now, billie bob, that wasn't a nice thing to say. Did I insult the size of
your pee-pee? That was not my intention. I was merely saying that a total
electric boat only works as long as he total electrics work.

billie bob, very nearly ALL the crewing positions I have been on or have been
offered were for boats over 40 feet in length. Why? Well on one a boat nearly
50 feet, it took two of us (both strong, and both in good physical condition)
ten minutes or more to crank up the mainsail (even then it was a two-part
halyard to make the effort doable), with me cranking until I got tired, then
the other guy cranking until he got tired, then me cranking until Igot tired,
then he cranking and maybe me cranking again. That was the main sail.

As usual, you are an idiot.

BB

(JAXAshby) wrote:

no bb, a larger boat takes more effort unless every last thing is electric,
and
then only until the electric stuff breaks. Put all that electric stuff on a
boat and you no longer have a sailboat, you have a motorboat with sticks,
and
typically a LARGE motorboat with sticks, what with all the 200 amp
alternators,
800 amps of batteries, a large wind generator, a large genset, 300 watts of
solar power, a fifty pound windlass, 500 pounds of anchor chain on two 50
pound
anchors, 150# of dinghy davits, 50# of jib/staysail furling, 40# of mainsail
furling, 50# of electric winches on each side of the cockpit, and 1,500# of
extra diesel fuel to run all that that stuff plus motor more often because
the
boat is way down on its lines.

Pile all the electric stuff on a boat under 50 feet, let alone under 40
feet,
and you might as well buy a trawler and get a full size refridgerator to go
with it.


As usual, you are an idiot.

BB

Bigger boats, properly equipped, often require less physical ability to
manage.
You won't find a 30 foot boat with hydraulic winches, roller main, and
other
assistive equipment very often.

BB


Hi all,

A friend singlehands his boat, a 64 footer, ex-rescue boat, and he is 62
years old. He just brought it down from Seattle to San Diego and moves it
around the bay by himself. He has had it for about 7 years. It has
almost
no equipment upgrades to help.
Another friend brought his boat down from Vancouver and sail Mexico for
the
season. It is a newer schooner, has every gadget to help but it still 67
feet on deck and 74 feet overall.
And another person (not really a friend but a good sailor) sails his 62
footer all over the place by himself including multiple trips to the
South
Pacific and does it well when he is sober. I have watched him bring his
boat into the slip with 10 knots of wind on his beam blowing him toward
his
slipmate and never appear to be out of control.
Each of the three above can singlehandly take their boat off a mooring or
out of a dock, spend the day sailing the bay, and return to the mooring
or
dock without help. Each of them have made passages long and short
without
crew.
.
I singlehand my boat, a 46 footer. I have upgraded my equipment to help
and
have everything ran to the cockpit. I have roller furling on jib and
main.
Electric primary winches. And I am looking into the Hoyt jib boom with a
staysail/sayer rig to ease the work a bit more. With this boat the
longest
I have been a sea is about 24 hours, a nasty jaunt against wind and
waves.
The ride was easier than my smaller boat, and I have no reason to expect
any
more trouble with singlehanding this boat than a 30 footer.

Mike

12 inches, bb? about 4 strokes?

seems so.

now, go back to your dreams of getting laid by a 20 year old girl because you
own a 48 foot boat and your belly is too big to crank in a mainsail without an
electric winch.

geesh, dude. take up exercise and loss that belly. Then you won't have to be
considering a boat that if the electrics break when you are at sea and and 28
knots winds come along might kill you.

Or buy a Corvette, a gold Rolex and aligator shoes and go trolling for
chickies.

Thanks for positively re-confirming that you are an idiot.

BB

now, billie bob, that wasn't a nice thing to say. Did I insult the size of
your pee-pee? That was not my intention. I was merely saying that a total
electric boat only works as long as he total electrics work.

billie bob, very nearly ALL the crewing positions I have been on or have
been
offered were for boats over 40 feet in length. Why? Well on one a boat
nearly
50 feet, it took two of us (both strong, and both in good physical
condition)
ten minutes or more to crank up the mainsail (even then it was a two-part
halyard to make the effort doable), with me cranking until I got tired, then
the other guy cranking until he got tired, then me cranking until Igot
tired,
then he cranking and maybe me cranking again. That was the main sail.



