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Where is Skip and the Flying Pig?
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Where is Skip and the Flying Pig?
"Larry" wrote in message ... wrote in news:1189428996.939938.227520@ 57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com: Has anyone heard from them? They made their destination, finally, and are with their kids, I think. I wouldn't look for posts for a while Thank God for small favors. But, it certainly is disheartening to hear they have kids. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Sep 10, 2:35 pm, Gogarty wrote:
In article s.com, says... Do you get up in the morning and preactice ill humor before a mirror? That's what the internet is for ! And Wilbur is why killfiles were invented. Todd Smith |
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"Gogarty" wrote in message ... Do you get up in the morning and preactice ill humor before a mirror? What's "preactice?" Perhaps you should get up early in the morning and practice writing? Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Gogarty" wrote in message ... Well, Wilbur, I made a substantial living as a writer over many years. Still manage to rake in a dime or two now and then. But typing is not now, never will be and never was one of my skills. What a hoot! A writer who can't type? Now, that's so dumb it's beyond human ken. How many truck drivers can't steer? How many cowboys can't lasso? How many wet nurses can't lactate? How many bartenders can't mix drinks? How many airplane pilots can't land? How many talk radio hosts are deaf mutes? Get the point? Any writer worthy of the name learns to type. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Gogarty" wrote in message
... In article s.com, llid says... "Gogarty" wrote in message ... Do you get up in the morning and preactice ill humor before a mirror? What's "preactice?" Perhaps you should get up early in the morning and practice writing? Wilbur Hubbard Well, Wilbur, I made a substantial living as a writer over many years. Still manage to rake in a dime or two now and then. But typing is not now, never will be and never was one of my skills. Neal makes a great living reading water meters door to door. I think he has you beat. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Gogarty" wrote in message ... In article s.com, llid says... "Gogarty" wrote in message ... Well, Wilbur, I made a substantial living as a writer over many years. Still manage to rake in a dime or two now and then. But typing is not now, never will be and never was one of my skills. What a hoot! A writer who can't type? Now, that's so dumb it's beyond human ken. How many truck drivers can't steer? How many cowboys can't lasso? How many wet nurses can't lactate? How many bartenders can't mix drinks? How many airplane pilots can't land? How many talk radio hosts are deaf mutes? Get the point? Any writer worthy of the name learns to type. Wilbur Hubbard How dreadfully ignorant you are. (Typed with two fingers.) I don't imagine Shakespeare knew how to type. Voice recognition software is still not up to par. A good touch typist can type 80-100 wpm without a single mistake that has to be corrected later. One spends more time looking for and correcting voice recognition software mistakes and omissions than if one simply learned to type and removed the middle man so to speak. Anybody typing with two fingers is lazy, stupid or both (unless, of course, they only have two fingers). Learning to type is a simple thing. Anybody can accomplish the task in about a week or two. Anybody who needs to type (as in a writer) should have enough pride in his work that he learns to type and at an advanced rate like 80-100 wpm. It appalls me that any so-called writer would admit he can't type. This is beyond pathetic. I, Wilbur Hubbard, can type 150 wpm. I can transcribe faster than you can dictate. I can type as fast as I can think. The problem with transcribing is you don't write well when you simply transcribe your talk. Writing is not talking. Writing is a different type of an art form. When I read somebody's writing I certainly don't want to read his blabbermouthing. And, believe me, I can tell the difference. Writing and word processing always ends up telling a better tale than a simple-minded narration. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Gogarty" wrote in message ... In article s.com, llid says... "Gogarty" wrote in message ... Well, Wilbur, I made a substantial living as a writer over many years. Still manage to rake in a dime or two now and then. But typing is not now, never will be and never was one of my skills. What a hoot! A writer who can't type? Now, that's so dumb it's beyond human ken. How many truck drivers can't steer? How many cowboys can't lasso? How many wet nurses can't lactate? How many bartenders can't mix drinks? How many airplane pilots can't land? How many talk radio hosts are deaf mutes? Get the point? Any writer worthy of the name learns to type. Wilbur Hubbard How dreadfully ignorant you are. (Typed with two fingers.) I don't imagine Shakespeare knew how to type. Voice recognition software is still not up to par. A good touch typist can type 80-100 wpm without a single mistake that has to be corrected later. One spends more time looking for and correcting voice recognition software mistakes and omissions than if one simply learned to type and removed the middle man so to speak. Anybody typing with two fingers is lazy, stupid or both (unless, of course, they only have two fingers). Learning to type is a simple thing. Anybody can accomplish the task in about a week or two. Anybody who needs to type (as in a writer) should have enough pride in his work that he learns to type and at an advanced rate like 80-100 wpm. It appalls me that any so-called writer would admit he can't type. This is beyond pathetic. I, Wilbur Hubbard, can type 150 wpm. I can transcribe faster than you can dictate. I can type as fast as I can think. The problem with transcribing is you don't write well when you simply transcribe your talk. Writing is not talking. Writing is a different type of an art form. When I read somebody's writing I certainly don't want to read his blabbermouthing. And, believe me, I can tell the difference. Writing and word processing always ends up telling a better tale than a simple-minded narration. