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Jere Lull wrote in news:2007112202034075249-
jerelull@maccom:

The amount of gold it would take to buy a mid-range BMW or similar
vehicle has been surprisingly (to many) constant over the last few
decades when expressed in ounces of gold.



....probably because the actual VALUE of gold hasn't changed in 5000 years.
IT, not some paper scam from the elite banker class, is the standard by
which value is measured.

Value doesn't change.....prices do.

Larry
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WaIIy wrote in
:

One liter of used vegetable oil can produce 0.9 liter of biodiesel fuel,
according to the company.



SHHHHHHHHH! GEEZ! Keep it QUIET!.....(c;

Next thing you know these Vietnamese restaurant owners see this and they'll
want me to pay for it!



Larry
--
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Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
:

If Indonesia were to announce tomorrow that they had made a discovery
of the largest oil deposits in history the price wold fall
dramatically because oil brokers would figure that there would be an
oil glut in a little while.



In 1978-79, I lived in Tehran, Iran. I worked for an American contractor
in the Iranian Air Force SIGINT/ELINT business. We monitored Saddam and
Afghanistan and along the Gulf, while the CIA kept an eye on the Russians
along the northern border from atop the Alborz Mountains.

I got to fly in the mission's C-130's across Iran many times, even though
it wasn't really my job description because I'm a good technician they
lacked. I'd fly every chance I got. When a Richter 7 earthquake hit the
little city of Tabbas, I flew 24/7 for over a week, sleeping on the
airplanes and eating MREs from a can delivering stuff to the refugees to
live on. It was awful. The whole city collapsed just as they were
eating dinner. 25,000 died in seconds.

I'll tell you where new oil is. It's in the Iranian mountains that have
never been walked on in the history of man. Most people have no idea now
VAST this country is. The population is centered around a scattering of
cities with an amazingly wide unspoiled wilderness in between. Iran's
mountains are some of the most beautiful places on the planet, totally
inaccessible on the ground. I sat for hours in the open aft hatch of the
C-130s taking it all in. Too bad cameras were forbidden. If we had
crashed, we'd still be there decades later.

As an example of what's in those mountains, two Americans who worked for
National Iranian Oil flew out to an area with no history looking for more
oil in a helicopter. They didn't find any. But, alas, they stumbled
upon the second largest deposit of virgin COPPER on the planet! Some of
it even laid on the ground! Noone knew of it, before, because in 5000
years noone had ever been there. There's only a shortage of ROADS and
PIPELINES in Iran.....it's why the bankers want America to attack them
next in their conquest for the "New World Order" Orwell described.

Larry
--
Xterm IS the ultimate video game...(c;

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Larry wrote:
WaIIy wrote in
:

One liter of used vegetable oil can produce 0.9 liter of biodiesel fuel,
according to the company.



SHHHHHHHHH! GEEZ! Keep it QUIET!.....(c;

Next thing you know these Vietnamese restaurant owners see this and they'll
want me to pay for it!



Larry

Portland Oregon recyclers are PAYING restaurants up to $1.30 per gallon!
G

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On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 05:34:08 -0500, WaIIy
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 08:39:02 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

After you previous post about bio-diesel I investigated used cooking
oil in thailand and found that the big fast food chains, Mcdonalds,
KFC, etc., all have contracts to selling their used cooking oil - to
whom or for what they did not, would not, discuss.

The normal Thai/Chinese kitchen does not produce any appreciable
amount of used cooking oil as most dishes are prepared in a wok and
the oil becomes part of the food.

I also priced new palm oil and at the moment it is slightly higher in
price then diesel.

So, at least for now, there is no free lunch in thailand :-)

Used cooking oil fuels Thai crimefighters

Nov 14, 2007

BANGKOK (AFP) — Thailand's police are turning to used cooking oil
as they seek cheaper and more environmentally-friendly fuels in
the face of soaring oil prices, they said Wednesday.

Police budgets have been hit hard by oil prices of more than 90
dollars a barrel, forcing them to tap alternative sources such as
biodiesel made from old cooking oil donated by hotels, fast food
shops and even shrines.