Thanks for positively re-confirming that you are an idiot.

BB

As usual, you are an idiot.

BB

(JAXAshby) wrote:

no bb, a larger boat takes more effort unless every last thing is
electric,
and
then only until the electric stuff breaks. Put all that electric stuff on
a
boat and you no longer have a sailboat, you have a motorboat with sticks,
and
typically a LARGE motorboat with sticks, what with all the 200 amp
alternators,
800 amps of batteries, a large wind generator, a large genset, 300 watts
of
solar power, a fifty pound windlass, 500 pounds of anchor chain on two 50
pound
anchors, 150# of dinghy davits, 50# of jib/staysail furling, 40# of
mainsail
furling, 50# of electric winches on each side of the cockpit, and 1,500#
of
extra diesel fuel to run all that that stuff plus motor more often because
the
boat is way down on its lines.

Pile all the electric stuff on a boat under 50 feet, let alone under 40
feet,
and you might as well buy a trawler and get a full size refridgerator to
go
with it.


As usual, you are an idiot.

BB

Bigger boats, properly equipped, often require less physical ability to
manage.
You won't find a 30 foot boat with hydraulic winches, roller main, and
other
assistive equipment very often.

BB


Hi all,

A friend singlehands his boat, a 64 footer, ex-rescue boat, and he is
62
years old. He just brought it down from Seattle to San Diego and moves
it
around the bay by himself. He has had it for about 7 years. It has
almost
no equipment upgrades to help.
Another friend brought his boat down from Vancouver and sail Mexico for
the
season. It is a newer schooner, has every gadget to help but it still
67
feet on deck and 74 feet overall.
And another person (not really a friend but a good sailor) sails his 62
footer all over the place by himself including multiple trips to the
South
Pacific and does it well when he is sober. I have watched him bring
his
boat into the slip with 10 knots of wind on his beam blowing him toward
his
slipmate and never appear to be out of control.
Each of the three above can singlehandly take their boat off a mooring
or
out of a dock, spend the day sailing the bay, and return to the mooring
or
dock without help. Each of them have made passages long and short
without
crew.
.
I singlehand my boat, a 46 footer. I have upgraded my equipment to
help
and
have everything ran to the cockpit. I have roller furling on jib and
main.
Electric primary winches. And I am looking into the Hoyt jib boom with
a
staysail/sayer rig to ease the work a bit more. With this boat the
longest
I have been a sea is about 24 hours, a nasty jaunt against wind and
waves.
The ride was easier than my smaller boat, and I have no reason to
expect
any
more trouble with singlehanding this boat than a 30 footer.

Mike

12 inches, bb? about 4 strokes?

seems so.

now, go back to your dreams of getting laid by a 20 year old girl because you
own a 48 foot boat and your belly is too big to crank in a mainsail without an
electric winch.

geesh, dude. take up exercise and loss that belly. Then you won't have to be
considering a boat that if the electrics break when you are at sea and and 28
knots winds come along might kill you.

Or buy a Corvette, a gold Rolex and aligator shoes and go trolling for
chickies.

Thanks for positively re-confirming that you are an idiot.

BB

now, billie bob, that wasn't a nice thing to say. Did I insult the size of
your pee-pee? That was not my intention. I was merely saying that a total
electric boat only works as long as he total electrics work.

billie bob, very nearly ALL the crewing positions I have been on or have
been
offered were for boats over 40 feet in length. Why? Well on one a boat
nearly
50 feet, it took two of us (both strong, and both in good physical
condition)
ten minutes or more to crank up the mainsail (even then it was a two-part
halyard to make the effort doable), with me cranking until I got tired, then
the other guy cranking until he got tired, then me cranking until Igot
tired,
then he cranking and maybe me cranking again. That was the main sail.



Thanks for positively re-confirming that you are an idiot.

BB

As usual, you are an idiot.

