legislature. Nurses work at a
for-proffit business. Teachers have to beg a repubican for money.
Nurses dont. they just go to a better paying hospital. teachers cant
do that when the republicans have created a state wide controlled
industry. Remember.... keep big goventment off our back. well we got
it in Oregon. 10 years ago we had 500 state troopers. We got less than
200 now. that will keep traffic meth off our interstate
freeways....not!

Yep, $1745/month sure is a lot of money for a family of three.
Bob

On 2008-01-07 01:01:32 -0500, Bob said:

I finaly got a fulltime job teaching 2nd grade.My first day was August 2001.

My take home after taxes, healthcare ( i paid $500/mo for a ****ty
family of 3 plan , retirement (they paid 1/2), union dues $25
was...............

$1745/mo take home

And I started at $9 an hour --gross, with no benefits-- as a
programmer, admittedly a few years earlier. In any new career, you
often start at the bottom and pay your dues....

Main problem I see at the level you're talking about is that there has
historically been a glut of teachers who are willing to start work for
those low wages. Of late, there have been fewer so the legislatures
loosened the requirements to keep the labor force cheap.

Oh, and my current wife taught for 20+ years at the university level
before moving down. We eventually decided that the price of re-entry
here just wasn't worth it, as the most she could make as an adjunct was
20k.

Teachers have to beg a repubican for money. Nurses dont. they just go
to a better paying hospital. teachers cant do that when the republicans
have created a state wide controlled industry.

Must be different out there, as teachers regularly transfer to make
more around here. The state has very little control over individual
districts unless the legislature passes a bill specific to a district,
and then it's time-limited.

Those willing and able to put up with the first years have a pretty sweet deal.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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On Jan 6, 10:48*pm, WaIIy wrote:

Yep, $1745/month sure is a lot of money for a family of three.
Bob

Hmmm, the middle school librarian here makes $80K a year and retires at
90% salary.

Christ, thats good wages! Must have a stron union and some dems
hidding in the bushes. Or maybe the people in Phily value a good
education for their kids, no?


Anyway, if teaching is such a bad job, why did you go into it?- Hide quoted text -

I didnt say it was a bad job. I really enjoyed it but just didnt like
working my ass off for peanuts. Got to be practical bout this.

Why did I go into it???? I enjoy kids, I have some warped since of
civic service. You know, its not what your country can do for you its
what you bla bla bal. I belive in DOING somthign to make our country a
better place. Others just want to bitch, sit on their ass, and make
the government budget smaller and call it their contribution to our
country.

Heck, I still might be a teacher if it payed 80K plus perks.

What really burns my ass is when I read all this public school and
teacher bashing from people who most likley have never spent more than
a 1/2 hour in a school since they were 18 years old.......... and they
have kids! They listen to Limbaug and start to parrot. And
LImbaug..... whats his claim to fame???? Highschool education (self
admitted poor student), drug addicted, failed marrages, no kids, cant
even controll his weight. And he is an expert on public
education !???!?!?!
I bet that fat ass hasnt watched a teacher at work since he was
bullied in highschool. And he is an epert on public education?

Bob

On Jan 6, 10:48*pm, WaIIy wrote:

Uhhh, you get four months off a year.


I wish..............

Try this. I had a 195 day contract.
The typical joe works 5days/week/year.
52 x 5 = 260 days


260 joe blow - 195 teacher = teachers get 65 days off more than joe
blow.
Okay in Oregon a teacher is REQUIRED to get a master degree with in
five years and we are suppose to get that when?????? So the teacher
spends all that time....... "four months off" which is actually only
65 days less than a 40 hr/week burger flipper, scrambling for classes.
O, no university in your back yard. Thats okay you can dive a few
hudnerd miles a week or abandon your family to live in a dorm and if
your really lucky the school district MIGHT pay for 50% of the cost.

I say, You get what you pay for.
Why should anybody be a teacher when ya get **** for pay and have to
listen to all the republican **** in the press.
Bob



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On Jan 6, 10:48 pm, WaIIy wrote:

Another though............................................ ..
you have blue collar, white collar, and pink collar
jobs.................... The fact still remans that women make $0.72 -
$0.78 to a mans dollar. Why : to quote james Brown. "its a mans
world!"


Not true for the same job. That's a fallacy.

Sorry, but go talk to the US Bureau of Labor and Statistics. Unless
you believe the dems are so powerful they been dopin the stats for the
last 30 years. Just another fallacious argument by Limbaugh. Teachers
are a great example. Wage surveys say given everything the same a male
elementary teacher makes more than a woman elementary teacher. Why....?
That is where the problems start; interpreting the findings. Lots at
play here. However, I got a an "incentive" step raise cause males in
lower elementary are needed." Guess I had the right equipment to do
the job. Wonder what that cute 24 year old girl thought when I got
more bucks for the same job just cause I had a dick.

Getting people to believe the crap Limbaugh (GOP) says is a pretty
simply rhetorical strategy. Just look up and say, the sky is purple.
When enough people say the sky is purple its true....uh, sorta.

If you say something loud enough and long enough a voter will believe
anything.

Another good example is Environmentalist. An environmentalist is not a
wako tree hugging baby dipper doper commie. But lots of republicans
want you to believe that. I wonder why??

Another great way to get change (persuasion) is using inductive
reasoning. That is, "you can get a person to swallow an elephant if
you feed it to him one bite at a time."
Bob