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On 2007-09-11 13:31:01 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said: What a hoot! A writer who can't type? Now, that's so dumb it's beyond human ken. That's what editors are for. Writers are often "idea people" and sometimes (often?) miss the small, detail-oriented stuff. Some of the best thinkers are, believe it or not, dyslexic as well. Comes with the territory. They've *mostly* overcome the handicap, but.... I been both. Almost every issue I (or my editor) would say "Did you really mean to say *that*?!" -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's new pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI pages: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On 2007-09-11 20:16:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said: It appalls me that any so-called writer would admit he can't type. This is beyond pathetic. (answered a few seconds ago) I, Wilbur Hubbard, can type 150 wpm. I can transcribe faster than you can dictate. Nice mechanical skill, but who has paid you for your output? I can type as fast as I can think. You only think that fast? [Sorry, couldn't resist so easy a shot] The problem with transcribing is you don't write well when you simply transcribe your talk. Writing is not talking. Writing is a different type of an art form. When I read somebody's writing I certainly don't want to read his blabbermouthing. And, believe me, I can tell the difference. Writing and word processing always ends up telling a better tale than a simple-minded narration. I can "hear" a good writer as I read. In fact, when I read a writer I know and *don't* hear his voice, I know the editor is ham-handed and should be replaced. A writer is using the printed page to tell a story, whether it be a good yarn or an instruction manual. A common writing technique is to read what you wrote aloud. If it sounds awkward or doesn't paint the picture you wanted to transmit, it's time to revise. Even you have a voice that I hear. I don't know it's pitch or speed, but I hear it clearly. Oh, on a different subject: your "@ddress". Most people would spell it "invalid", not "invallid". ;-) -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's new pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI pages: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... snip... .. I, Wilbur Hubbard, can type 150 wpm. I can transcribe faster than you can dictate. I can type as fast as I can think. The problem with transcribing is you don't write well when you simply transcribe your talk. Writing is not talking. Writing is a different type of an art form. When I read somebody's writing I certainly don't want to read his blabbermouthing. And, believe me, I can tell the difference. Writing and word processing always ends up telling a better tale than a simple-minded narration. Wilbur Hubbard You must have been a good secretary to someone in the post office. |
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On Sep 11, 6:43 pm, Dave wrote:
More utter nonsense. Only a fool would let work product that had been typed at the rate of 80-100 words per minute go out without proofreading. even if he were as skilled as the best of those whose full-time job is transcription. My mom died last last year at this time. After building Liberty ships i WW2 and Korea she became a typest. When she retired she was able to do 120 error free. But then again she also new shorthand. SHe really liked the computers. It was more difficult to jam em. She routeenly out typed the IBM Selectricts. She was just too fast for thoes IBM balls. She said when she was working in the federal building steno pool there were others who were a lot faster ! Gone with the buggie whips Bob |
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:16:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Gogarty" wrote in message . .. In article s.com, llid says... "Gogarty" wrote in message ... Well, Wilbur, I made a substantial living as a writer over many years. Still manage to rake in a dime or two now and then. But typing is not now, never will be and never was one of my skills. What a hoot! A writer who can't type? Now, that's so dumb it's beyond human ken. How many truck drivers can't steer? How many cowboys can't lasso? How many wet nurses can't lactate? How many bartenders can't mix drinks? How many airplane pilots can't land? How many talk radio hosts are deaf mutes? Get the point? Any writer worthy of the name learns to type. Wilbur Hubbard How dreadfully ignorant you are. (Typed with two fingers.) I don't imagine Shakespeare knew how to type. Voice recognition software is still not up to par. A good touch typist can type 80-100 wpm without a single mistake that has to be corrected later. One spends more time looking for and correcting voice recognition software mistakes and omissions than if one simply learned to type and removed the middle man so to speak. Anybody typing with two fingers is lazy, stupid or both (unless, of course, they only have two fingers). Learning to type is a simple thing. Anybody can accomplish the task in about a week or two. Anybody who needs to type (as in a writer) should have enough pride in his work that he learns to type and at an advanced rate like 80-100 wpm. It appalls me that any so-called writer would admit he can't type. This is beyond pathetic. I, Wilbur Hubbard, can type 150 wpm. I can transcribe faster than you can dictate. I can type as fast as I can think. The problem with transcribing is you don't write well when you simply transcribe your talk. Writing is not talking. Writing is a different type of an art form. When I read somebody's writing I certainly don't want to read his blabbermouthing. And, believe me, I can tell the difference. Writing and word processing always ends up telling a better tale than a simple-minded narration. Wilbur Hubbard Willie boy, you are positively amazing. You can type 150 words per minute ... I can type as fast as I can think, you say. So, using your figures you can think at about 150 words per minute, or about 0.400 seconds, or 400 milliseconds, per word. As reporting in the May 25 Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences, the speed of thought is around 300 milliseconds. That's how long it took a volunteer to begin to understand a pictured object. It appears that your comprehension is 33% lower then normal. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
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Jere Lull wrote in news:200709112054188930-
