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Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
I've been a contented user of The Capn since ver. 4.3 up to 6.1 (upgrading
each time the card comes). However, the latest upgrade would require that I move to a more power full laptop computer (I suspect, because of the Mosaic crap and SoftCharts). Now I'm finding it difficult to get product support for Capn Voyager. Rather than spend the $49 for an upgrade that I can't use (recent marked dwn special), I'm considering crossing over to Fugawi 3 for $99. I looked over the Demo and read about all the features and conclude that although it isn't as 'slick' as The Capn, it is more flexible (in chart formats), more capable and user friendly.. It also can be used with the street/highway (land based) map data bases. Allows you to scan and register your own charts. The list goes on, while the basic navigation program seems simple and user friendly.. With an upgrade, I could also be using the ENC vector charts. So, Why am I here?? I would like the hear from others who might have been exposed to either Fugawi and/or The Capn. Thanks for any comments on actual usage. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:51:17 -0800, "Steve" wrote: I've been a contented user of The Capn since ver. 4.3 up to 6.1 (upgrading each time the card comes). However, the latest upgrade would require that I move to a more power full laptop computer (I suspect, because of the Mosaic crap and SoftCharts). Now I'm finding it difficult to get product support for Capn Voyager. Rather than spend the $49 for an upgrade that I can't use (recent marked dwn special), I'm considering crossing over to Fugawi 3 for $99. I looked over the Demo and read about all the features and conclude that although it isn't as 'slick' as The Capn, it is more flexible (in chart formats), more capable and user friendly.. It also can be used with the street/highway (land based) map data bases. Allows you to scan and register your own charts. The list goes on, while the basic navigation program seems simple and user friendly.. With an upgrade, I could also be using the ENC vector charts. So, Why am I here?? I would like the hear from others who might have been exposed to either Fugawi and/or The Capn. Thanks for any comments on actual usage. Steve s/v Good Intentions Just to add to the religious war that's brewing, you might want to add OziExplorer to your list. It's downright frugal with your computer resources, and will read dang near any raster map format. I think it will do just about anything Fugawi does. It does not support any vector charts, though. In my experience, the autopilot support is a bt dodgy, but I haven't really tried to resolve those issues. It might be my problem. It's not primarily desgned for boaters, but it is definitely useable. Unlike the other packages I've messed with, Ozi has a published API that lets third parties develop stuff that interfaces with the main package. One of them sends water depth data to OziExplorer, which integrates it wth the position data for display and logging. My own little program can exchange position and waypoint data with Ozi. I've been a Maptech fan for awhile, but I find myself using Ozi more and more. I've always disliked CAPN for its inflexible setup. I haven't tried FUGAWI, but you have to respect people who name their product after a bad joke. __________________________________________________ __________ Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious. Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/ |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:51:17 -0800, "Steve" wrote: I've been a contented user of The Capn since ver. 4.3 up to 6.1 (upgrading each time the card comes). However, the latest upgrade would require that I move to a more power full laptop computer (I suspect, because of the Mosaic crap and SoftCharts). Now I'm finding it difficult to get product support for Capn Voyager. Rather than spend the $49 for an upgrade that I can't use (recent marked dwn special), I'm considering crossing over to Fugawi 3 for $99. I looked over the Demo and read about all the features and conclude that although it isn't as 'slick' as The Capn, it is more flexible (in chart formats), more capable and user friendly.. It also can be used with the street/highway (land based) map data bases. Allows you to scan and register your own charts. The list goes on, while the basic navigation program seems simple and user friendly.. With an upgrade, I could also be using the ENC vector charts. So, Why am I here?? I would like the hear from others who might have been exposed to either Fugawi and/or The Capn. Thanks for any comments on actual usage. Steve s/v Good Intentions Just to add to the religious war that's brewing, you might want