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I have a nesting 2-paw-9 dinghy for my 28' sailboat that I have always
rowed. For the oars, I have used the type of oarlocks that attach to the oars and then insert into a female socket on the dinghy. I like this because there is nothing that can get lost; the oarlock is permanently on the oars so nothing gets lost. Unfortunately, these are all made of mild steel (non-stainless) so they always rust. What alternatives exist? Everything else I have seen made of bronze requires some sort of pin through them to keep them from coming out of the socket and getting lost. When you do take them out you have to keep track of them. I bet I would have them for maybe a week before losing one overboard. The type I have seen with a pin THROUGH the oar are all made of mild steel so will rust. There must be a bronze or stainless version of the type that is attached to the oars. |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message ups.com... I have a nesting 2-paw-9 dinghy for my 28' sailboat that I have always rowed. For the oars, I have used the type of oarlocks that attach to the oars and then insert into a female socket on the dinghy. I like this because there is nothing that can get lost; the oarlock is permanently on the oars so nothing gets lost. Unfortunately, these are all made of mild steel (non-stainless) so they always rust. What alternatives exist? Everything else I have seen made of bronze requires some sort of pin through them to keep them from coming out of the socket and getting lost. When you do take them out you have to keep track of them. I bet I would have them for maybe a week before losing one overboard. The type I have seen with a pin THROUGH the oar are all made of mild steel so will rust. There must be a bronze or stainless version of the type that is attached to the oars. Anything here look interesting? http://barkleysoundoar.com/oarlock.htm |
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Frogwatch wrote:
I have a nesting 2-paw-9 dinghy for my 28' sailboat that I have always rowed. For the oars, I have used the type of oarlocks that attach to the oars and then insert into a female socket on the dinghy. I like this because there is nothing that can get lost; the oarlock is permanently on the oars so nothing gets lost. Unfortunately, these are all made of mild steel (non-stainless) so they always rust. What alternatives exist? Everything else I have seen made of bronze requires some sort of pin through them to keep them from coming out of the socket and getting lost. When you do take them out you have to keep track of them. I bet I would have them for maybe a week before losing one overboard. The type I have seen with a pin THROUGH the oar are all made of mild steel so will rust. There must be a bronze or stainless version of the type that is attached to the oars. I thought they were quite common - all my oars have them, and I even carry a spare set on the boat because they can escape over the leathers. http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...&classNum=null http://tinyurl.com/3b8e3n or http://www.shawandtenney.com/marine-hardware.htm |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message ups.com... I have a nesting 2-paw-9 dinghy for my 28' sailboat that I have always rowed. For the oars, I have used the type of oarlocks that attach to the oars and then insert into a female socket on the dinghy. I like this because there is nothing that can get lost; the oarlock is permanently on the oars so nothing gets lost. Unfortunately, these are all made of mild steel (non-stainless) so they always rust. What alternatives exist? Everything else I have seen made of bronze requires some sort of pin through them to keep them from coming out of the socket and getting lost. When you do take them out you have to keep track of them. I bet I would have them for maybe a week before losing one overboard. The type I have seen with a pin THROUGH the oar are all made of mild steel so will rust. There must be a bronze or stainless version of the type that is attached to the oars. Get a pair of the round oarlocks http://www.shawandtenney.com/images/...d-and-horn.jpg (on the left). Then install a pair of oar sleeves to prevent wear and keep the oarlock from coming adrift. http://www.aaainflatables.com/produc...ProductID=1931 I've used this system for years and it's foolproof. The round oarlock stays with the oar and you can even use a circle clip to keep the oarlock and oar attached to the dinghy should it overturn. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Sep 23, 12:50 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ups.com... I have a nesting 2-paw-9 dinghy for my 28' sailboat that I have always rowed. For the oars, I have used the type of oarlocks that attach to the oars and then insert into a female socket on the dinghy. I like this because there is nothing that can get lost; the oarlock is permanently on the oars so nothing gets lost. Unfortunately, these are all made of mild steel (non-stainless) so they always rust. What alternatives exist? Everything else I have seen made of bronze requires some sort of pin through them to keep them from coming out of the socket and getting lost. When you do take them out you have to keep track of them. I bet I would have them for maybe a week before losing one overboard. The type I have seen with a pin THROUGH the oar are all made of mild steel so will rust. There must be a bronze or stainless version of the type that is attached to the oars. Get a pair of the round oarlockshttp://www.shawandtenney.com/images/oarlocks-round-and-horn.jpg(on the left). Then install a pair of oar sleeves to prevent wear and keep the oarlock from coming adrift.http://www.aaainflatables.com/produc...ProductID=1931 I've used this system for years and it's foolproof. The round oarlock stays with the oar and you can even use a circle clip to keep the oarlock and oar attached to the dinghy should it overturn. Wilbur Hubbard I just found the SS oarlocks that clamp to the oars in the WEST catalogue. Last time I looked they did not have them and neither ddoes Jamestwon Dist. so I assumed nobody made them. I ordered them. Thanks all. BTW Wilbur, This still looks simpler to me than the round oarlocks and sleeves although I considered your method. |
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:21:08 -0700, Frogwatch
wrote: The type I have seen with a pin THROUGH the oar are all made of mild steel so will rust. There must be a bronze or stainless version of the type that is attached to the oars. You can always have the mild steel ones hot dip galvanized. I like the round ones, as they can be feathered, but whatever. Casady |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:15:58 GMT, (Richard Casady) wrote: I like the round ones, as they can be feathered, but whatever. I'll second that and add a couple of other reasons: The U-shaped locks are dangerous if someone falls on them, and they can allow the oars to escape at inopportune moments. The "captive pin" oarlocks weaken the oar and prevent feathering. One can always tell a serious rowing dinghy by the oars, oarlocks and oarlock sockets. The oars should be manufactured from wood. The oarlocks should be round and made from bronze and the sockets should also be bronze and secured to the gunnels with bolts and not screws. Placement is important and should be so that the arms can straighten during the stroke. The oars should be long enough so the shaft clears the gunnels and shows no wear but not so long that the oar will not fit into the length of the dinghy. The round oarlocks allow feathering which is important to proper rowing technique. The round oarlocks and oar sleeves produce very little wear and keep things quite. A real traditionalist will use leather sleeves but I like the modern plastic sleeve attached with brass nails. The oars themselves should be kept well varnished or painted. The business end should be free of splits or cracks. The grip should be smooth and not overly large for the hand. Some folks like a rubber grip but I prefer painted or varnished wood. Rowing a dinghy is an art - a SILENT art. One must have the proper traditional equipment in order to do it right and to be though well of by others in the know. Nothing says novice like those silly horn oarlocks that use a pin through the oar. Here he comes, squeak, clunk, squeak clunk, squeak clunk! Sillier yet is the clamp-on type. Freaking lubbers! Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Sep 25, 10:01 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:15:58 GMT, (Richard Casady) wrote: I like the round ones, as they can be feathered, but whatever. I'll second that and add a couple of other reasons: The U-shaped locks are dangerous if someone falls on them, and they can allow the oars to escape at inopportune moments. The "captive pin" oarlocks weaken the oar and prevent feathering. One can always tell a serious rowing dinghy by the oars, oarlocks and oarlock sockets. The oars should be manufactured from wood. The oarlocks should be round and made from bronze and the sockets should also be bronze and secured to the gunnels with bolts and not screws. Placement is important and should be so that the arms can straighten during the stroke. The oars should be long enough so the shaft clears the gunnels and shows no wear but not so long that the oar will not fit into the length of the dinghy. The round oarlocks allow feathering which is important to proper rowing technique. The round oarlocks and oar sleeves produce very little wear and keep things quite. A real traditionalist will use leather sleeves but I like the modern plastic sleeve attached with brass nails. The oars themselves should be kept well varnished or painted. The business end should be free of splits or cracks. The grip should be smooth and not overly large for the hand. Some folks like a rubber grip but I prefer painted or varnished wood. Rowing a dinghy is an art - a SILENT art. One must have the proper traditional equipment in order to do it right and to be though well of by others in the know. Nothing says novice like those silly horn oarlocks that use a pin through the