jerelull@maccom: That's To bring this kiddie war back on topic, I got one of Lydia's newsletters in my email, yesterday. They are now at the 79th Street Marina in Manhattan with Lydia's 80+ year old mother, who's getting her sea legs nicely from the sail over from LI though a little seasick and sore from the constant motion of the Pig. They are having a great time in NYC and retreat to their little mooring bouy island for R&R from the bustling city they can watch from the cockpit with amusement. I suppose she's got Skip hopping around, too busy to post...(c; Larry -- Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium" The ultimate dirty bomb...... |
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"Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2007091121070211272-jerelull@maccom... On 2007-09-11 20:16:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" said: It appalls me that any so-called writer would admit he can't type. This is beyond pathetic. (answered a few seconds ago) I, Wilbur Hubbard, can type 150 wpm. I can transcribe faster than you can dictate. Nice mechanical skill, but who has paid you for your output? I can type as fast as I can think. You only think that fast? The point is when a person talks his speech lags behind his thought process. This makes for inefficient speech which when transcribed makes for inefficient writing. Look at it this way. If you mouth the words that you read it slows down your reading. This is fact and cannot be argued with. You are engaging in an extra process and that's inneficient. Same thing goes with writing. It's more efficient to have the thought delivered through the fingertips than throught the mouth. Advanced writers have been taught these facts. That's why Gogarty is an unsuccessful writer for the most part. He has limited his potential. He has crippled himself. He's like a 400 pound ballerina. [Sorry, couldn't resist so easy a shot] Make it funnier next time . . . The problem with transcribing is you don't write well when you simply transcribe your talk. Writing is not talking. Writing is a different type of an art form. When I read somebody's writing I certainly don't want to read his blabbermouthing. And, believe me, I can tell the difference. Writing and word processing always ends up telling a better tale than a simple-minded narration. I can "hear" a good writer as I read. In fact, when I read a writer I know and *don't* hear his voice, I know the editor is ham-handed and should be replaced. Then you are mentally and probably physically mouthing the words. Printed words have no sound and should have no sound. They should only bring forth a mental process. The whole idea of verbal speech in anathema to written speech. Humans have progressed as far as they have primaryily due to the written word because it is so much more efficient and accurate. Writers should realize that fact and use the art of writing to go where speech cannot go. A writer is using the printed page to tell a story, whether it be a good yarn or an instruction manual. Only if his intent is to do so. As a writer, I would rather leave good yarn-spinning to my voice where it belongs. I use writing to stimulate thought - not paint a picture. A canvas and paint brush paints a better picture that somebody talking about a painting. A good writer bypasses the physical senses and goes right to the source - the mind. After all, without the mind there are no physical senses. The mind is the wellspring. Any writer who doesn't know this fact is no writer - just a hack. Why do you think I'm such a successful troll. It's not because I put my verbal blatherings on the screen. It's because I push mind buttons that writing can push while transcribed verbal gushings cannot. A common writing technique is to read what you wrote aloud. If it sounds awkward or doesn't paint the picture you wanted to transmit, it's time to revise. Even you have a voice that I hear. I don't know it's pitch or speed, but I hear it clearly. Oh, on a different subject: your "@ddress". Most people would spell it "invalid", not "invallid". Makes it all the more invalid. . . But, isn't it amazing how there is no such word and, as such, it is never spoken yet your mind can deal with it and look at the thoughts it produced without ever having been mouthed. Look what has happened "behind the scenes." Sort of makes my point, doesn't it? Wilbur Hubbard |
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wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:16:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Gogarty" wrote in message .. . In article s.com, llid says... "Gogarty" wrote in message ... Well, Wilbur, I made a substantial living as a writer over many years. Still manage to rake in a dime or two now and then. But typing is not now, never will be and never was one of my skills. What a hoot! A writer who can't type? Now, that's so dumb it's beyond human ken. How many truck drivers can't steer? How many cowboys can't lasso? How many wet nurses can't lactate? How many bartenders can't mix drinks? How many airplane pilots can't land? How many talk radio hosts are deaf mutes? Get the point? Any writer worthy of the name learns to type. Wilbur Hubbard How dreadfully ignorant you are. (Typed with two fingers.) I don't imagine Shakespeare knew how to type. Voice recognition software is still not up to par. A good touch typist can type 80-100 wpm without a single mistake that has to be corrected later. One spends more time looking for and correcting voice recognition software mistakes and omissions than if one simply learned to type and removed the middle man so to speak. Anybody typing with two fingers is lazy, stupid or both (unless, of course, they only have two fingers). Learning to type is a simple thing. Anybody can accomplish the task in about a week or two. Anybody who needs to type (as in a writer) should have enough pride in his work that he learns to type and at an advanced rate like 80-100 wpm. It appalls me that any so-called writer would admit he can't type. This is beyond pathetic. I, Wilbur Hubbard, can type 150 wpm. I can transcribe faster than you can dictate. I can type as fast as I can think. The problem with transcribing is you don't write well when you simply transcribe your talk. Writing is not talking. Writing is a different type of an art form. When I read somebody's writing I certainly don't want to read his blabbermouthing. And, believe me, I can tell the difference. Writing and word processing always ends up telling a better tale than a simple-minded narration. Wilbur Hubbard Willie boy, you are positively amazing. You can type 150 words per minute ... I can type as fast as I can think, you say. So, using your figures you can think at about 150 words per minute, or about 0.400 seconds, or 400 milliseconds, per word. As