to add OziExplorer to your list. It's downright frugal with your computer resources, and will read dang near any raster map format. I think it will do just about anything Fugawi does. It does not support any vector charts, though. In my experience, the autopilot support is a bt dodgy, but I haven't really tried to resolve those issues. It might be my problem. It's not primarily desgned for boaters, but it is definitely useable. Unlike the other packages I've messed with, Ozi has a published API that lets third parties develop stuff that interfaces with the main package. One of them sends water depth data to OziExplorer, which integrates it wth the position data for display and logging. My own little program can exchange position and waypoint data with Ozi. I've been a Maptech fan for awhile, but I find myself using Ozi more and more. I've always disliked CAPN for its inflexible setup. I haven't tried FUGAWI, but you have to respect people who name their product after a bad joke. __________________________________________________ __________ Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious. Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/ |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
FUGAWI, but you have to respect people who name their product after a
bad joke. I appreciate all of your comments Wiley, but please expand on the above 'snipe'.. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
FUGAWI, but you have to respect people who name their product after a
bad joke. I appreciate all of your comments Wiley, but please expand on the above 'snipe'.. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
I've used them all:
The Capn - really poor user interface. Bad feel. The only people who like it are the ones who've been using it for many years and don't know any better. Fugawi - very basic stuff. Not the best and certainly not the most reliable. OziExplorer - buy software from an American company or else support will be a nightmare. OziExplorer is very similar to Fugawi in my experiments. Again, not the most reliable. Nobeltec VNS, etc. - the best. Best features and user-interface. It is reliable. Also the most expensive. I don't think that their product justifies the $500 - $1,000 cost any longer. Maptech - good compromise between everything. Excellent support. Features are good enough for most uses. User interface is pretty good. It is reliable. Transas, Raymarine, and all the others - not ready for prime time. If you can afford it, Nobeltec is the way to do. For a more reasonably priced product with great features and excellent support, you would be very happy with the Maptech products. Safety is the most important thing. Don't forget that! |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
I've used them all:
The Capn - really poor user interface. Bad feel. The only people who like it are the ones who've been using it for many years and don't know any better. Fugawi - very basic stuff. Not the best and certainly not the most reliable. OziExplorer - buy software from an American company or else support will be a nightmare. OziExplorer is very similar to Fugawi in my experiments. Again, not the most reliable. Nobeltec VNS, etc. - the best. Best features and user-interface. It is reliable. Also the most expensive. I don't think that their product justifies the $500 - $1,000 cost any longer. Maptech - good compromise between everything. Excellent support. Features are good enough for most uses. User interface is pretty good. It is reliable. Transas, Raymarine, and all the others - not ready for prime time. If you can afford it, Nobeltec is the way to do. For a more reasonably priced product with great features and excellent support, you would be very happy with the Maptech products. Safety is the most important thing. Don't forget that! |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
I may be misunderstanding you Steve but if you are asking what the joke is
it goes something like this: Have you heard about the Fugawi tribe recently discovered by anthropologists in Africa? Apparently they are a tribe of Pigmies that live in the grasslands of the central plains. They are on average about 4' tall and live in a region where the grass grows about 6' tall. We call them the Fugawi because they are always going around saying, (wait for it) "We're the Fugawi, we're the Fugawi." ;-) Happy New Year! -- Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin Cape Breton Island, Canada kenheaton AT syd DOT eastlink DOT ca "Steve" wrote in message ... FUGAWI, but you have to respect people who name their product after a bad joke. I appreciate all of your comments Wiley, but please expand on the above 'snipe'.. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
I may be misunderstanding you Steve but if you are asking what the joke is
