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Who's at fault here
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Who's at fault here
On 2007-10-17 14:47:31 -0400, Joe said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2hrUSs9ndA&NR=1 BOTH boats. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Who's at fault here
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:11:31 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-10-17 14:47:31 -0400, Joe said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2hrUSs9ndA&NR=1 BOTH boats. Probably so but it is an interesting situation, apparently between two boats of significantly different speed. I see that sort of thing quite often from the perspective of our relatively slow trawler and a fast moving boat that is highly maneuverable. It is almost as though the larger slower boat is stopped, and entirely up to the faster more maneuverable boat to avoid the collision regardless of the technicalities involved. Basically a faster boat has the ability to maneuver into a situation where a collision becomes unavoidable, and it almost looks to me as though that may have been involved in this incident. That would put them at fault of course, even though approaching from the starboard side of the larger boat. |
Who's at fault here
Naturally the video is only of the last moments so we can't see what led
up to the collision, but if this was a normal head to head or nearly so they both screwed up in many ways.... especially the boat the video was being shot from. \ Wayne.B wrote in : On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:11:31 GMT, Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-10-17 14:47:31 -0400, Joe said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2hrUSs9ndA&NR=1 BOTH boats. Probably so but it is an interesting situation, apparently between two boats of significantly different speed. I see that sort of thing quite often from the perspective of our relatively slow trawler and a fast moving boat that is highly maneuverable. It is almost as though the larger slower boat is stopped, and entirely up to the faster more maneuverable boat to avoid the collision regardless of the technicalities involved. Basically a faster boat has the ability to maneuver into a situation where a collision becomes unavoidable, and it almost looks to me as though that may have been involved in this incident. That would put them at fault of course, even though approaching from the starboard side of the larger boat. |
Who's at fault here
"otnmbrd" wrote in message
.70... Naturally the video is only of the last moments so we can't see what led up to the collision, but if this was a normal head to head or nearly so they both screwed up in many ways.... especially the boat the video was being shot from. \ Wayne.B wrote in : On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:11:31 GMT, Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-10-17 14:47:31 -0400, Joe said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2hrUSs9ndA&NR=1 BOTH boats. Probably so but it is an interesting situation, apparently between two boats of significantly different speed. I see that sort of thing quite often from the perspective of our relatively slow trawler and a fast moving boat that is highly maneuverable. It is almost as though the larger slower boat is stopped, and entirely up to the faster more maneuverable boat to avoid the collision regardless of the technicalities involved. Basically a faster boat has the ability to maneuver into a situation where a collision becomes unavoidable, and it almost looks to me as though that may have been involved in this incident. That would put them at fault of course, even though approaching from the starboard side of the larger boat. It didn't quite look like head-to-head. It looked like a crossing situation somewhat. The boat on the right is right, but both are at fault. Both boats should have turned to starboard. I don't see how you can say the faster boat would have or wouldn't have the ability to maneuver. Looks like plenty of sea room to me for both boats. Idiots.... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Who's at fault here
Joe wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2hrUSs9ndA&NR=1 The vessel from which the footage was taken was in this instance the "give way vessel" under both Inland and International Rules. It almost appears that this vessel had no one at the helm and was proceeding on autopilot and without a lookout, but that's speculation. Nowadays when I see situations like this, involving at least one commercial vessel, and endangering so many passengers, I am no longer surprised. This happens all too often and is quite preventable. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare |
Who's at fault here
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2hrUSs9ndA&NR=1 The vessel in the foreground is *primarily* at fault because he was the give-way vessel having the other on his starboard bow. He should have turned to starboard and passed to the rear of the vessel in the background. But, both are at partial fault for a number of reasons. Neither sounded any warnings and neither took evasive action. It looks like a case where both pilots were asleep at the wheel. Wilbur Hubbard |
Who's at fault here
"otnmbrd" wrote in message .70... Naturally the video is only of the last moments so we can't see what led up to the collision, but if this was a normal head to head or nearly so they both screwed up in many ways.... especially the boat the video was being shot from. \ Wayne.B wrote in : On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:11:31 GMT, Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-10-17 14:47:31 -0400, Joe said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2hrUSs9ndA&NR=1 BOTH boats. Probably so but it is an interesting situation, apparently between two boats of significantly different speed. I see that sort of thing quite often from the perspective of our relatively slow trawler and a fast moving boat that is highly maneuverable. It is almost as though the larger slower boat is stopped, and entirely up to the faster more maneuverable boat to avoid the collision regardless of the technicalities involved. Basically a faster boat has the ability to maneuver into a situation where a collision becomes unavoidable, and it almost looks to me as though that may have been involved in this incident. That would put them at fault of course, even though approaching from the starboard side of the larger boat. How can a professional captain be so uninformed? That wasn't a head-to-head situation. It's clearly a crossing situation. Look at the relative angles. Duh! Wilbur Hubbard |
Who's at fault here
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "otnmbrd" wrote in message .70... Naturally the video is only of the last moments so we can't see what led up to the collision, but if this was a normal head to head or nearly so they both screwed up in many ways.... especially the boat the video was being shot from. \ Wayne.B wrote in : On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:11:31 GMT, Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-10-17 14:47:31 -0400, Joe said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2hrUSs9ndA&NR=1 BOTH boats. Probably so but it is an interesting situation, apparently between two boats of significantly different speed. I see that sort of thing quite often from the perspective of our relatively slow trawler and a fast moving boat that is highly maneuverable. It is almost as though the larger slower boat is stopped, and entirely up to the faster more maneuverable boat to avoid the collision regardless of the technicalities involved. Basically a faster boat has the ability to maneuver into a situation where a collision becomes unavoidable, and it almost looks to me as though that may have been involved in this incident. That would put them at fault of course, even though approaching from the starboard side of the larger boat. It didn't quite look like head-to-head. It looked like a crossing situation somewhat. The boat on the right is right, but both are at fault. Both boats should have turned to starboard. I don't see how you can say the faster boat would have or wouldn't have the ability to maneuver. Looks like plenty of sea room to me for both boats. Somebody slap me but I agree with this post. Wilbur Hubbard |
Who's at fault here
On Oct 17, 10:37 pm, otnmbrd wrote:
Naturally the video is only of the last moments so we can't see what led up to the collision, but if this was a normal head to head or nearly so they both screwed up in many ways.... especially the boat the video was being shot from. Seems the guy on the small boat did a quick half turn to port then decides to stay on course, and the big boat is clueless. The shaking of a fist in the air must be a local custom on the big boat Clowns on auto pilots IMO. At the start you notice there is a fleet of small vessels heading out all following the exact course. I bet it's an area with heavy regular crossing situations. Both Captains assuming the other will give way, until it's to late. Did you notice the guy on the pulpit of the small boat? He's out there in the collision. Only person you see who may have been hurt was the person standing to port of the helmsman on the small boat as he or she flys forward. Hope no one was below on the small boat forward or in either engine room. Joe |
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