reporting in the May 25 Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences, the speed of thought is around 300 milliseconds. That's how long it took a volunteer to begin to understand a pictured object. The speed of thought is not measured in words. Thought happens without words. If I stick a pin into you there are no words involved with your realization of pain. You don't have to think "ouch" in order to feel the pain. So there goes your somewhat convoluted argument. It appears that your comprehension is 33% lower then normal. Got you again! What does comprehension have to do with the speed of thought? Some idiot savant might not be able to pick his nose but he can caluclate pi to the 39th decimal place in his head. He has no comprehension at all but he can still think. Again it makes my point that thinking does not rely on words. Words are just a by-product of thinking and a clumsy one at that. Add to that clumsiness verbalizing these words prior to putting them onto paper or the screen and you've become so inefficient that it's laughable thinking of a somebody like Gogarthy going through the motions. A 400lb ballerina. Wilbur Hubbardd |
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Wilbur,, love you man but::::
Some writers find that long hand is more creative. I suspect it is just a comfort thing. Truman Capote wrote with pen on paper, for example. Later, the script is transfered to type paper, and edited. === Keep being nasty. We need more mean spirited people here. This nice stuff is boring. Look at me, I am everyone's whipping boy. Roger absolutely hates me. This does not bother me in the least. I revel in discomfort. == I am confused about the Flying Pig Stick though. Shouldn't they be heading toward the Caribbean by now. GEt south for the good anchorages. ======== "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "Gogarty" wrote in message ... In article s.com, llid says... "Gogarty" wrote in message ... Well, Wilbur, I made a substantial living as a writer over many years. Still manage to rake in a dime or two now and then. But typing is not now, never will be and never was one of my skills. What a hoot! A writer who can't type? Now, that's so dumb it's beyond human ken. How many truck drivers can't steer? How many cowboys can't lasso? How many wet nurses can't lactate? How many bartenders can't mix drinks? How many airplane pilots can't land? How many talk radio hosts are deaf mutes? Get the point? Any writer worthy of the name learns to type. Wilbur Hubbard How dreadfully ignorant you are. (Typed with two fingers.) I don't imagine Shakespeare knew how to type. Voice recognition software is still not up to par. A good touch typist can type 80-100 wpm without a single mistake that has to be corrected later. One spends more time looking for and correcting voice recognition software mistakes and omissions than if one simply learned to type and removed the middle man so to speak. Anybody typing with two fingers is lazy, stupid or both (unless, of course, they only have two fingers). Learning to type is a simple thing. Anybody can accomplish the task in about a week or two. Anybody who needs to type (as in a writer) should have enough pride in his work that he learns to type and at an advanced rate like 80-100 wpm. It appalls me that any so-called writer would admit he can't type. This is beyond pathetic. I, Wilbur Hubbard, can type 150 wpm. I can transcribe faster than you can dictate. I can type as fast as I can think. The problem with transcribing is you don't write well when you simply transcribe your talk. Writing is not talking. Writing is a different type of an art form. When I read somebody's writing I certainly don't want to read his blabbermouthing. And, believe me, I can tell the difference. Writing and word processing always ends up telling a better tale than a simple-minded narration. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Bob" wrote in message ps.com... On Sep 11, 6:43 pm, Dave wrote: More utter nonsense. Only a fool would let work product that had been typed at the rate of 80-100 words per minute go out without proofreading. even if he were as skilled as the best of those whose full-time job is transcription. My mom died last last year at this time. After building Liberty ships i WW2 and Korea she became a typest. When she retired she was able to do 120 error free. But then again she also new shorthand. SHe really liked the computers. It was more difficult to jam em. She routeenly out typed the IBM Selectricts. She was just too fast for thoes IBM balls. Sorry, but that's either a lie or an old wife's tale. IBM Selectrics had a memory chip. You could not lose keystrokes because you eventuated them faster than the mechanism could put them on paper. If you typed faster than the ball could move, the ball would just continue to move after you had stopped typing until it caught up. I hope this helps. Wilbur Hubbard She said when she was working in the federal building steno pool there were others who were a lot faster ! Gone with the buggie whips Bob |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... Jere Lull wrote in news:200709112054188930- jerelull@maccom: That's To bring this kiddie war back on topic, I got one of Lydia's newsletters in my email, yesterday. They are now at the 79th Street Marina in Manhattan with Lydia's 80+ year old mother, who's getting her sea legs nicely from the sail over from LI though a little seasick and sore from the constant motion of the Pig. They are having a great time in NYC and retreat to their little mooring bouy island for R&R from the bustling city they can watch from the cockpit with amusement. I suppose she's got Skip hopping around, too busy to post...(c; More like too "ashamed" to post. Maybe he finally read all the subscribers who replied to his foolishness and attempted to get it though his buffoon skull that he's a danger to himself, his crew, his fellow sailors. And, he's become a joke in this group. I really hope he has gotten a clue and decided to call it quits before he kills himself or some innocent party. The man doesn't belong on the water. He's an idiot. Mark my words, we'll all be reading about him in the Darwin Awards one day soon. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Sep 12, 6:28 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: It appalls me that any so-called writer would admit he can't type. This is beyond pathetic. When I taught second grade in 01-03 I got to take my class to the computer room where, we all completed our Mavis Bacon individulaized key boarding program. In my humble opinion, at this time the ability to use a keyboard is a necessisty for later accademic success. I can type as fast as I can think. Now that is an interesting idea in the area of encoding and decoding thought. Depeding whoes research you read the numbers most people can DECODE (listent and usderstand) about 400-600 wpm. Most people belive we do not think like a typwriter, that is we dont think words per min. Its mostly feelings/ideas/thought THEN we order the suff in our brain(ENCODE) for sending (communication). So dear WilllBurr we dont think in wpm but we do listen and DECODE in wpm. The point is when a person talks his speech lags behind his thought process. YEs, good on Wilbur. This makes for inefficient speech which when transcribed makes for inefficient writing. Again your lay knowldege is showing here. You are makeing lots of assuptions here. Look at it this way. If you mouth the words that you read it slows down your reading. Readaloud is a very important precess for the emergant reader. Plus a very important part of modeling reading skills. That is, what an independent reader thinks when reading. It aint just about wpm.......... uh, ya gots to consider comprehension to. Thats a big problem with fonix. Kids can decode (read) text but dont know a thing about what they read. Its just the abilit to say sounds accuratly 80% of the time. Probably like your kids. they were able to recite the multiplication tables (algorythems- facts) but couldnt figure out how to use the stuff (application). Fairly typical in certain "socio- economic circles." This is fact and cannot be argued with. You are engaging in an extra process and that's inneficient. Same thing goes with writing. It's more efficient to have the thought delivered through the fingertips than throught the mouth. Advanced writers have been taught these facts. Again Willburr, you ar only partially correct here. You have forgot a significant piece. Do a little research (that means reading) and you'll understand why your response does not reflect a complete understanding. I can "hear" a good writer as I read. In fact, when I read a writer I know and *don't* hear his voice, I know the editor is ham-handed and should be replaced. By these wrod choices this writer shows some understanding. In several states, K-12 students writing is scored on: organization, ideas, conventions, and yes............. VOICE. Then you are mentally and probably physically mouthing the words. Printed words have no sound and should have no sound. I desagree. I love thoes books where you can touch a word and the book says the word. They should only bring forth a mental process. Now you are talking about decoding symbols. Why dont you just use the proper words Willburr. Unless you are just pulling this stuff out of your ass. The whole idea of verbal speech And what other type of speech is there? Humm maybe NON VERBAL speech? No, that is called non verbal communication. Willburr better get a better grip on word choce. I think your ignorance is showing. Why do you think I'm such a successful troll. It's not because I put my verbal blatherings on the screen. It's because I push mind buttons that writing can push while transcribed verbal gushings cannot. Wilbur Hubbard Sounds like board wilbur. Try sailing, I find it fun and fills my spare time. bob |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
My mom died last last year at this time. After building Liberty ships i WW2 and Korea she became a typest. When she retired she was able to do 120 error free. But then again she also new shorthand. SHe really liked the computers. It was more difficult to jam em. She routeenly out typed the IBM Selectricts. She was just too fast for thoes IBM balls. Sorry, but that's either a lie or an old wife's tale. IBM Selectrics had a memory chip. You could not lose keystrokes because you eventuated them faster than the mechanism could put them on paper. If you typed faster than the ball could move, the ball would just continue to move after you had stopped typing until it caught up. I hope this helps. The Selectric came out in 1961 and had no chip. In fact it had no electronics, other than the motor. The entire works were mechanical, including the "stroke storage" that allowed a second key to come in somewhat faster than the nominal 65 millisecond cycle time. At 14.8 characters/second, this is 3 words/second or 180 words per minute. This is faster than any typist can sustain, but is perhaps possible in a burst. |
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:08:31 -0700, Bob wrote:
On Sep 11, 6:43 pm, Dave wrote: More utter nonsense. Only a fool would let work product that had been typed at the rate of 80-100 words per minute go out without proofreading. even if he were as skilled as the best of those whose full-time job is transcription. My mom died last last year at this time. After building Liberty ships i WW2 and Korea she became a typest. When she retired she was able to do 120 error free. But then again she also new shorthand. SHe really liked the computers. It was more difficult to jam em. She routeenly out typed the IBM Selectricts. She was just too fast for thoes IBM balls. She said when she was working in the federal building steno pool there were others who were a lot faster ! Gone with the buggie whips My mom had a similar typing background, working in DC during WWII as a typist right out of high school. Won competitions. Later in Chicago in the '50's she was doing a typing test to get a job at a publishing company. When employees there heard her typing they all came to the door to get a look at the new *electric* typewriter they figured the company had finally bought. No electric there, but they stayed to watch her anyway. She went on to a career as one of the few female linotype operators in the country. I only saw her typing at home much later when I bought a typewriter to do college papers, and she sometimes helped me get out a paper. Amazing to watch. I took a touch typing course in college, only because it got an elective out of the way, and I liked the 20:1 female/male ratio in that classroom. I passed the course, which only required about 35 WPM, but soon reverted to 2-finger, and that's all I needed to get through my 25 year business/computer "career." I'm going to look at the voice software again. Last time I tested it - about 10 years ago - I rejected it. BTW, this post took me about 18 hours to write, but it was the thinking that made it slow. So the voice-writing might knock it down to maybe 9 hours. --Vic |
Where is Skip and the Flying Pig?