BB

(JAXAshby) wrote:

no bb, a larger boat takes more effort unless every last thing is
electric,
and
then only until the electric stuff breaks. Put all that electric stuff on
a
boat and you no longer have a sailboat, you have a motorboat with sticks,
and
typically a LARGE motorboat with sticks, what with all the 200 amp
alternators,
800 amps of batteries, a large wind generator, a large genset, 300 watts
of
solar power, a fifty pound windlass, 500 pounds of anchor chain on two 50
pound
anchors, 150# of dinghy davits, 50# of jib/staysail furling, 40# of
mainsail
furling, 50# of electric winches on each side of the cockpit, and 1,500#
of
extra diesel fuel to run all that that stuff plus motor more often because
the
boat is way down on its lines.

Pile all the electric stuff on a boat under 50 feet, let alone under 40
feet,
and you might as well buy a trawler and get a full size refridgerator to
go
with it.


As usual, you are an idiot.

BB

Bigger boats, properly equipped, often require less physical ability to
manage.
You won't find a 30 foot boat with hydraulic winches, roller main, and
other
assistive equipment very often.

BB


Hi all,

A friend singlehands his boat, a 64 footer, ex-rescue boat, and he is
62
years old. He just brought it down from Seattle to San Diego and moves
it
around the bay by himself. He has had it for about 7 years. It has
almost
no equipment upgrades to help.
Another friend brought his boat down from Vancouver and sail Mexico for
the
season. It is a newer schooner, has every gadget to help but it still
67
feet on deck and 74 feet overall.
And another person (not really a friend but a good sailor) sails his 62
footer all over the place by himself including multiple trips to the
South
Pacific and does it well when he is sober. I have watched him bring
his
boat into the slip with 10 knots of wind on his beam blowing him toward
his
slipmate and never appear to be out of control.
Each of the three above can singlehandly take their boat off a mooring
or
out of a dock, spend the day sailing the bay, and return to the mooring
or
dock without help. Each of them have made passages long and short
without
crew.
.
I singlehand my boat, a 46 footer. I have upgraded my equipment to
help
and
have everything ran to the cockpit. I have roller furling on jib and
main.
Electric primary winches. And I am looking into the Hoyt jib boom with
a
staysail/sayer rig to ease the work a bit more. With this boat the
longest
I have been a sea is about 24 hours, a nasty jaunt against wind and
waves.
The ride was easier than my smaller boat, and I have no reason to
expect
any
more trouble with singlehanding this boat than a 30 footer.

Mike

Optimum is a fuzzy concept.. Optimum for what ?

Day-sailing vs passage making different optima apply.

The fatigue that you have in a small light boat in a seaway may impact your
ability to concentrate, and the compromise on size vs speed is still pretty
much as given in a conventional design. Perhaps the Tri and cat sailors have
something in the speed that allows them to sail in bursts. The Round the
world single handers do seem to have gone to the type specific fast light
boats but I would not want to own one...

I have a 20,000lb 40 ft boat with long keel and centerboard, with a 29 ft
waterline and a yawl rig with low aspect ratio (hoist 37 boom 17) main,
rating PHRF 174. The genoa sheet loads max in the 2000 lb range based on the
Harken calculations (http://www.harken.com/blocks/loads.pdf) and the winches
need to be sized for that. If I was going to seriously singlehand, I would
probably go for a Cutter/yawl for most flexibility of rig and redundancy.


With a two speed Mainsheet (4:1 and 16:1) I can trim everything with modest
strength (I am 6' 220lbs) and more important my theoretically 105 lb girl
friend can as well. (current women friends are a bit more robust S)

The heaviest job on board is hauling the 55lb anchor and 50ft of chain, but
the windlass does that nicely, backed up by the cockpit winches if needed.

--
Sheldon Haynie
Texas Instruments
50 Phillipe Cote
Manchester, NH 03101
603 222 8652

Optimum is a fuzzy concept.. Optimum for what ?

Day-sailing vs passage making different optima apply.

The fatigue that you have in a small light boat in a seaway may impact your
ability to concentrate, and the compromise on size vs speed is still pretty
much as given in a conventional design. Perhaps the Tri and cat sailors have
something in the speed that allows them to sail in bursts. The Round the
world single handers do seem to have gone to the type specific fast light
boats but I would not want to own one...

