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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:56:07 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Sep 25, 10:01 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:15:58 GMT,
(Richard
Casady) wrote:

I like the
round ones, as they can be feathered, but whatever.

I'll second that and add a couple of other reasons:

The U-shaped locks are dangerous if someone falls on them, and they
can allow the oars to escape at inopportune moments.

The "captive pin" oarlocks weaken the oar and prevent feathering.

One can always tell a serious rowing dinghy by the oars, oarlocks and
oarlock sockets. The oars should be manufactured from wood. The
oarlocks
should be round and made from bronze and the sockets should also be
bronze and secured to the gunnels with bolts and not screws.
Placement
is important and should be so that the arms can straighten during the
stroke. The oars should be long enough so the shaft clears the
gunnels
and shows no wear but not so long that the oar will not fit into the
length of the dinghy. The round oarlocks allow feathering which is
important to proper rowing technique. The round oarlocks and oar
sleeves
produce very little wear and keep things quite. A real traditionalist
will use leather sleeves but I like the modern plastic sleeve
attached
with brass nails. The oars themselves should be kept well varnished
or
painted. The business end should be free of splits or cracks. The
grip
should be smooth and not overly large for the hand. Some folks like a
rubber grip but I prefer painted or varnished wood.

Rowing a dinghy is an art - a SILENT art. One must have the proper
traditional equipment in order to do it right and to be thought well
of
by others in the know. Nothing says novice like those silly horn
oarlocks that use a pin through the oar. Here he comes, squeak,
clunk,
squeak clunk, squeak clunk! Sillier yet is the clamp-on type.
Freaking
lubbers!

Wilbur Hubbard

Proper buggy whip technique is very important. Being well thought of
by expert buggy whippers is truly important. Oh, the horror, I sail
into the anchorage with fenders over the side AND THEN, dare I say it,
I have CLAMP-ON oarlocks. I will be ostracized by Hubbard. I wont be
invited to the commodores ball, Oh the shame.

My dear chap, if it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. Any old fool
can do a half-arsed job. You can do better than that, sir. You asked
for advice yet you proceeded to ignore years of experience talking. Why
bother asking. Keep quiet next time, then.

Wilbur Hubbard

Willie-boy, as usual you confuse your opinions with reality. I've seen
watermen from Maine to Hong Kong moving boats with muscle power and
not a one of them has acted as though silence was a major criteria. As
for your comments about oar locks, it is just about as foolish as the
rest of your post since probably 90% of the world's oarsmen don't even
use oarlocks at all.

So -- if the rest of the world doesn't follow your dictate to be quiet
and most don't even use oarlocks where does that put your comments?
Facts? Left field? Ravings of a mad man?

You remind me of the old story about the fond mother watching the
parade and saying, "Look! Look! The whole parade is out of step except
for my Willie".

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

rec.boats, rec.boats.cruising

blathered in his usual delusional manner in
message ...

Willie-boy, as usual you confuse your opinions with reality. I've seen
watermen from Maine to Hong Kong moving boats with muscle power and
not a one of them has acted as though silence was a major criteria. As
for your comments about oar locks, it is just about as foolish as the
rest of your post since probably 90% of the world's oarsmen don't even
use oarlocks at all.

So -- if the rest of the world doesn't follow your dictate to be quiet
and most don't even use oarlocks where does that put your comments?
Facts? Left field? Ravings of a mad man?

You remind me of the old story about the fond mother watching the
parade and saying, "Look! Look! The whole parade is out of step except
for my Willie".

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

Sorry, Brucie Boy, but rec.boats.cruising and rec.boats don't give a
hoot how they do it in some third world dive where senile, cranky,
end-of-the-road, pretend world cruisers, who never even made it half the
way 'round, hang out at the dock in an alcohol induced haze for years
and years acting like they have a life and are actually going somewhere
again when they know they no longer are mentally or physically fit
enough for the task.

However, in the real world where people are still young and where
technology and affluence has replaced
make-do-with-primitive-means-at-hand jury rigs, it matters as far as
doing things in a safe up-to-date and efficient manner.

My original goal for this post was to scrutinize Mr. Bruce Paige's
remarks point by mudslinging point and slap down each and every one of
them. Unfortunately, Bruce's focus wanders so wildly that he never
actually finishes any of his points. I think you'll notice this in the
ensuing discussion. Let's get down to brass tacks: Bruce's hypocrisy
comes out when he denies that he surrounds himself with what I call
rustic third-worlder's. I'll say that again, because I want it to sink
in: If the United States were overrun by third world wannabe tactless
prigs, we could expect to see thousands of Bruce Paige's shambling
drunkenly down every dock -- stares from dockmasters, taxis that don't
stop because they know he won't pay the fare, and identity checks by
police on the lookout for liquor store robbers. To say that all world
cruisers are poor, stupid ghetto trash is a stretch but it seems to be
true at Bruce's Bangkok dock.