oar. Here he comes, squeak, clunk, squeak clunk, squeak clunk! Sillier yet is the clamp-on type. Freaking lubbers! Wilbur Hubbard Proper buggy whip technique is very important. Being well thought of by expert buggy whippers is truly important. Oh, the horror, I sail into the anchorage with fenders over the side AND THEN, dare I say it, I have CLAMP-ON oarlocks. I will be ostracized by Hubbard. I wont be invited to the commodores ball, Oh the shame. |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 25, 10:01 am, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:15:58 GMT, (Richard Casady) wrote: I like the round ones, as they can be feathered, but whatever. I'll second that and add a couple of other reasons: The U-shaped locks are dangerous if someone falls on them, and they can allow the oars to escape at inopportune moments. The "captive pin" oarlocks weaken the oar and prevent feathering. One can always tell a serious rowing dinghy by the oars, oarlocks and oarlock sockets. The oars should be manufactured from wood. The oarlocks should be round and made from bronze and the sockets should also be bronze and secured to the gunnels with bolts and not screws. Placement is important and should be so that the arms can straighten during the stroke. The oars should be long enough so the shaft clears the gunnels and shows no wear but not so long that the oar will not fit into the length of the dinghy. The round oarlocks allow feathering which is important to proper rowing technique. The round oarlocks and oar sleeves produce very little wear and keep things quite. A real traditionalist will use leather sleeves but I like the modern plastic sleeve attached with brass nails. The oars themselves should be kept well varnished or painted. The business end should be free of splits or cracks. The grip should be smooth and not overly large for the hand. Some folks like a rubber grip but I prefer painted or varnished wood. Rowing a dinghy is an art - a SILENT art. One must have the proper traditional equipment in order to do it right and to be thought well of by others in the know. Nothing says novice like those silly horn oarlocks that use a pin through the oar. Here he comes, squeak, clunk, squeak clunk, squeak clunk! Sillier yet is the clamp-on type. Freaking lubbers! Wilbur Hubbard Proper buggy whip technique is very important. Being well thought of by expert buggy whippers is truly important. Oh, the horror, I sail into the anchorage with fenders over the side AND THEN, dare I say it, I have CLAMP-ON oarlocks. I will be ostracized by Hubbard. I wont be invited to the commodores ball, Oh the shame. My dear chap, if it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. Any old fool can do a half-arsed job. You can do better than that, sir. You asked for advice yet you proceeded to ignore years of experience talking. Why bother asking. Keep quiet next time, then. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:56:07 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 25, 10:01 am, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:15:58 GMT, (Richard Casady) wrote: I like the round ones, as they can be feathered, but whatever. I'll second that and add a couple of other reasons: The U-shaped locks are dangerous if someone falls on them, and they can allow the oars to escape at inopportune moments. The "captive pin" oarlocks weaken the oar and prevent feathering. One can always tell a serious rowing dinghy by the oars, oarlocks and oarlock sockets. The oars should be manufactured from wood. The oarlocks should be round and made from bronze and the sockets should also be bronze and secured to the gunnels with bolts and not screws. Placement is important and should be so that the arms can straighten during the stroke. The oars should be long enough so the shaft clears the gunnels and shows no wear but not so long that the oar will not fit into the length of the dinghy. The round oarlocks allow feathering which is important to proper rowing technique. The round oarlocks and oar sleeves produce very little wear and keep things quite. A real traditionalist will use leather sleeves but I like the modern plastic sleeve attached with brass nails. The oars themselves should be kept well varnished or painted. The business end should be free of splits or cracks. The grip should be smooth and not overly large for the hand. Some folks like a rubber grip but I prefer painted or varnished wood. Rowing a dinghy is an art - a SILENT art. One must have the proper traditional equipment in order to do it right and to be thought well of by others in the know. Nothing says novice like those silly horn oarlocks that use a pin through the oar. Here he comes, squeak, clunk, squeak clunk, squeak clunk! Sillier yet is the clamp-on type. Freaking lubbers! Wilbur Hubbard Proper buggy whip technique is very important. Being well thought of by expert buggy whippers is truly important. Oh, the horror, I sail into the anchorage with fenders over the side AND THEN, dare I say it, I have CLAMP-ON oarlocks. I will be ostracized by Hubbard. I wont be invited to the commodores