it goes something like this: Have you heard about the Fugawi tribe recently discovered by anthropologists in Africa? Apparently they are a tribe of Pigmies that live in the grasslands of the central plains. They are on average about 4' tall and live in a region where the grass grows about 6' tall. We call them the Fugawi because they are always going around saying, (wait for it) "We're the Fugawi, we're the Fugawi." ;-) Happy New Year! -- Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin Cape Breton Island, Canada kenheaton AT syd DOT eastlink DOT ca "Steve" wrote in message ... FUGAWI, but you have to respect people who name their product after a bad joke. I appreciate all of your comments Wiley, but please expand on the above 'snipe'.. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
Thanks. That was the type of comparision I was looking for, although not
what I wanted to hear. I believe that Nautical Technology (The Capn), Nobeltec and Maptech have an agenda to lock the navigator into a chart format. And of course they control the market on these formats. Not only do I have about five hundred buck invested in The Capn, but I have nearly a thousand invested in BSB and other raster formats that run on Capn and Maptech software.. Now I see each company introducing their new formats/type of digital charts.. The money is not in the navigation software, the money is in the charts. The race among the three leaders is to get the navigator locked into a format before he becomes aware of the ever increasing number of vector charts being released for free.. Although I have been locked into BSB and The Capn for about 4 years, I have only sailed two seasons with this software and chart format. I am content with the choice of chart format but I have lost confidence in Nautical Technology since there fail to provide comprehensive interface with external devices. (subject of previous posts here and in rec.boats.electronics).. For my present and future navigation requirements, I don't see any need for SoftCharts, Vector charts or enhanced video presentations with my charts. I just want my laptop screen to look like the paper charts that I have laying on the chart table. One of the feature of The Capn that I would miss with a Fugawi change over would be the Tides & Currents, however, I still will have their Tides and Currents available though the Graphic representation, I just won't be able to display this information on the chart. I guess I have ranted enough (for now). Steve s/v Good Intentions |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
Thanks. That was the type of comparision I was looking for, although not
what I wanted to hear. I believe that Nautical Technology (The Capn), Nobeltec and Maptech have an agenda to lock the navigator into a chart format. And of course they control the market on these formats. Not only do I have about five hundred buck invested in The Capn, but I have nearly a thousand invested in BSB and other raster formats that run on Capn and Maptech software.. Now I see each company introducing their new formats/type of digital charts.. The money is not in the navigation software, the money is in the charts. The race among the three leaders is to get the navigator locked into a format before he becomes aware of the ever increasing number of vector charts being released for free.. Although I have been locked into BSB and The Capn for about 4 years, I have only sailed two seasons with this software and chart format. I am content with the choice of chart format but I have lost confidence in Nautical Technology since there fail to provide comprehensive interface with external devices. (subject of previous posts here and in rec.boats.electronics).. For my present and future navigation requirements, I don't see any need for SoftCharts, Vector charts or enhanced video presentations with my charts. I just want my laptop screen to look like the paper charts that I have laying on the chart table. One of the feature of The Capn that I would miss with a Fugawi change over would be the Tides & Currents, however, I still will have their Tides and Currents available though the Graphic representation, I just won't be able to display this information on the chart. I guess I have ranted enough (for now). Steve s/v Good Intentions |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
I have been using Fugawi for six years and have v. 2.something-or-other.
I find it to be an excellent program. The laptop interfaces very nicely with my Garmin 120XL to give a large screen chartplotter. A bonus is that Fugawi can now be used with a Palm or HP handheld along with a miniature dedicated GPS unit. Henry. |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
I have been using Fugawi for six years and have v. 2.something-or-other.