I have a 20,000lb 40 ft boat with long keel and centerboard, with a 29 ft
waterline and a yawl rig with low aspect ratio (hoist 37 boom 17) main,
rating PHRF 174. The genoa sheet loads max in the 2000 lb range based on the
Harken calculations (http://www.harken.com/blocks/loads.pdf) and the winches
need to be sized for that. If I was going to seriously singlehand, I would
probably go for a Cutter/yawl for most flexibility of rig and redundancy.


With a two speed Mainsheet (4:1 and 16:1) I can trim everything with modest
strength (I am 6' 220lbs) and more important my theoretically 105 lb girl
friend can as well. (current women friends are a bit more robust S)

The heaviest job on board is hauling the 55lb anchor and 50ft of chain, but
the windlass does that nicely, backed up by the cockpit winches if needed.

--
Sheldon Haynie
Texas Instruments
50 Phillipe Cote
Manchester, NH 03101
603 222 8652

"single-handed" was the definition, as was "off-shore". Tacit to the question
asked of the brokers was an an adult man is better than average physical
condition and greater than average strength, but also not a young, endurance
athlete/racer into the game for the glory and/or money.

Optimum is a fuzzy concept.. Optimum for what ?

Day-sailing vs passage making different optima apply.

The fatigue that you have in a small light boat in a seaway may impact your
ability to concentrate, and the compromise on size vs speed is still pretty
much as given in a conventional design. Perhaps the Tri and cat sailors have
something in the speed that allows them to sail in bursts. The Round the
world single handers do seem to have gone to the type specific fast light
boats but I would not want to own one...

I have a 20,000lb 40 ft boat with long keel and centerboard, with a 29 ft
waterline and a yawl rig with low aspect ratio (hoist 37 boom 17) main,
rating PHRF 174. The genoa sheet loads max in the 2000 lb range based on the
Harken calculations (http://www.harken.com/blocks/loads.pdf) and the winches
need to be sized for that. If I was going to seriously singlehand, I would
probably go for a Cutter/yawl for most flexibility of rig and redundancy.


With a two speed Mainsheet (4:1 and 16:1) I can trim everything with modest
strength (I am 6' 220lbs) and more important my theoretically 105 lb girl
friend can as well. (current women friends are a bit more robust )

The heaviest job on board is hauling the 55lb anchor and 50ft of chain, but
the windlass does that nicely, backed up by the cockpit winches if needed.

--
Sheldon Haynie
Texas Instruments
50 Phillipe Cote
Manchester, NH 03101
603 222 8652

"single-handed" was the definition, as was "off-shore". Tacit to the question
asked of the brokers was an an adult man is better than average physical
condition and greater than average strength, but also not a young, endurance
athlete/racer into the game for the glory and/or money.

Optimum is a fuzzy concept.. Optimum for what ?

Day-sailing vs passage making different optima apply.

The fatigue that you have in a small light boat in a seaway may impact your
ability to concentrate, and the compromise on size vs speed is still pretty
much as given in a conventional design. Perhaps the Tri and cat sailors have
something in the speed that allows them to sail in bursts. The Round the
world single handers do seem to have gone to the type specific fast light
boats but I would not want to own one...

I have a 20,000lb 40 ft boat with long keel and centerboard, with a 29 ft
waterline and a yawl rig with low aspect ratio (hoist 37 boom 17) main,
rating PHRF 174. The genoa sheet loads max in the 2000 lb range based on the
Harken calculations (http://www.harken.com/blocks/loads.pdf) and the winches
need to be sized for that. If I was going to seriously singlehand, I would
probably go for a Cutter/yawl for most flexibility of rig and redundancy.


With a two speed Mainsheet (4:1 and 16:1) I can trim everything with modest
strength (I am 6' 220lbs) and more important my theoretically 105 lb girl
friend can as well. (current women friends are a bit more robust )

The heaviest job on board is hauling the 55lb anchor and 50ft of chain, but
the windlass does that nicely, backed up by the cockpit winches if needed.

--
Sheldon Haynie
Texas Instruments
50 Phillipe Cote
Manchester, NH 03101
603 222 8652