Can someone give me a timeline of his trip? Obviously he left from Belize
and headed up the Mexican coast. According to something that I read or
saw, he was "forced" to pull into Mexico. When and where was this? When
did he depart for the US from Mexico and/or when did he clear Isla Mujares?

I fail to understand why no one seems to be asking any hard questions as to
what happened here instead seems to be saying "poor Joe". Other people who
have had problems and have been rescued by the CG have been
(inappropriately at times) torn to shreds in this group.

I'm not trying to be critical of Joe, but I certainly don't have a clear
picture of the whole event.

I'm a firm believer in the statement that "You can't choose the weather
that you sail in, but you can choose the weather you leave in."

-- Geoff

Do I have this right? A guy named "Joe" is out sailing with 5 tons cargo of
coffee beans?

I hope he gets the boat back .. and renames her:

Irony.

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 08:33:14 -0600, Geoff Schultz
wrote:

I'm not trying to be critical of Joe, but I certainly don't have a clear
picture of the whole event.

I'm a firm believer in the statement that "You can't choose the weather
that you sail in, but you can choose the weather you leave in."

Good questions but I'm not prepared to 2nd guess him. The forecasts
that I rely on clearly showed a widespread frontal system moving into
the Gulf at least 4 or 5 days in advance. That usually means strong
northerlies this time of year which was confirmed by the GRIB
forecasts.

Dave wrote:

Explain that to your wife when you buy that Ferrari.

What seems to escape you is that "You've already bought the Ferrari".
Only you don't drive it. DHS drives it using your money to pay for the
fuel, upkeep and salaries. It doesn't sit in the garage either. They
drive it until it's worn out and then go buy another using your Credit Card.

On Jan 2, 3:05 pm, Larry wrote:

Sad, indeed. He must have had HF/SSB aboard to call the hams, maybe on
14.300 Mhz. I wonder what he was doing out there without a 406 Mhz EPIRB?
The story or video made no mention of an EPIRB alarm.


Red Cloud did carry a 406 EPIRB that was activated

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:06:23 -0500, wrote:

I only see them training in good weather. There are
reasons for
that. :-)

So, you're afraid to get wet. Not at all surprising.

So how long have you been a twit ?



at least 5 years.

In article
,
wrote:

On Jan 2, 3:05 pm, Larry wrote:

Sad, indeed. He must have had HF/SSB aboard to call the hams, maybe on
14.300 Mhz. I wonder what he was doing out there without a 406 Mhz EPIRB?
The story or video made no mention of an EPIRB alarm.


Red Cloud did carry a 406 EPIRB that was activated

If it was one without GPS it may take max 2 hours to locate it (via
SARSAT, since GEOSAR does not help locatin) - so maybe this was the
reason for additionally calling via ham, and that this ermergency call
arrived first.

In an emergency one has to use whatever is avaiable, no regulation
should forbid that.

Marc

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Marc Heusser d wrote in
:

If it was one without GPS it may take max 2 hours to locate it

Precisely the reason those units need to be taken off the market.....

Larry
--
Next time some broker tells you what a great investment he's selling,
ask him about Rhodium, a shiny metal used in Catalytic Converters.
Jan 1st 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
Rhodium $452 $1341 $3006 $5339 $6775 PER OUNCE!
How much longer can we pay for new cars at this rate?
Feb '97 it was $182/oz

Bruce said this:
If, for example, the C.G. is out on a "training cruise" to burn up
their diesel budget (and I can assure you that the various members of
the US Government do strive mightily to use ALL their budget) and
diverts to rescue someone the C.G. does not immediately apply for
additional budget to cover the cost of the rescue. Therefore there is
not additional cost to the US Government and the Taxpayer.

Then Dave replied:
My point is that it's silly to talk about the "additional cost" as the
cost
of the rescue. By your reasoning the multimillion salary GM pays its
CEO, as
well as the costs of its production facilities, interest on its debt,
salary
of accountants, etc. contribute nothing to the cost of the car you buy
from
them, because the company would pay a CEO, hold onto the facility pay the
accountants, etc. no matter how many cars it sells. The only cost of a
car
under that reasoning is the cost of materials and the variable hourly
cost
of labor producing the particular vehicle.

Gummint can perhaps fool its citizens with that kind of sloppy
thinking. In
business it leads straight to the bankruptcy court.

Hey Dave,
My first semester buisness professor taught us that analogy as the
erroneous argument that it is. Military organizations do not produce a
product to sell. They are not in business to make a profit. They only
spend money, because they are a 100-percent total-loss system. So your
argument using this analogy is flawed.
Red

On Jan 5, 10:56 pm, Marc Heusser
d wrote:
In article
,

wrote:

Red Cloud did carry a 406 EPIRB that was activated

If it was one without GPS it may take max 2 hours to locate it (via
SARSAT, since GEOSAR does not help locatin) - so maybe this was the
reason for additionally calling via ham, and that this ermergency call
arrived first.

In an emergency one has to use whatever is avaiable, no regulation
should forbid that.

Marc

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http://www.heusser.com

The model EPIRB Red Cloud carried did have integral GPS

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