I find it to be an excellent program. The laptop interfaces very nicely with my Garmin 120XL to give a large screen chartplotter. A bonus is that Fugawi can now be used with a Palm or HP handheld along with a miniature dedicated GPS unit. Henry. |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
"Henry" wrote in message news:X7NIb.896040$9l5.623894@pd7tw2no... A bonus is that Fugawi can now be used with a Palm or HP handheld along with a miniature dedicated GPS unit. Yes, that is a feature that i have been reading about on their web site. Supposedly you can also upload chart section from your laptop to the some of the more sophisticated palm or pocket pc. I hadn't considered this before but it does sound interesting now as the price are dropping on the handhelds. Would be nice to do this and take the handheld up to the helm. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
"Henry" wrote in message news:X7NIb.896040$9l5.623894@pd7tw2no... A bonus is that Fugawi can now be used with a Palm or HP handheld along with a miniature dedicated GPS unit. Yes, that is a feature that i have been reading about on their web site. Supposedly you can also upload chart section from your laptop to the some of the more sophisticated palm or pocket pc. I hadn't considered this before but it does sound interesting now as the price are dropping on the handhelds. Would be nice to do this and take the handheld up to the helm. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:48:18 -0800, "Steve" wrote:
FUGAWI, but you have to respect people who name their product after a bad joke. I appreciate all of your comments Wiley, but please expand on the above 'snipe'.. Steve s/v Good Intentions Steve - I see you already have the answer. I didn't mean that as a snipe; I truly like the attitude it shows. A slightly different version of the joke refers to the Fukarya tribe. :) Another poster recommended Maptech. I like it, but I doubt that anyone who has a beef with the resource requirements of CAPN will like Maptech much better. I was never satisfied with it till I upgraded to an 850 mhz cpu with 256MB. The official recommendation of "Pentium class cpu and 64MB" is absurd. Nice functionality though. It's what I run when I want to use the photos and topo maps from their chartkits. The configurability of Offshore Navigator is superb. The current version seems reliable enough, though I had a lot of trouble with older versions. You can use any charts you like, as long as MapTech made them. As for OziExplorer support, I doubt that you could find many people to complain about it. The author has an excellent record of fixing user problems and adding requested features. Also, there is an excellent Ozi mailist on Yahoo that generally turns around answers to questions in a few hours. I licensed the program in 1998 and I really haven't had any reliability problems since that first year. Also, even with all the new features that have been added, there has never been an upgrade fee. Which is not to say the program is perfect. The real problem with Ozi from my point of view is that it was originally built for hikers and off-roaders and has grown more by accretion than by design. The feature set and interface are not ideal from our point of view. Given the option, I'd try hard to wait and see how ENC support shakes out before choosing. I have the feeling that most of the vendors are trying to figure out how to make those free charts more expensive than the ones we have now. If I planned on going places where BSB chart coverage is spotty or insanely expensive (and I do), Ozi or Fugawi would be aboard regardless of what else I was using. __________________________________________________ __________ Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious. Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/ |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:48:18 -0800, "Steve" wrote:
FUGAWI, but you have to respect people who name their product after a bad joke. I appreciate all of your comments Wiley, but please expand on the above 'snipe'.. Steve s/v Good Intentions Steve - I see you already have the answer. I didn't mean that as a snipe; I truly like the attitude it shows. A slightly different version of the joke refers to the Fukarya tribe. :) Another poster recommended Maptech. I like it, but I doubt that anyone who has a beef with the resource requirements of CAPN will like Maptech much better. I was never satisfied with it till I upgraded to an 850 mhz cpu with 256MB. The official recommendation of "Pentium class cpu and 64MB" is absurd. Nice functionality though. It's what I run when I want to use the photos and topo maps from their chartkits. The configurability of Offshore Navigator is superb. The current version seems reliable enough, though I had a lot of trouble with older versions. You can use any charts you like, as long as MapTech made them. As for OziExplorer support, I doubt that you could find many people to complain about it. The author has an excellent record of fixing user problems and