"The purpose of this project is in response to the King urging us
to use biodiesel, save the budget, reduce pollution," Lieutenant
Colonel Tepvisit Potigengrid, deputy commander of Bangkok's
Bangrak district, told AFP.

He said homemade biodiesel now accounted for 50 percent of the
fuel used at his city centre station since the project was
launched in March.

Out of the 88 police stations in the Thai capital, eight have
adopted the project.

http://www.mywire.com/pubs/AFP/2007/11/14/4947523

==================
Thai oil refiner to produce biodiesel with vegetable oil


A Thai major oil refiner, Bangchak Petroleum Plc, has launched a project
to buy used vegetable oil from consumers to produce biodiesel to help
recycle vegetable oil that would otherwise provide a health risk and
disposal problem.

Bangchak president Anusorn Saengnimnuan and Prince of Songkhla
University (PSU), Hat Yai Campus Rector Boonsom Siribamrungsuk signed an
agreement to cooperate in producing biodiesel from used vegetable oil,
Thai News Agency reported Monday.

Anusorn said Bangchak is now constructing biodiesel refinery which has a
capacity of 20,000 liters per day which is expected to be completed in
November.

The biodiesel refinery would use technology developed by PSU and
biodiesel from the plant would be sold at Bangchak's gas stations, he
said.

Five Bangchak petrol stations in Bangkok will initially buy used
vegetable oil from consumers at 12 baht per kilogram if the oil passes
the company's acceptance criteria such as bright color and not being
contaminated with water or food.

One liter of used vegetable oil can produce 0.9 liter of biodiesel fuel,
according to the company.

The program is in response to the Thai government policy to promote the
use of biodiesel to 8.5 million liters per day, Anusorn said, as
Bangchak expects to have 100 biodiesel stations operational by the end
of this year.

Source:Xinhua

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/20...05_299669.html


Yes, I read those articles some months ago in the Bangkok Post (the
largest English language newspaper in Thailand) however, other then
the article nothing more appears to be happening. As far as the police
using bio-diesel at 8 of 88 police stations in Bangkok it frankly
sounds rather strange as the Bangkok police's major use of motor
vehicles in Bangkok is motorcycles. Not diesel trucks.

If Bangchak plans on having 100 biodiesel stations operational by the
end of the year they better get started as it is November and not a
one is under construction. In fact, to the best of my knowledge,
Bangchak only refines fuel, I believe it has no retail sales at all.

A brother-in-law had plans to start a palm oil refinery in N.E.
Thailand to produce biodiesel and abandoned the project as there was
no interest by trucking companies and the banks felt the idea was poor
and had no interest in investing.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
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Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
:

sounds rather strange as the Bangkok police's major use of motor
vehicles in Bangkok is motorcycles. Not diesel trucks.


Maybe they're going diesel motorcycles:
http://www.dieselbike.net/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_motorcycle
http://thekneeslider.com/archives/20...-turbo-diesel-
motorcycle/

Here's a Royal Enfield 1-cyl Diesel motorcycle....on the road!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bXcg...eature=related
It sometimes approached.....well....1200 RPM!.,...(c;

Larry
--
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On 2007-11-22 06:23:18 -0500, Bruce in Bangkok said:

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 07:14:35 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

On 2007-11-21 20:39:15 -0500, Bruce in Bangkok said:

Of course, oil is finite and the day will come when it is no longer
available but I doubt that anyone knows with any certainty when that
will occur.

I agree and am personally working towards zero "oil" consumption (even
bio-oil that I currently consume), but reiterate that some sources of
"oil" will be available if, and only if, the cost of the raw materials
rises to a realistic value.

If "crude" rises to $200 per barrel, reserves will "expand" exponentially.

I think I mentioned that there are many fields that for one reason or
another were too expensive to produce at $60 dollar crude that are now
viable. When the price hits $200 then more fields will be opened up.

That was what I was referring to. I recall reading that there
astounding amounts of oil in North America, just too expensive.

Alternate energy look more affordable at those levels, too.