ball, Oh the shame. My dear chap, if it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. Any old fool can do a half-arsed job. You can do better than that, sir. You asked for advice yet you proceeded to ignore years of experience talking. Why bother asking. Keep quiet next time, then. Wilbur Hubbard Willie-boy, as usual you confuse your opinions with reality. I've seen watermen from Maine to Hong Kong moving boats with muscle power and not a one of them has acted as though silence was a major criteria. As for your comments about oar locks, it is just about as foolish as the rest of your post since probably 90% of the world's oarsmen don't even use oarlocks at all. So -- if the rest of the world doesn't follow your dictate to be quiet and most don't even use oarlocks where does that put your comments? Facts? Left field? Ravings of a mad man? You remind me of the old story about the fond mother watching the parade and saying, "Look! Look! The whole parade is out of step except for my Willie". Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
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blathered in his usual delusional manner in message ... Willie-boy, as usual you confuse your opinions with reality. I've seen watermen from Maine to Hong Kong moving boats with muscle power and not a one of them has acted as though silence was a major criteria. As for your comments about oar locks, it is just about as foolish as the rest of your post since probably 90% of the world's oarsmen don't even use oarlocks at all. So -- if the rest of the world doesn't follow your dictate to be quiet and most don't even use oarlocks where does that put your comments? Facts? Left field? Ravings of a mad man? You remind me of the old story about the fond mother watching the parade and saying, "Look! Look! The whole parade is out of step except for my Willie". Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) Sorry, Brucie Boy, but rec.boats.cruising and rec.boats don't give a hoot how they do it in some third world dive where senile, cranky, end-of-the-road, pretend world cruisers, who never even made it half the way 'round, hang out at the dock in an alcohol induced haze for years and years acting like they have a life and are actually going somewhere again when they know they no longer are mentally or physically fit enough for the task. However, in the real world where people are still young and where technology and affluence has replaced make-do-with-primitive-means-at-hand jury rigs, it matters as far as doing things in a safe up-to-date and efficient manner. My original goal for this post was to scrutinize Mr. Bruce Paige's remarks point by mudslinging point and slap down each and every one of them. Unfortunately, Bruce's focus wanders so wildly that he never actually finishes any of his points. I think you'll notice this in the ensuing discussion. Let's get down to brass tacks: Bruce's hypocrisy comes out when he denies that he surrounds himself with what I call rustic third-worlder's. I'll say that again, because I want it to sink in: If the United States were overrun by third world wannabe tactless prigs, we could expect to see thousands of Bruce Paige's shambling drunkenly down every dock -- stares from dockmasters, taxis that don't stop because they know he won't pay the fare, and identity checks by police on the lookout for liquor store robbers. To say that all world cruisers are poor, stupid ghetto trash is a stretch but it seems to be true at Bruce's Bangkok dock. Sure, I could just sit back and let Bruce throw stones my way and leave subscribers morally adrift, but that prospect really grates on me and other folks who have any kind of common sense. In any case, he may unwittingly ramble on maybe because Alzheimer's is setting in and, since nobody takes him seriously, no harm is done. I say "unwittingly" because he is apparently unaware that he operates under the influence of a dementia that slowly debilitates without his awareness of the fact. To make sure you understand, I'll spell it out for you. Bruce's snow jobs are an icon for the deterioration of the post 70-year-old mind, for its slow slide into delusion, malaise, and oblivion. Considering his reduced faculties, Bruce is extraordinarily brazen. However, his constant willingness to convince impressionable subscribers that his posts are based on reason sets a new world record for brazenness. It is quite true, of course, that he is like a Judas goat, leading poor, gullible newsgroup *******s to the slaughter. But if you've read most of the conniving slop that he's concocted, you'll honestly conclude he's trying make us the helpless puppets of third-world demographic and social ways and means. He forgets the world is modern in many places. If you haven't read any of his ranting and raving, well, all you really need to know is that Bruce's method is transparent. It's to throw a bunch of sh*t at the wall and watch to see what sticks. It is not good methodology! Just like the two or three feet of dirty clothes on his cabin sole and the cluttered, moldering, reek-to-high-heavens lockers, Bruce's mess won't go away if we simply look the other way. This march into backwards narcissism is not happening by mere chance. It is not, as many uncompanionable, lame-brained losers insist, the result of the natural, inevitable course of things. It is happening as a direct result of Bruce's advanced age combined with life-long alcohol abuse. The bottom line is that Mr. Bruce Paige's recent attempt to slander those like myself who are most systematically undervalued and underapprectiated may prove to be a watershed event for those of us who want to change the world for the better. Sad that we must carry dregs like Bruce on our hardworking shoulders as we labor. . . Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:49:10 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: blathered in his usual delusional manner in message ... Willie-boy, as usual you confuse your opinions with reality. I've seen watermen from Maine to Hong Kong moving boats with muscle power and not a one of them has acted as though silence was a major criteria. As for your comments about oar locks, it is just about as foolish as the rest of your post since probably 90% of the world's oarsmen don't even use oarlocks at all. So -- if the rest of the world doesn't follow your dictate to be quiet and most don't even use oarlocks where does that put your comments? Facts? Left field? Ravings of a mad man? You remind me of the old story about the fond mother watching the parade and saying, "Look! Look! The whole parade is out of step except for my Willie". Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) Sorry, Brucie Boy, but rec.boats.cruising and rec.boats don't give a hoot how they do it in some third world dive where senile, cranky, end-of-the-road, pretend world cruisers, who never even made it half the way 'round, hang out at the dock in an alcohol induced haze for years and years acting like they have a life and are actually going somewhere again when they know they no longer are mentally or physically fit enough for the task. Much idiotic and somewhat paranoid garbage deleted Wilbur Hubbard Ah Willie-boy you are so predictable that it is pitiful. I comment on your remarks about rowing should be silent by saying that I have never seen a professional - an individual who makes his living on the water - give a hoot about how quiet he can row and that your arbitrary dictate that one must use a specific type of oar lock, which you recommend, or be termed "lubber" is obviously false as 90% of the world's watermen don't even use oarlocks. How do you reply? By stating facts to back up your ludicrous claims? Not a bit, you immediately switch to a personal attack, reminiscent of a 10 year old school boy shouting, "Nah, Nah, Nah, your mamma wears army boots", in the school yard. But to reply to a few of your comments: Sorry, Brucie Boy, but rec.boats.cruising and rec.boats don't give a hoot Certainly you are correct, but you neglect to include a statement that they also don't give a hoot about how Willie-boy Hubbard rows his boat either. end-of-the-road, pretend world cruisers, who never even made it half the way 'round, hang out at the dock in an alcohol induced haze for year You make two points here. You are correct that I got "half way round" and decided to stay, but I might ask how far round did you get? Your second point about alcohol induced haze is incorrect. I haven't tasted an alcoholic drink for 35 years or more. To be honest, I used to imbibe but woke up one Sunday morning with a terrific hangover and realized that this was foolish so never drank again. However, in the real world where people are still young and where technology and affluence has replaced make-do-with-primitive-means-at-hand jury rigs, it matters as far as doing things in a safe up-to-date and efficient manner. Willie-boy you aren't close to accurate here. In this high technology world you brag that you ride a bicycle. High tech indeed. My original goal for this post was to scrutinize Mr. Bruce Paige's remarks point by mudslinging point and slap down each and every one of them. Then why didn't you? I wrote what I see to be fact and you respond with a personal attack. Is this what you mean by "slapping down every point"? I'll say that again, because I want it to sink in: If the United States were overrun by third world wannabe tactless prigs Willie-boy, 16 percent of your population is overrun by hispanics and of that 16% half or more are illegal. I am continually reading about Spanish becoming the predominating language in many places. Miami, for example? stares from dockmasters, taxis that don't stop because they know he won't pay the fare Sorry, don't use taxis, got my own car. Sure, I could just sit back and let Bruce throw stones my way and leave subscribers morally adrift, Willie-boy, I don't throw stones your way, I simply disagree when you try to convince the world that one of your delusions is a fact. leading poor, gullible newsgroup *******s to the slaughter. Will-boy, you certainly have a fine opinion of the other readers of this group. you'll honestly conclude he's trying make us the helpless puppets of third-world demographic and social ways and means. What post of mine are you referring to? It must be the alzheimer's that you claim that I suffer from, but I can't remember ever advocating that anyone subscribe to any third-world demographic and social ways. In short Willie-boy, rather then discuss facts you attempt to convince readers that your personal fantasies are truth and when someone points out the errors in your statements you react by vicious personal attacks. Bigot - A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