adding requested features. Also, there is an excellent Ozi mailist on Yahoo that generally turns around answers to questions in a few hours. I licensed the program in 1998 and I really haven't had any reliability problems since that first year. Also, even with all the new features that have been added, there has never been an upgrade fee. Which is not to say the program is perfect. The real problem with Ozi from my point of view is that it was originally built for hikers and off-roaders and has grown more by accretion than by design. The feature set and interface are not ideal from our point of view. Given the option, I'd try hard to wait and see how ENC support shakes out before choosing. I have the feeling that most of the vendors are trying to figure out how to make those free charts more expensive than the ones we have now. If I planned on going places where BSB chart coverage is spotty or insanely expensive (and I do), Ozi or Fugawi would be aboard regardless of what else I was using. __________________________________________________ __________ Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious. Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/ |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
I have been using Fugawi for six years.I boat in the Hudson River,Lake
Ontario and Rhode Island sound.I use the program with my laptop and about a year ago started using a Pocket Pc .The pocket Pc is the way to go for me.Color,nice brightness,compact and can be loaded with BSB charts in all their glory.I have also downloaded the new free ENC charts for all my boating areas and they work fine on the IPAQ 3650 Pocket Pc. Regards Russ "Steve" wrote in message ... I've been a contented user of The Capn since ver. 4.3 up to 6.1 (upgrading each time the card comes). However, the latest upgrade would require that I move to a more power full laptop computer (I suspect, because of the Mosaic crap and SoftCharts). Now I'm finding it difficult to get product support for Capn Voyager. Rather than spend the $49 for an upgrade that I can't use (recent marked dwn special), I'm considering crossing over to Fugawi 3 for $99. I looked over the Demo and read about all the features and conclude that although it isn't as 'slick' as The Capn, it is more flexible (in chart formats), more capable and user friendly.. It also can be used with the street/highway (land based) map data bases. Allows you to scan and register your own charts. The list goes on, while the basic navigation program seems simple and user friendly.. With an upgrade, I could also be using the ENC vector charts. So, Why am I here?? I would like the hear from others who might have been exposed to either Fugawi and/or The Capn. Thanks for any comments on actual usage. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
I have been using Fugawi for six years.I boat in the Hudson River,Lake
Ontario and Rhode Island sound.I use the program with my laptop and about a year ago started using a Pocket Pc .The pocket Pc is the way to go for me.Color,nice brightness,compact and can be loaded with BSB charts in all their glory.I have also downloaded the new free ENC charts for all my boating areas and they work fine on the IPAQ 3650 Pocket Pc. Regards Russ "Steve" wrote in message ... I've been a contented user of The Capn since ver. 4.3 up to 6.1 (upgrading each time the card comes). However, the latest upgrade would require that I move to a more power full laptop computer (I suspect, because of the Mosaic crap and SoftCharts). Now I'm finding it difficult to get product support for Capn Voyager. Rather than spend the $49 for an upgrade that I can't use (recent marked dwn special), I'm considering crossing over to Fugawi 3 for $99. I looked over the Demo and read about all the features and conclude that although it isn't as 'slick' as The Capn, it is more flexible (in chart formats), more capable and user friendly.. It also can be used with the street/highway (land based) map data bases. Allows you to scan and register your own charts. The list goes on, while the basic navigation program seems simple and user friendly.. With an upgrade, I could also be using the ENC vector charts. So, Why am I here?? I would like the hear from others who might have been exposed to either Fugawi and/or The Capn. Thanks for any comments on actual usage. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
Are they related to the Furuno tribe?....(c;
Mgazi Mfuming On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:36:17 -0400, "Ken Heaton" wrote: I may be misunderstanding you Steve but if you are asking what the joke is it goes something like this: Have you heard about the Fugawi tribe recently discovered by anthropologists in Africa? Apparently they are a tribe of Pigmies that live in the grasslands of the central plains. They are on average about 4' tall and live in a region where the grass grows about 6' tall. We call them the Fugawi because they are always going around saying, (wait for it) "We're the Fugawi, we're the Fugawi." ;-) Happy New Year! -- Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin Cape Breton Island, Canada kenheaton AT syd DOT eastlink DOT ca "Steve" wrote in message ... FUGAWI, but you have to respect people who name their product after a bad joke. I appreciate all of your comments Wiley, but please expand on the above 'snipe'.. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