'Course, there's always coal, which is dirt cheap... Looks like about
$30 per ton.

By the way, at the present it is probably impossible to be a zero oil
consumer since a very large portion of world crude production is used
in other then power production. Nearly all plastics and a great deal of
the fertilizer used are made from oil. I'm not 100% sure but I'd guess
that much of your boat is actually made from oil.

Yes, it did consume a bunch of oil -- 35 years ago. That really can't
be considered current consumption. While we're out, our major energy
consumption is probably for ice, though our food energy/oil bill is
probably pretty big, but I have no way to calculate the components.

I agree, it's probably next to impossible to not consume oil somewhere
along the line, but it's possible to get very low.


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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:44:10 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

On 2007-11-22 06:23:18 -0500, Bruce in Bangkok said:

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 07:14:35 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

On 2007-11-21 20:39:15 -0500, Bruce in Bangkok said:

Of course, oil is finite and the day will come when it is no longer
available but I doubt that anyone knows with any certainty when that
will occur.

I agree and am personally working towards zero "oil" consumption (even
bio-oil that I currently consume), but reiterate that some sources of
"oil" will be available if, and only if, the cost of the raw materials
rises to a realistic value.

If "crude" rises to $200 per barrel, reserves will "expand" exponentially.

I think I mentioned that there are many fields that for one reason or
another were too expensive to produce at $60 dollar crude that are now
viable. When the price hits $200 then more fields will be opened up.

That was what I was referring to. I recall reading that there
astounding amounts of oil in North America, just too expensive.

We worked on a project for City Service who drilled two wells in the
Java Sea; and found oil. The oil had a very high paraffin content and
solidified at normal temperatures so City Service abandoned the field.
In a discussion while they were closing down their operation I asked
about the oil and was told that, "it would cosy too much to produce it
but we won;t forget it and some day the price will go up and we'll
come back".

Alternate energy look more affordable at those levels, too.

'Course, there's always coal, which is dirt cheap... Looks like about
$30 per ton.

The Oil Shale "experiment worked but was too expensive at the time to
produce oil. Perhaps next year?

By the way, at the present it is probably impossible to be a zero oil
consumer since a very large portion of world crude production is used
in other then power production. Nearly all plastics and a great deal of
the fertilizer used are made from oil. I'm not 100% sure but I'd guess
that much of your boat is actually made from oil.

Yes, it did consume a bunch of oil -- 35 years ago. That really can't
be considered current consumption. While we're out, our major energy
consumption is probably for ice, though our food energy/oil bill is
probably pretty big, but I have no way to calculate the components.

I agree, it's probably next to impossible to not consume oil somewhere
along the line, but it's possible to get very low.


I recently read an abstract of a paper that discussed alternate
sources of feed stock for the plastics industry. It stated that:

"Over 99% of all plastics are produced or derived from the major
non-renewable energy sources – crude oil, natural gas, naptha and coal
– which are used as both an energy and feedstock material in
processing."

While power and heating obviously consume massive amounts of oil the
none power use is also huge.

So when you put the new poly lines on the boat.......


Bruce-in-Bangkok
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from address for reply)

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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:49:48 +0000, Larry wrote:

Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
:

sounds rather strange as the Bangkok police's major use of motor
vehicles in Bangkok is motorcycles. Not diesel trucks.


Maybe they're going diesel motorcycles:
http://www.dieselbike.net/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_motorcycle
http://thekneeslider.com/archives/20...-turbo-diesel-
motorcycle/

Here's a Royal Enfield 1-cyl Diesel motorcycle....on the road!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bXcg...eature=related
It sometimes approached.....well....1200 RPM!.,...(c;

Larry


As Will Rogers said, "all I know is what I read in the newspapers" but
the King, who is highly revered, almost worshipped, has made several
widely reported speeches about Thailand becoming a self supporting
country, and this is an election year, it would make perfect sense for
a government body such as the Police to say that they were using a non
crude oil product and for a refinery to announce a non crude based
fuel. But as I said, there is no evidence of any new fuel stations
being built and little, if any talk about alternate fuels except for
gasohol.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
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from address for reply)