Sure, I could just sit back and let Bruce throw stones my way and leave
subscribers morally adrift, but that prospect really grates on me and
other folks who have any kind of common sense. In any case, he may
unwittingly ramble on maybe because Alzheimer's is setting in and, since
nobody takes him seriously, no harm is done. I say "unwittingly" because
he is apparently unaware that he operates under the influence of a
dementia that slowly debilitates without his awareness of the fact. To
make sure you understand, I'll spell it out for you. Bruce's snow jobs
are an icon for the deterioration of the post 70-year-old mind, for its
slow slide into delusion, malaise, and oblivion.
Considering his reduced faculties, Bruce is extraordinarily brazen.
However, his constant willingness to convince impressionable subscribers
that his posts are based on reason sets a new world record for
brazenness. It is quite true, of course, that he is like a Judas goat,
leading poor, gullible newsgroup *******s to the slaughter. But if
you've read most of the conniving slop that he's concocted, you'll
honestly conclude he's trying make us the helpless puppets of
third-world demographic and social ways and means. He forgets the world
is modern in many places. If you haven't read any of his ranting and
raving, well, all you really need to know is that Bruce's method is
transparent. It's to throw a bunch of sh*t at the wall and watch to see
what sticks. It is not good methodology! Just like the two or three feet
of dirty clothes on his cabin sole and the cluttered, moldering,
reek-to-high-heavens lockers, Bruce's mess won't go away if we simply
look the other way.

This march into backwards narcissism is not happening by mere chance. It
is not, as many uncompanionable, lame-brained losers insist, the result
of the natural, inevitable course of things. It is happening as a direct
result of Bruce's advanced age combined with life-long alcohol abuse.
The bottom line is that Mr. Bruce Paige's recent attempt to slander
those like myself who are most systematically undervalued and
underapprectiated may prove to be a watershed event for those of us who
want to change the world for the better. Sad that we must carry dregs
like Bruce on our hardworking shoulders as we labor. . .

Wilbur Hubbard

rec.boats, rec.boats.cruising

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:49:10 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

blathered in his usual delusional manner in
message ...

Willie-boy, as usual you confuse your opinions with reality. I've seen
watermen from Maine to Hong Kong moving boats with muscle power and
not a one of them has acted as though silence was a major criteria. As
for your comments about oar locks, it is just about as foolish as the
rest of your post since probably 90% of the world's oarsmen don't even
use oarlocks at all.

So -- if the rest of the world doesn't follow your dictate to be quiet
and most don't even use oarlocks where does that put your comments?
Facts? Left field? Ravings of a mad man?

You remind me of the old story about the fond mother watching the
parade and saying, "Look! Look! The whole parade is out of step except
for my Willie".

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

Sorry, Brucie Boy, but rec.boats.cruising and rec.boats don't give a
hoot how they do it in some third world dive where senile, cranky,
end-of-the-road, pretend world cruisers, who never even made it half the
way 'round, hang out at the dock in an alcohol induced haze for years
and years acting like they have a life and are actually going somewhere
again when they know they no longer are mentally or physically fit
enough for the task.

Much idiotic and somewhat paranoid garbage deleted

Wilbur Hubbard

Ah Willie-boy you are so predictable that it is pitiful.

I comment on your remarks about rowing should be silent by saying that
I have never seen a professional - an individual who makes his living
on the water - give a hoot about how quiet he can row and that your
arbitrary dictate that one must use a specific type of oar lock, which
you recommend, or be termed "lubber" is obviously false as 90% of the
world's watermen don't even use oarlocks.

How do you reply? By stating facts to back up your ludicrous claims?
Not a bit, you immediately switch to a personal attack, reminiscent of
a 10 year old school boy shouting, "Nah, Nah, Nah, your mamma wears
army boots", in the school yard.

But to reply to a few of your comments:

Sorry, Brucie Boy, but rec.boats.cruising and rec.boats don't give a
hoot

Certainly you are correct, but you neglect to include a statement that
they also don't give a hoot about how Willie-boy Hubbard rows his boat
either.

end-of-the-road, pretend world cruisers, who never even made it half
the way 'round, hang out at the dock in an alcohol induced haze for year

You make two points here. You are correct that I got "half way round"
and decided to stay, but I might ask how far round did you get?

Your second point about alcohol induced haze is incorrect. I haven't
tasted an alcoholic drink for 35 years or more. To be honest, I used
to imbibe but woke up one Sunday morning with a terrific hangover and
realized that this was foolish so never drank again.

However, in the real world where people are still young and where
technology and affluence has replaced
make-do-with-primitive-means-at-hand jury rigs, it matters as far as
doing things in a safe up-to-date and efficient manner.

Willie-boy you aren't close to accurate here. In this high technology
world you brag that you ride a bicycle. High tech indeed.

My original goal for this post was to scrutinize Mr. Bruce Paige's
remarks point by mudslinging point and slap down each and every one of
them.