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:28:46 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: Then you are mentally and probably physically mouthing the words. Printed words have no sound and should have no sound. They should only bring forth a mental process. The whole idea of verbal speech in anathema to written speech. Humans have progressed as far as they have primaryily due to the written word because it is so much more efficient and accurate. Writers should realize that fact and use the art of writing to go where speech cannot go. As a lit/poetry student I gave considerable thought to what you are touching on here. Poetry and literature began as spoken words, and as writing developed they transitioned to being mostly read and not heard. Playwrights/scriptwriters have different concerns in their writing, but most writing it there to be read, not spoken. I even got interested in the *look* of certain words on a page as having their own "expression" and power - beyond their prescriptive meaning and aural sound. A writer is using the printed page to tell a story, whether it be a good yarn or an instruction manual. Only if his intent is to do so. As a writer, I would rather leave good yarn-spinning to my voice where it belongs. I use writing to stimulate thought - not paint a picture. A canvas and paint brush paints a better picture that somebody talking about a painting. A good writer bypasses the physical senses and goes right to the source - the mind. After all, without the mind there are no physical senses. The mind is the wellspring. Any writer who doesn't know this fact is no writer - just a hack. There are writers and writers. As I suggested above, some writers to paint pictures with words. And you have read their magic, seen their paintings. Why do you think I'm such a successful troll. It's not because I put my verbal blatherings on the screen. It's because I push mind buttons that writing can push while transcribed verbal gushings cannot. You can't speak to a newsgroup with aural voice. That's why you must type. You can use voice software and then tweak the words if they don't suit. Never done it myself. But if type your words well, a voice is heard. Only then are you successful. A common writing technique is to read what you wrote aloud. If it sounds awkward or doesn't paint the picture you wanted to transmit, it's time to revise. Even you have a voice that I hear. I don't know it's pitch or speed, but I hear it clearly. Oh, on a different subject: your "@ddress". Most people would spell it "invalid", not "invallid". Makes it all the more invalid. I can't remember if this proves or disproves your point or mine, but invalid and invallid are the same word when spoken, yet have generated "discussion" only because they have been written. --Vic |
Where is Skip and the Flying Pig?
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:21:10 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: In reading my own post, I see I mistyped and omitted a few words. A few minutes distance from it allowed me to see my mistakes. If I had used good voice software, and not been chewing on an apple as I spoke, those "typing" mistakes would have been avoided. But would I have had the same thoughts? Skip? What do you think? --Vic |
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In article s.com,
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: How many airplane pilots can't land? At least four, that we know of, because they flew into buildings on 9/11 and "Landing" wasn't what they had in mind......... LardHead...... |
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Where is Skip and the Flying Pig?