Are they related to the Furuno tribe?....(c;
Mgazi Mfuming On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:36:17 -0400, "Ken Heaton" wrote: I may be misunderstanding you Steve but if you are asking what the joke is it goes something like this: Have you heard about the Fugawi tribe recently discovered by anthropologists in Africa? Apparently they are a tribe of Pigmies that live in the grasslands of the central plains. They are on average about 4' tall and live in a region where the grass grows about 6' tall. We call them the Fugawi because they are always going around saying, (wait for it) "We're the Fugawi, we're the Fugawi." ;-) Happy New Year! -- Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin Cape Breton Island, Canada kenheaton AT syd DOT eastlink DOT ca "Steve" wrote in message ... FUGAWI, but you have to respect people who name their product after a bad joke. I appreciate all of your comments Wiley, but please expand on the above 'snipe'.. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
A bonus is that Fugawi can now be used with a Palm or HP handheld along
with a miniature dedicated GPS unit. I have the Fugawi Palm software and Maptech's Outdoor Navigator. Again, no comparison. Outdoor Navigator is a sweet deal - you get EVERY NOAA chart in the US with the software for $99. They also give you every USGS topo (about 60,000 of them) but they aren't good for boating use - they are nice to look at though! With Fugawi, you get chart pieces. It's cute and makes a nice demo but isn't really prime time for really using in your boat or dinghy. Outdoor Navigator is a real chartplotter with routes, waypoints and is made to be used on a boat. You can't go wrong with it... |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
A bonus is that Fugawi can now be used with a Palm or HP handheld along
with a miniature dedicated GPS unit. I have the Fugawi Palm software and Maptech's Outdoor Navigator. Again, no comparison. Outdoor Navigator is a sweet deal - you get EVERY NOAA chart in the US with the software for $99. They also give you every USGS topo (about 60,000 of them) but they aren't good for boating use - they are nice to look at though! With Fugawi, you get chart pieces. It's cute and makes a nice demo but isn't really prime time for really using in your boat or dinghy. Outdoor Navigator is a real chartplotter with routes, waypoints and is made to be used on a boat. You can't go wrong with it... |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
Outdoor Navigator is a real chartplotter with routes, waypoints and is made to be used on a boat. You can't go wrong with it... Funny you should say that. For the six years I have been using Fugawi, I have been able to enter waypoints and routes. On the water it shows position accurately, course, track, co-ordinates on screen, direction true and magnetic, speed, estimated time of arrival, time to go. It does everything my friend's expensive chart plotter does. I cannot comment on other programs, but this has proved easy to use and accurate. And the price is right. Henry. |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
Outdoor Navigator is a real chartplotter with routes, waypoints and is made to be used on a boat. You can't go wrong with it... Funny you should say that. For the six years I have been using Fugawi, I have been able to enter waypoints and routes. On the water it shows position accurately, course, track, co-ordinates on screen, direction true and magnetic, speed, estimated time of arrival, time to go. It does everything my friend's expensive chart plotter does. I cannot comment on other programs, but this has proved easy to use and accurate. And the price is right. Henry. |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:51:17 -0800, "Steve" wrote:
I've been a contented user of The Capn since ver. 4.3 up to 6.1 (upgrading each time the card comes). However, the latest upgrade would require that I move to a more power full laptop computer (I suspect, because of the Mosaic crap and SoftCharts). Now I'm finding it difficult to get product support for Capn Voyager. Rather than spend the $49 for an upgrade that I can't use (recent marked dwn special), I'm considering crossing over to Fugawi 3 for $99. I've used Fugawi with BSB charts for 3 years. No big problems, OK in most things. Good UI, Fair reliability. I'm considering moving to Nobeltec, also with BSB charts, but I also want them to introduce ENC S57 support, which seems slow. /Marcus -- Marcus AAkesson Gothenburg Callsigns: SM6XFN & SB4779 Sweden Keep the world clean - no HTML in news or mail ! |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:51:17 -0800, "Steve" wrote:
