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Pacific Seacraft builds their boats completely at their facility in Southern
California, from molds through to the to finish work. It's a great shop,
but since I had them build me my PSC44 (hull #16) a couple of years ago, I'm
kinda biased. I sail out of Sausalito (San Francisco Bay), took her to
Hawaii and back last summer, and love the boat.

-Paul
(s/v VALIS)

"Steve" wrote in message
...

Thanks for the correction Cindy.

The Bruce Bingham Fantasia was also built by the Ta Yang yard.

Interesting how these Tiawan boats are still around and enjoy a good
reputation. There was much skepticism when they started competing with the
Cheoy Lee and US made boats.

If I'm not mistaken, Pacific Seacraft is now having their boats built in
Tiawan. I was told that they build the plug, mold and the first hull in
the
US and then turn over production to the Off Shore yard.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

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Paul, I think that may have changed or changed for certain models..

I wish I could lay my hands on that information but what I came across was
was a Pachific Seacraft that was for sail.. (I review a hundred listing a
month, when I don't have anything better to do.) It was touted as Hull #1
(first out of the mold) prior to the mold being shipped over to Tiawan for
the ultimate production run..

As it was explained to me, the plug and mold were made in the PS, So Cal.
facilities and then the hull and deck fit tested etc. The interior pattern
bulkhead and cabinetry patterns are also developed in So Cal., everything
until the first hull is completed and sea trialed... Kind of a test and
trial project. After that, the molds and patterns were sent to Tiawan..

Now, this may have been a boat that PS ultimately decided they didn't want
to put into production, with their name on it and sold the production rights
to a Tiawan yard.

The advert/listing for this boat high lighted the fact that this was hull #1
and was produced at PacSeacraft while all others were from Tiawan..

I'm not saying that any other Pac. Seacraft boats are made over in Tiawan.
But there seems to be at least on model that was..

Pacific Seacraft, IMHO, is one of the best in quality. Right up there with
Shannon which I also like..

BTW.. Someone mentioned that Crealock was the primary designer of the PS
boats.. Bruce Bingham did some of the smaller boats and may have had a hand
in some of the nice interior designs of others.

--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

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Paul, I think that may have changed or changed for certain models..

I wish I could lay my hands on that information but what I came across was
was a Pachific Seacraft that was for sail.. (I review a hundred listing a
month, when I don't have anything better to do.) It was touted as Hull #1
(first out of the mold) prior to the mold being shipped over to Tiawan for
the ultimate production run..

As it was explained to me, the plug and mold were made in the PS, So Cal.
facilities and then the hull and deck fit tested etc. The interior pattern
bulkhead and cabinetry patterns are also developed in So Cal., everything
until the first hull is completed and sea trialed... Kind of a test and
trial project. After that, the molds and patterns were sent to Tiawan..

Now, this may have been a boat that PS ultimately decided they didn't want
to put into production, with their name on it and sold the production rights
to a Tiawan yard.

The advert/listing for this boat high lighted the fact that this was hull #1
and was produced at PacSeacraft while all others were from Tiawan..

I'm not saying that any other Pac. Seacraft boats are made over in Tiawan.
But there seems to be at least on model that was..

Pacific Seacraft, IMHO, is one of the best in quality. Right up there with
Shannon which I also like..

BTW.. Someone mentioned that Crealock was the primary designer of the PS
boats.. Bruce Bingham did some of the smaller boats and may have had a hand
in some of the nice interior designs of others.

--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

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Steve wrote:
Paul, I think that may have changed or changed for certain models..

I wish I could lay my hands on that information but what I came across was
was a Pachific Seacraft that was for sail.. (I review a hundred listing a
month, when I don't have anything better to do.) It was touted as Hull #1
(first out of the mold) prior to the mold being shipped over to Tiawan for
the ultimate production run..


This may refer to one of the trawlers (Nordhaven 40?) rather than
the sailboats. I'm pretty sure the sailboats are still built and
finished in Fullerton.

Cindy


--
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Steve wrote:
Paul, I think that may have changed or changed for certain models..

I wish I could lay my hands on that information but what I came across was
was a Pachific Seacraft that was for sail.. (I review a hundred listing a
month, when I don't have anything better to do.) It was touted as Hull #1
(first out of the mold) prior to the mold being shipped over to Tiawan for
the ultimate production run..


This may refer to one of the trawlers (Nordhaven 40?) rather than
the sailboats. I'm pretty sure the sailboats are still built and
finished in Fullerton.