Then why didn't you? I wrote what I see to be fact and you respond
with a personal attack. Is this what you mean by "slapping down every
point"?

I'll say that again, because I want it to sink
in: If the United States were overrun by third world wannabe tactless
prigs

Willie-boy, 16 percent of your population is overrun by hispanics and
of that 16% half or more are illegal. I am continually reading about
Spanish becoming the predominating language in many places. Miami, for
example?

stares from dockmasters, taxis that don't
stop because they know he won't pay the fare

Sorry, don't use taxis, got my own car.

Sure, I could just sit back and let Bruce throw stones my way and
leave subscribers morally adrift,

Willie-boy, I don't throw stones your way, I simply disagree when you
try to convince the world that one of your delusions is a fact.

leading poor, gullible newsgroup *******s to the slaughter.

Will-boy, you certainly have a fine opinion of the other readers of
this group.

you'll
honestly conclude he's trying make us the helpless puppets of
third-world demographic and social ways and means.

What post of mine are you referring to? It must be the alzheimer's
that you claim that I suffer from, but I can't remember ever
advocating that anyone subscribe to any third-world demographic and
social ways.

In short Willie-boy, rather then discuss facts you attempt to convince
readers that your personal fantasies are truth and when someone points
out the errors in your statements you react by vicious personal
attacks.

Bigot - A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions
differing from his own

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

rec.boats, rec.boats.cruising

Sorry, Brucie Boy, but rec.boats.cruising and rec.boats don't give a
hoot how they do it in some third world dive where senile, cranky,
end-of-the-road, pretend world cruisers, who never even made it half the
way 'round, hang out at the dock in an alcohol induced haze for years
and years acting like they have a life and are actually going somewhere
again when they know they no longer are mentally or physically fit
enough for the task.

What's wrong with that!!! Sounds good to me!

rec.boats, rec.boats.cruising

wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:24:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:36:15 +0700, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:49:10 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Willie-boy you aren't close to accurate here. In this high technology
world you brag that you ride a bicycle. High tech indeed.

Interesting, I missed that. Did he say if it was Schwinn or a Huffy?

--Vic

Nah, he was rabbeting on about how physically fit he is and mentioned
that he has a bicycle and will hit 10,000 miles this year. That is
about 32 miles a day if he rides 6 days and rests on the 7th.

If I remember correctly he mentioned that it was a carbon fiber rig,
some $2,000 + worth of bicycle.

Your short-term memory seems to be OK at least. ;-)

FYI, I've got two bikes. Just bought a new one a couple months ago for
competition. A Cervelo P2C -
http://www.all3sports.com/imageserve...g/CRV7P2CF.jpg The red
version. It's all tricked out with a DuraAce group and Zipp wheels,
Easton aerobars and aero carbon fork. The frame alone is about two
grand; the complete bike is around five grand. It's light and fast.
Excellent for individual time trials and good for everything else. I
could have gotten a P3 Carbon but that's only for time trials and not
much of a road race bike.

My main bike for training is an older Specialized Allez with
chrome-molybdenum steel frame. It's got close to 70,000 miles on it all
told. This year alone I'm at the 8,000 mile mark to date. Maybe 500
miles of it on the P2 - I don't want to trash it training with it other
than when the weather's fine.

Wilbur Hubbard

rec.boats, rec.boats.cruising

On Sep 27, 9:24 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:08:30 +0700, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:21:25 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:24:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:36:15 +0700, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:49:10 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Willie-boy you aren't close to accurate here. In this high technology
world you brag that you ride a bicycle. High tech indeed.

Interesting, I missed that. Did he say if it was Schwinn or a Huffy?

--Vic

Nah, he was rabbeting on about how physically fit he is and mentioned
that he has a bicycle and will hit 10,000 miles this year. That is
about 32 miles a day if he rides 6 days and rests on the 7th.

If I remember correctly he mentioned that it was a carbon fiber rig,
some $2,000 + worth of bicycle.

Oh, I forgot to mention it. Google Scott Pakin's complaint letter
generator. You've been victimized. He hee!

Wilbur Hubbard

What are you saying here Willie-boy?

That you are too stupid to compose a letter, or too limp wristed to
type one, so you now resort to some piece of software to create your
rants and raves? Goodness, how gauche can you get.

Ah well, if Willie-boy Hubbard is now just the nom de plume of a lap
top computer then it is obvious that anything he has to say is just
random garbage.

Willie-boy you do understand the acronym GIGO -- Garbage in, Garbage
out -- don't you?

Yeah, so when are YOU gonna get it and stop giving Neal/Wilbur his sexual
gratification. You are contributing to the GIGO.

I asked the original question and my attitude toward Neil/Ellen/
Hubbard is that even a stopped clock is right twice a day, you just
have to figure out when, Sometimes it is possible to derive info from
random gibberish.