"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:21:10 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: In reading my own post, I see I mistyped and omitted a few words. A few minutes distance from it allowed me to see my mistakes. If I had used good voice software, and not been chewing on an apple as I spoke, those "typing" mistakes would have been avoided. But would I have had the same thoughts? Skip? What do you think? --Vic Skip think? Now, that's funny! Wilbur Hubbard |
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Gogarty wrote:
In article om, says... On Sep 11, 6:43 pm, Dave wrote: More utter nonsense. Only a fool would let work product that had been typed at the rate of 80-100 words per minute go out without proofreading. even if he were as skilled as the best of those whose full-time job is transcription. My mom died last last year at this time. After building Liberty ships i WW2 and Korea she became a typest. When she retired she was able to do 120 error free. But then again she also new shorthand. SHe really liked the computers. It was more difficult to jam em. She routeenly out typed the IBM Selectricts. She was just too fast for thoes IBM balls. She said when she was working in the federal building steno pool there were others who were a lot faster ! Gone with the buggie whips Bob Right and the current qwerty keyboard was to keep the old time typewriter keys from jamming - meant to slow down the typist. The next advance over the regular manual typewriter - before we got the Selectric, was an IBM Executive with variable spaced letters. If you had a correction, you had to remember how many spaces the letters took. IIRC, most of the letters were 3 spaces, but the I and L were only two, the M was four and the W was five (in lower case). We were still using carbon paper then too. One of my jobs in HS was to do typescript of my dad's first book for photo-offset printing where we were not allowed to erase an error because it would show. (Later editions were typeset - only the first version was done this way) My mom had one of these typewriters and a Selectric when she died and I basically threw them away because no one wants one anymore. I had a secretary once whom I hired straight out of college -- her first job. She was a typing demon. Information went in her eyes and out her fingers with no stops in between at some incredible speed. The type script she produced was a faithful copy of what she was given -- errors and all. She just went on automatic and if it was garbage in it was garbage out. It took awhile to get her to slow down and read what she was copying before she typed it. She became an excellent editor and has been running her own PR and advertising business for years. But way back then she was a real automaton. Yes - it is much faster to copy than to write. The two processes don't have any real correlation. Perfectly possible to type faster than you can think and reproduce what you see absolutely accurately. When I was learning to type, there was a girl in my class who was blind and she was learning to type dictation (since she couldn't read the text). She had to be perfect because she couldn't see her errors. It can be done. Really OT, but my first computer back in '76 was a Trash 80 that had no lower case. I was doing a major project for a client who objected to receiving typescripts that were all in upper case, like a teletype. The printer was a recycled Anderson-Jacobson terminal with an IBM Selectric action with a keyboard. You could use it offline as a typewriter. It cost $1,200 in 1976.. The printer would print out the teletype text and then my wife would retype it properly on the same machine. Happily, after-market vendors started producing chips that would give the Trash 80 lower case capability. My first computer was the Apple II+ in about that time frame and it didn't have the caps either. Although you could get software that would put them in. |
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:40:34 GMT, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
wrote: I am confused about the Flying Pig though. Shouldn't they be heading toward the Caribbean by now. GEt south for the good anchorages. ================= Not until the hurricane season is over, end of October more or less. Once you come north for the summer you're stuck here for awhile. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:40:34 GMT, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote: I am confused about the Flying Pig though. Shouldn't they be heading toward the Caribbean by now. GEt south for the good anchorages. ================= Not until the hurricane season is over, end of October more or less. Once you come north for the summer you're stuck here for awhile. It's been an astonishingly quiet hurricane season this year, for the most part. Must be Global Warming. |
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:37:16 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:16:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Gogarty" wrote in message . .. In article s.com, llid says... "Gogarty" wrote in message ... Well, Wilbur, I made a substantial living as a writer over many years. Still manage to rake in a dime or two now and then. But typing is not now, never will be and never was one of my skills. What a hoot! A writer who can't type? Now, that's so dumb it's beyond human ken. How many truck drivers can't steer? How many cowboys can't lasso? How many wet nurses can't lactate? How many bartenders can't mix drinks? How many airplane pilots can't land? How many talk radio hosts are deaf mutes? Get the point? Any writer worthy of the name learns to type. Wilbur Hubbard How dreadfully ignorant you are. (Typed with two fingers.) I don't imagine Shakespeare knew how to type. Voice recognition software is still not up to par. A good touch typist can type 80-100 wpm without a single mistake that has to be corrected later. One spends more time looking for and correcting voice recognition software mistakes and omissions than if one simply learned to type and removed the middle man so to speak. Anybody typing with two fingers is lazy, stupid or both (unless, of course, they only have two fingers). Learning to type is a simple thing. Anybody can accomplish the task in about a week or two. Anybody who needs to type (as in a writer) should have enough pride in his work that he learns to type and at an advanced rate like 80-100 wpm. It appalls me that any so-called writer would admit he can't type. This is beyond pathetic. I, Wilbur Hubbard, can type 150 wpm. I can transcribe faster than you can dictate. I can type as fast as I can think. The problem with transcribing is you don't write well when you simply transcribe your talk. Writing is not talking. Writing is a different type of an art form. When I read somebody's writing I certainly don't want to read his blabbermouthing. And, believe me, I can tell the difference. Writing and word processing always ends up telling a better tale than a simple-minded narration. Wilbur Hubbard Willie boy, you are positively amazing. You can type 150 words per minute ... I can type as fast as I can think, you say. So, using your figures you can think at about 150 words per minute, or about 0.400 seconds, or 400 milliseconds, per word. As reporting in the May 25 Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences, the speed of thought is around 300 milliseconds. That's