Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
The problem with a fixed gen set in a 35 foot boat (I think the OP
said that) is where do you put it? I've seen them installed but
generally it turns out to be a compromise.

PhantMan wrote:
That size sailboat usually has such a relatively small engine anyway,
I've often wondered why someone doesn't market a combination primary
propulsion/genset. IOW, one engine that drives both the prop and the
generator. Seems it would help with the space problem as well as
weight distribution.

Harald Hannelius wrote:
Oh, like the new Yanmar-set?
http://www.yanmarmarine.com/press/ar...ist=100&id=420

PhantMan wrote:
Exactly! ... I think.
Without a picture.... well, the description is less than a thousand
words. But it sounds about like what I was thinking. Smallish engine,
generator lined up behind and on the centerline for balance, spins the
prop or the generator or both, yeah... like that :-)
Nice find :-)

Harald Hannelius wrote:
Google on "KMG65E" and you'll find pictures too;
http://www.boatingoz.com.au/default....ws%2F13034%2F0

My faith in capitalism and ingenuity has been bolstered... again.
That idea, along with a few others, has been stuck in my head for
years. Can't tell you the number of times I've pushed it on
manufacturers at boat shows etc. whenever the chance arose but I don't
think anyone listened. *Finally*, somebody has seen the light.
Now... if I can only get a TV manufacturer to install a "page button"
on their TVs, that'll beep its remote control so I can find it under
the couch or amongst the cushions or magazines. The cordless phone
guys already had the idea, now the TV guys just need to steal it ;-)
Ya think that's asking too much? ;-)

Rick

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:06:18 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote:

This includes those obnoxious wind generators,
too. The noise they make is particularly bothersome. How has it
come about that a few selfish people are ruining cruising for all
concerned?

The ones that put out a megawatt or more don't make all that much
noise and are not particularly obnoxious. Low RPM, they make kind of a
swishing sound. Too bad they weigh fifty tons and up. We have 600 of
the big ones here in Iowa, and as far as I know, none of the little
ones you object to. I have seen pix of the ones you refer to.

Casady

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:35:55 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

We have 600 of
the big ones here in Iowa

I saw the wind farm near Denison last summer, very impressive.

Richard Casady wrote:

The ones that put out a megawatt or more don't make all that much
noise and are not particularly obnoxious. Low RPM, they make kind of a
swishing sound. Too bad they weigh fifty tons and up. We have 600 of
the big ones here in Iowa, and as far as I know, none of the little
ones you object to. I have seen pix of the ones you refer to.

Did you post this for any reason other than to post? The fact is that
the wind gennies used on sailboats are noisy and also dangerous. While
rare, if one of them comes down, it'll kill you if it hits you. It'll
tear the squat out of your boat too.

The Honda generators can be converted to run on propane. Supposedly they
lose about 10% of power as a result. But at least you do not need to
carry gasoline (although I bet we all do for our dinghies).

"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news:2007102503284716807-jerelull@maccom...
On 2007-10-24 09:14:47 -0400, Paul Cassel
said:

Glenn (s/v Seawing) wrote:
Summer in FL & the Bahamas might be harder to deal with though.


It all depends on breeze. If you on anchor, it's ok. If you are tied up
at the dock, especially in Aug and Sep, then it's tough, but then you
have shore power.

We've rarely wanted more than wind scoops at night. During the day, a
quick swim does the trick...

It's so sad to see folks in an anchorage on even moderate days, all
buttoned up with the generator running to keep the a/c going. Doubt they
even look out the windows, yet they're "out on the water".

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/


Yes, both of you make sense. When the weather is hot...or actually even
when it's not, I spend little time below deck. Actually, I most often end
up launching my dingy and go exploring or fishing or both (I'm really bad at
fishing but persist).

Paul's on to something...it's the insects in the summer that drive us below.
I am planning to build a hard bimini with bug screens, so this will provide
an above deck place with a breeze but 'bug-free'.

I'm not big on hiding below deck with a/c...but want the option...especially
with wife and kids aboard & for a longer term (year...year & a half...maybe
more). I want the family to be happy aboard so all will be happy to keep
going.

Thanks guys!

Glenn.
s/v Seawing.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:06:18 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote:

Even if I can't hear the exhaust, I can smell the
fumes. So what diesel boats need to do is anchor downwind of
EVERYBODY! Unfortunately you rarely see it. They know that
downwind from everybody exposes them to assholes who anchor upwind
of everybody and run generators.

There are plenty of cruising sailboats running the diesel aux at night
to charge batteries. It's not just generators. Frankly I've never
found fumes to be a big problem. The noise from on deck Hondas is
the real issue.


This can be an issue. Funny, usually I run my Honda in the morning...hot
shower for the Admiral.

Glenn.
s/v Seawing.

"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. ..
Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:06:18 -0400, "Gregory Hall"

On the other hand one can simply anchor somewhere away from the common
herd. I for one go sailing to get away from people. Then you can do as
you damned please.

Maybe in the magic land of far far away but anyplace I've ever been,
anchorages are designated areas or only a few areas are suitable. During
my singlehanding the entire eastern coast, I'd say I only anchored alone
maybe half a dozen times over many months. Someone else always showed up
or was there.

The only discourteous boat was a power boat who played music loudly.
Someone (not me) cut his anchor rope & he got the message I suppose and
left.

-paul

Okay, so we've been blessed...or very anti-social. I love people & being
around them...and also time with us alone. Funny, but in Florida I've often
found places to anchor alone...or at least pretty far from any other boats.

Power boaters blasting music...and kicking up huge wakes as they pass
through the anchorage...stink-boaters! O...right...my dear ol' Dad is now
running a GB...oops. :-).

Glenn.
s/v Seawing.

"126298" wrote in message
...
The Honda generators can be converted to run on propane. Supposedly they
lose about 10% of power as a result. But at least you do not need to
carry gasoline (although I bet we all do for our dinghies).


Okay...so this I'm interested in...how?

Glenn.
s/v Seawing.

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 04:52:40 GMT, "Glenn \(s/v Seawing\)"
wrote:

This can be an issue. Funny, usually I run my Honda in the morning...hot
shower for the Admiral.

If you have a FWC engine it is easy to heat water with a loop from the
aux. That's a lot quieter on most boats than an on deck Honda and you
get your batteries charged as a bonus.