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Sorry, Brucie Boy, but rec.boats.cruising and rec.boats don't give a hoot how they do it in some third world dive where senile, cranky, end-of-the-road, pretend world cruisers, who never even made it half the way 'round, hang out at the dock in an alcohol induced haze for years and years acting like they have a life and are actually going somewhere again when they know they no longer are mentally or physically fit enough for the task. What's wrong with that!!! Sounds good to me! |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:36:15 +0700, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:49:10 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Willie-boy you aren't close to accurate here. In this high technology world you brag that you ride a bicycle. High tech indeed. Interesting, I missed that. Did he say if it was Schwinn or a Huffy? --Vic |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:24:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:36:15 +0700, wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:49:10 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Willie-boy you aren't close to accurate here. In this high technology world you brag that you ride a bicycle. High tech indeed. Interesting, I missed that. Did he say if it was Schwinn or a Huffy? --Vic Nah, he was rabbeting on about how physically fit he is and mentioned that he has a bicycle and will hit 10,000 miles this year. That is about 32 miles a day if he rides 6 days and rests on the 7th. If I remember correctly he mentioned that it was a carbon fiber rig, some $2,000 + worth of bicycle. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:24:31 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:36:15 +0700, wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:49:10 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Willie-boy you aren't close to accurate here. In this high technology world you brag that you ride a bicycle. High tech indeed. Interesting, I missed that. Did he say if it was Schwinn or a Huffy? --Vic Nah, he was rabbeting on about how physically fit he is and mentioned that he has a bicycle and will hit 10,000 miles this year. That is about 32 miles a day if he rides 6 days and rests on the 7th. If I remember correctly he mentioned that it was a carbon fiber rig, some $2,000 + worth of bicycle. Your short-term memory seems to be OK at least. ;-) FYI, I've got two bikes. Just bought a new one a couple months ago for competition. A Cervelo P2C - http://www.all3sports.com/imageserve...g/CRV7P2CF.jpg The red version. It's all tricked out with a DuraAce group and Zipp wheels, Easton aerobars and aero carbon fork. The frame alone is about two grand; the complete bike is around five grand. It's light and fast. Excellent for individual time trials and good for everything else. I could have gotten a P3 Carbon but that's only for time trials and not much of a road race bike. My main bike for training is an older Specialized Allez with chrome-molybdenum steel frame. It's got close to 70,000 miles on it all told. This year alone I'm at the 8,000 mile mark to date. Maybe 500 miles of it on the P2 - I don't want to trash it training with it other than when the weather's fine. Wilbur Hubbard |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:24:31 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:36:15 +0700, wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:49:10 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Willie-boy you aren't close to accurate here. In this high technology world you brag that you ride a bicycle. High tech indeed. Interesting, I missed that. Did he say if it was Schwinn or a Huffy? --Vic Nah, he was rabbeting on about how physically fit he is and mentioned that he has a bicycle and will hit 10,000 miles this year. That is about 32 miles a day if he rides 6 days and rests on the 7th. If I remember correctly he mentioned that it was a carbon fiber rig, some $2,000 + worth of bicycle. Oh, I forgot to mention it. Google Scott Pakin's complaint letter generator. You've been victimized. He hee! Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:21:25 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:24:31 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:36:15 +0700, wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:49:10 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Willie-boy you aren't close to accurate here. In this high technology world you brag that you ride a bicycle. High tech indeed. Interesting, I missed that. Did he say if it was Schwinn or a Huffy? --Vic Nah, he was rabbeting on about how physically fit he is and mentioned that he has a bicycle and will hit 10,000 miles this year. That is about 32 miles a day if he rides 6 days and rests on the 7th. If I remember correctly he mentioned that it was a carbon fiber rig, some $2,000 + worth of bicycle. Oh, I forgot to mention it. Google Scott Pakin's complaint letter generator. You've been victimized. He hee! Wilbur Hubbard What are you saying here Willie-boy? That you are too stupid to compose a letter, or too limp wristed to type one, so you now resort to some piece of software to create your rants and raves? Goodness, how gauche can you get. Ah well, if Willie-boy Hubbard is now just the nom de plume of a lap top computer then it is obvious that anything he has to say is just random garbage. Willie-boy you do understand the acronym GIGO -- Garbage in, Garbage out -- don't you? Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
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On Sep 27, 9:24 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:08:30 +0700, wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:21:25 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:24:31 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:36:15 +0700, wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:49:10 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Willie-boy you aren't close to accurate here. In this high technology world you brag that you ride a bicycle. High tech indeed. Interesting, I missed that. Did he say if it was Schwinn or a Huffy? --Vic Nah, he was rabbeting on about how physically fit he is and mentioned that he has a bicycle and will hit 10,000 miles this year. That is about 32 miles a day if he rides 6 days and rests on the 7th. If I remember correctly he mentioned that it was a carbon fiber rig, some $2,000 + worth of bicycle. Oh, I forgot to mention it. Google Scott Pakin's complaint letter generator. You've been victimized. He hee! Wilbur Hubbard What are you saying here Willie-boy? That you are too stupid to compose a letter, or too limp wristed to type one, so you now resort to some piece of software to create your rants and raves? Goodness, how gauche can you get. Ah well, if Willie-boy Hubbard is now just the nom de plume of a lap top computer then it is obvious that anything he has to say is just random garbage. Willie-boy you do understand the acronym GIGO -- Garbage in, Garbage out -- don't you? Yeah, so when are YOU gonna get it and stop giving Neal/Wilbur his sexual gratification. You are contributing to the GIGO. I asked the original question and my attitude toward Neil/Ellen/ Hubbard is that even a stopped clock is right twice a day, you just have to figure out when, Sometimes it is possible to derive info from random gibberish. |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:04:16 -0700, Frogwatch
wrote: On Sep 27, 9:24 pm, wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:08:30 +0700, wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:21:25 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:24:31 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:36:15 +0700, wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:49:10 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Willie-boy you aren't close to accurate here. In this high technology world you brag that you ride a bicycle. High tech indeed. Interesting, I missed that. Did he say if it was Schwinn or a Huffy? --Vic Nah, he was rabbeting on about how physically fit he is and mentioned that he has a bicycle and will hit 10,000 miles this year. That is about 32 miles a day if he rides 6 days and rests on the 7th. If I remember correctly he mentioned that it was a carbon fiber rig, some $2,000 + worth of bicycle. Oh, I forgot to mention it. Google Scott Pakin's complaint letter generator. You've been victimized. He hee! Wilbur Hubbard What are you saying here Willie-boy? That you are too stupid to compose a letter, or too limp wristed to type one, so you now resort to some piece of software to create your rants and raves? Goodness, how gauche can you get. Ah well, if Willie-boy Hubbard is now just the nom de plume of a lap top computer then it is obvious that anything he has to say is just random garbage. Willie-boy you do understand the acronym GIGO -- Garbage in, Garbage out -- don't you? Yeah, so when are YOU gonna get it and stop giving Neal/Wilbur his sexual gratification. You are contributing to the GIGO. I asked the original question and my attitude toward Neil/Ellen/ Hubbard is that even a stopped clock is right twice a day, you just have to figure out when, Sometimes it is possible to derive info from random gibberish. You don't mean that old macho Willie poses as a woman named Ellen? Goodness! Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:21:25 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:24:31 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:36:15 +0700, wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:49:10 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Willie-boy you aren't close to accurate here. In this high technology world you brag that you ride a bicycle. High tech indeed. Interesting, I missed that. Did he say if it was Schwinn or a Huffy? --Vic Nah, he was rabbeting on about how physically fit he is and mentioned that he has a bicycle and will hit 10,000 miles this year. That is about 32 miles a day if he rides 6 days and rests on the 7th. If I remember correctly he mentioned that it was a carbon fiber rig, some $2,000 + worth of bicycle. Oh, I forgot to mention it. Google Scott Pakin's complaint letter generator. You've been victimized. He hee! Wilbur Hubbard What are you saying here Willie-boy? That you are too stupid to compose a letter, or too limp wristed to type one, so you now resort to some piece of software to create your rants and raves? Goodness, how gauche can you get. Ah well, if Willie-boy Hubbard is now just the nom de plume of a lap top computer then it is obvious that anything he has to say is just random garbage. Willie-boy you do understand the acronym GIGO -- Garbage in, Garbage out -- don't you? You don't think you're actually worth the time it takes to virtually slap your sorry arse around, by do you? It makes more sense to let software do the job. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:26:38 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:21:25 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:24:31 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:36:15 +0700, wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:49:10 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Willie-boy you aren't close to accurate here. In this high technology world you brag that you ride a bicycle. High tech indeed. Interesting, I missed that. Did he say if it was Schwinn or a Huffy? --Vic Nah, he was rabbeting on about how physically fit he is and mentioned that he has a bicycle and will hit 10,000 miles this year. That is about 32 miles a day if he rides 6 days and rests on the 7th. If I remember correctly he mentioned that it was a carbon fiber rig, some $2,000 + worth of bicycle. Oh, I forgot to mention it. Google Scott Pakin's complaint letter generator. You've been victimized. He hee! Wilbur Hubbard What are you saying here Willie-boy? That you are too stupid to compose a letter, or too limp wristed to type one, so you now resort to some piece of software to create your rants and raves? Goodness, how gauche can you get. Ah well, if Willie-boy Hubbard is now just the nom de plume of a lap top computer then it is obvious that anything he has to say is just random garbage. Willie-boy you do understand the acronym GIGO -- Garbage in, Garbage out -- don't you? You don't think you're actually worth the time it takes to virtually slap your sorry arse around, by do you? It makes more sense to let software do the job. Wilbur Hubbard I've mentioned your tirades against women several times and now I hear about your "cross postings" posing as a woman named Ellen. Willie-boy (or is it Milma-girl). I just don't believe that you are the type of person I care to associate with and therefore I'm dumping you straight in the garbage can. As far as "letting software do the job" it simply underlines your lack of education and inability to carry on a normal conversation. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
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wrote in message ... I've mentioned your tirades against women several times and now I hear about your "cross postings" posing as a woman named Ellen. Willie-boy (or is it Milma-girl). I just don't believe that you are the type of person I care to associate with and therefore I'm dumping you straight in the garbage can. As far as "letting software do the job" it simply underlines your lack of education and inability to carry on a normal conversation. Not to mention the fact that you're so immersed in your computer life that you failed to notice the difference between software and human discourse. Hmmm, that should tell you something about the ability to carry on a normal conversation . . . Me cross-post as a woman. Never. That's just a dumb rumour that the idiots in alt.sailing.asa tried to spread around. Ellen was a genuine, lovely young woman whom I encouraged to post but they bashed her incessantly, called her a liar, badgered her about posting this pic and that pic doing this and that on her boat until it got absurd, so she gave up wasting her time with them. This is Ellen - http://ellenmacarthur.badongo.com/album/ I only wish I was her. I'd latch onto some rich old fart then inherit everything he owned when he died of a heart attack (probably the first time he saw her naked). Oh, some of the pics are password protected. Try wavingwheat. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:58:36 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
Does anyone other than me find this ongoing dialog tiresome and off topic? Sure, but you have to give Willie his due. He's a damn good troll. |
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