how long it took a volunteer to begin to understand a pictured object. The speed of thought is not measured in words. Thought happens without words. If I stick a pin into you there are no words involved with your realization of pain. You don't have to think "ouch" in order to feel the pain. So there goes your somewhat convoluted argument. It appears that your comprehension is 33% lower then normal. Got you again! What does comprehension have to do with the speed ouf thought? Some idiot savant might not be able to pick his nose but he can caluclate pi to the 39th decimal place in his head. He has no comprehension at all but he can still think. Again it makes my point that thinking does not rely on words. Words are just a by-product of thinking and a clumsy one at that. Add to that clumsiness verbalizing these words prior to putting them onto paper or the screen and you've become so inefficient that it's laughable thinking of a somebody like Gogarthy going through the motions. A 400lb ballerina. Wilbur Hubbardd Will boy, I always knew that you were a genius so after you read this you really should write the National Academy of Sciences and tell them that they don't know what they are talking about. I'm sure that they will be excited to know that they were wrong. As this article is peer reviewed be sure to include your qualifications as it will make your critique so much more effective. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:32:56 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: Not until the hurricane season is over, end of October more or less. Once you come north for the summer you're stuck here for awhile. It's been an astonishingly quiet hurricane season this year, for the most part. Must be Global Warming. Yes but it would be tempting fate a little too much if we started south early. By staying in the Cheasapeake until late October there are more places to hide. |
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Rosalie B. wrote in
: My mom had one of these typewriters and a Selectric when she died and I basically threw them away because no one wants one anymore. Whoa! I have a Selectric! Mine even has a serial interface!...(c; My favorite typing machine is a huge Olympia office manual machine made back when Germany built things with precision machining. It is the smoothest typewriter I ever used. (It also rivals a panzertank in weight.) You don't have to worry about it sliding across the desk..(c; I paid $5 for it in a thrift shop about 10 years ago. I used to own an IBM System 34 computer system, given to me by the Catholic Church who needed the warehouse space. It came from a textile mill. I had all the O/S and software for small manufacturing to run on it. We even found a warehouse with 3-phase 208VAC to plug it into. Noone thought it would boot. It ran fine and still had the accounting system data on its hard drives. I had 6 dumb terminals, dual huge hard drives, 8" floppy drive and the massive chain printer that could eat a box of Z-fold paper in under an hour, sounding something like a 747 crashing into the trees...(c; Needing the warehouse space, myself, after the novelty of it wore off, we rolled it unceremoniously into a dumpster after stripping it of some great parts and huge power supply capacitors. The dumpster truck struggled to pick it up...(c; Larry -- Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium" The ultimate dirty bomb...... |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et: Must be Global Warming. http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/ In spite of a MOUNTAIN of FACTS, Algore, flying in his private jet to save the planet, continues on, unflustered by facts. Larry -- Earth is NOT sealed in a bubble, but is bombarded by a massive amount of gas from its nearest star, continuously. Its why all the burning for millions of years ISN'T choking you to death.... |
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On 2007-09-12 09:28:46 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said: I can "hear" a good writer as I read. In fact, when I read a writer I know and *don't* hear his voice, I know the editor is ham-handed and should be replaced. Then you are mentally and probably physically mouthing the words. Printed words have no sound and should have no sound. They should only bring forth a mental process. The whole idea of verbal speech in anathema to written speech. Humans have progressed as far as they have primaryily due to the written word because it is so much more efficient and accurate. Writers should realize that fact and use the art of writing to go where speech cannot go. Sorry, but I'm reading far faster than your 150 wpm (or even a New Yorker's speaking pace) with writers who "flow" well. "Voice" is more than the mechanical sounding out of words. It more involves the images and emotions invoked by the exact choice and placement of words, phrases and their cadence. Why do you think I'm such a successful troll. Because you're sometimes somewhat entertaining, and sometimes have a kernel of "truth" buried in the drek -- and sometimes you're so far off base with a fair enough facility in making it sound reasonable that a response seems warranted. Always, you're persistent and voluminous. Do you *ever* get out? -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's new pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI pages: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On 2007-09-12 13:57:41 -0400, David Scheidt said:
I don't doubt that there are three key combintations that someone who can type at 120 or 140 wpm that the selectric would lose. There were. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's new pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI pages: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On 2007-09-12 13:46:53 -0400, You said:
In article s.com, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: How many airplane pilots can't land? At least four, that we know of, because they flew into buildings on 9/11 and "Landing" wasn't what they had in mind......... LardHead...... Actually, they *did* land, just not *good* landings ;-) I don't believe there has been a documented case of a pilot *not* landing the plane, somehow -- well or poorly. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's new pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI pages: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Larry wrote:
"KLC Lewis" wrote in et: Must be Global Warming. http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/ In spite of a MOUNTAIN of FACTS, Algore, flying in his private jet to save the planet, continues on, unflustered by facts. Good work, Larry. You've posted an article that supports the climate change theory while implying it doesn't. To quote from your article: "Of course, 1 Celsius ain't much compared to the 15°-20° Celsius cooling throughout the Cenozoic - but it's happening fast, and and it's not over yet! With all the changes the Earth has experienced over its history, one might think one more change is no big deal. In the long run, yes. But the future of humanity depends crucially on what happens in the "short run": the next millennium or two. If we didn't mess around with the climate, our Earth's climate might remain stable for another thousand years or more. As it is, we're bringing on more sudden changes." |
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