Cindy


--
the return email is a spam trap
send legit emails to cindy_at_ballreich_dot_net

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This may be related -- Pacific Seacraft had been making the Nordhavn
trawlers in Fullerton, but Nordhavn recently took the production of the
trawlers elsewhere (some or all of them, I'm not sure). Pacific Seacraft
also has their own trawler line. I don't know a lot about them, since I'm a
sailboat freak myself, but I did see some of each under construction when I
visited there.
-Paul

"Cindy Ballreich" wrote in message
...
Steve wrote:
Paul, I think that may have changed or changed for certain models..

I wish I could lay my hands on that information but what I came across
was
was a Pachific Seacraft that was for sail.. (I review a hundred listing
a
month, when I don't have anything better to do.) It was touted as Hull
#1
(first out of the mold) prior to the mold being shipped over to Tiawan
for
the ultimate production run..


This may refer to one of the trawlers (Nordhaven 40?) rather than
the sailboats. I'm pretty sure the sailboats are still built and
finished in Fullerton.

Cindy


--
the return email is a spam trap
send legit emails to cindy_at_ballreich_dot_net

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This may be related -- Pacific Seacraft had been making the Nordhavn
trawlers in Fullerton, but Nordhavn recently took the production of the
trawlers elsewhere (some or all of them, I'm not sure). Pacific Seacraft
also has their own trawler line. I don't know a lot about them, since I'm a
sailboat freak myself, but I did see some of each under construction when I
visited there.
-Paul

"Cindy Ballreich" wrote in message
...
Steve wrote:
Paul, I think that may have changed or changed for certain models..

I wish I could lay my hands on that information but what I came across
was
was a Pachific Seacraft that was for sail.. (I review a hundred listing
a
month, when I don't have anything better to do.) It was touted as Hull
#1
(first out of the mold) prior to the mold being shipped over to Tiawan
for
the ultimate production run..


This may refer to one of the trawlers (Nordhaven 40?) rather than
the sailboats. I'm pretty sure the sailboats are still built and
finished in Fullerton.

Cindy


--
the return email is a spam trap
send legit emails to cindy_at_ballreich_dot_net

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I have _heard_ that Pacific Seacraft was sold to a Japanese company. For sure
it was common knowledge that 3 or 4 or 5 years ago PS was on the edge of
insolvency. I most casually mentioned it in passing to a counter hostess at
the PS display at the Annapolis boat show and draw an unbelievably sharp
response.

This may be related -- Pacific Seacraft had been making the Nordhavn
trawlers in Fullerton, but Nordhavn recently took the production of the
trawlers elsewhere (some or all of them, I'm not sure). Pacific Seacraft
also has their own trawler line. I don't know a lot about them, since I'm a
sailboat freak myself, but I did see some of each under construction when I
visited there.
-Paul

"Cindy Ballreich" wrote in message
...
Steve wrote:
Paul, I think that may have changed or changed for certain models..

I wish I could lay my hands on that information but what I came across
was
was a Pachific Seacraft that was for sail.. (I review a hundred listing
a
month, when I don't have anything better to do.) It was touted as Hull
#1
(first out of the mold) prior to the mold being shipped over to Tiawan
for
the ultimate production run..


This may refer to one of the trawlers (Nordhaven 40?) rather than
the sailboats. I'm pretty sure the sailboats are still built and
finished in Fullerton.

Cindy


--
the return email is a spam trap
send legit emails to cindy_at_ballreich_dot_net

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I have _heard_ that Pacific Seacraft was sold to a Japanese company. For sure
it was common knowledge that 3 or 4 or 5 years ago PS was on the edge of
insolvency. I most casually mentioned it in passing to a counter hostess at
the PS display at the Annapolis boat show and draw an unbelievably sharp
response.

This may be related -- Pacific Seacraft had been making the Nordhavn
trawlers in Fullerton, but Nordhavn recently took the production of the
trawlers elsewhere (some or all of them, I'm not sure). Pacific Seacraft
also has their own trawler line. I don't know a lot about them, since I'm a
sailboat freak myself, but I did see some of each under construction when I
visited there.
-Paul

"Cindy Ballreich" wrote in message
...
Steve wrote:
Paul, I think that may have changed or changed for certain models..

I wish I could lay my hands on that information but what I came across
was
was a Pachific Seacraft that was for sail.. (I review a hundred listing
a
month, when I don't have anything better to do.) It was touted as Hull
#1
(first out of the mold) prior to the mold being shipped over to Tiawan
for
the ultimate production run..


This may refer to one of the trawlers (Nordhaven 40?) rather than
the sailboats. I'm pretty sure the sailboats are still built and
finished in Fullerton.

Cindy


--
the return email is a spam trap
send legit emails to cindy_at_ballreich_dot_net

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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:39:05 -0500, "Armond Perretta"
wrote:

However depending on boat size, having a canoe stern gives up a few positive
aspects of transom stern boats

One such thing is the ability to have a swim platform/integral
ladder/easy transition from dinghy to cockpit. That's important to
many people, including me.