I've been a contented user of The Capn since ver. 4.3 up to 6.1 (upgrading each time the card comes). However, the latest upgrade would require that I move to a more power full laptop computer (I suspect, because of the Mosaic crap and SoftCharts). Now I'm finding it difficult to get product support for Capn Voyager. Rather than spend the $49 for an upgrade that I can't use (recent marked dwn special), I'm considering crossing over to Fugawi 3 for $99. I've used Fugawi with BSB charts for 3 years. No big problems, OK in most things. Good UI, Fair reliability. I'm considering moving to Nobeltec, also with BSB charts, but I also want them to introduce ENC S57 support, which seems slow. /Marcus -- Marcus AAkesson Gothenburg Callsigns: SM6XFN & SB4779 Sweden Keep the world clean - no HTML in news or mail ! |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
"Marcus AAkesson" wrote in message ... On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:51:17 -0800, "Steve" wrote: I've used Fugawi with BSB charts for 3 years. No big problems, OK in most things. Good UI, Fair reliability. I'm considering moving to Nobeltec, also with BSB charts, but I also want them to introduce ENC S57 support, which seems slow. You might want to reconsider. http://www.nobeltec.com/Support/bsb.asp "Special Notice Regarding BSB 4.0 Chart Support Due to circumstances beyond our control, Maptech has again changed the format of their BSB charts and as such, Nobeltec software does not support the new BSB 4.0 format. Supporting this new format requires us to make significant changes to our software. Due to this fact, we have made the decision to not add chart support for the BSB 4.0 format" ... Note to Canadians: NDI 2004 charts are BSB 4.0. Nobeltec does not have complete Canadian coverage in the Passport portfolio's. EG: No coverage of the westcoast of Vancouver Island or the Queen Charlottes (P3). Nobeltec has also stated that they have no intention of producing the P3 CD. -- Saltair Perhaps the worst plight of a vessel is to be caught in a gale on a lee shore. In this connection the following rules should be observed. 1. Never allow your vessel to be found in such a predicament. Callingham: "Seamanship: Jottings for the Young Sailor" |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
"Marcus AAkesson" wrote in message ... On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:51:17 -0800, "Steve" wrote: I've used Fugawi with BSB charts for 3 years. No big problems, OK in most things. Good UI, Fair reliability. I'm considering moving to Nobeltec, also with BSB charts, but I also want them to introduce ENC S57 support, which seems slow. You might want to reconsider. http://www.nobeltec.com/Support/bsb.asp "Special Notice Regarding BSB 4.0 Chart Support Due to circumstances beyond our control, Maptech has again changed the format of their BSB charts and as such, Nobeltec software does not support the new BSB 4.0 format. Supporting this new format requires us to make significant changes to our software. Due to this fact, we have made the decision to not add chart support for the BSB 4.0 format" ... Note to Canadians: NDI 2004 charts are BSB 4.0. Nobeltec does not have complete Canadian coverage in the Passport portfolio's. EG: No coverage of the westcoast of Vancouver Island or the Queen Charlottes (P3). Nobeltec has also stated that they have no intention of producing the P3 CD. -- Saltair Perhaps the worst plight of a vessel is to be caught in a gale on a lee shore. In this connection the following rules should be observed. 1. Never allow your vessel to be found in such a predicament. Callingham: "Seamanship: Jottings for the Young Sailor" |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
"Ken Heaton" wrote in message ... I may be misunderstanding you Steve but if you are asking what the joke is it goes something like this: Also " Where the F**k are we" F.U.G.A.W.I... |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
"Ken Heaton" wrote in message ... I may be misunderstanding you Steve but if you are asking what the joke is it goes something like this: Also " Where the F**k are we" F.U.G.A.W.I... |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
That would be "Where the FUGAWI!" :)
Doug s/v Callista "Ken Heaton" wrote in message ... I may be misunderstanding you Steve but if you are asking what the joke is it goes something like this: Have you heard about the Fugawi tribe recently discovered by anthropologists in Africa? Apparently they are a tribe of Pigmies that live in the grasslands of the central plains. They are on average about 4' tall and live in a region where the grass grows about 6' tall. We call them the Fugawi because they are always going around saying, (wait for it) "We're the Fugawi, we're the Fugawi." ;-) Happy New Year! -- Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin Cape Breton Island, Canada kenheaton AT syd DOT eastlink DOT ca "Steve" wrote in message ... FUGAWI, but you have to respect people who name their product after a bad joke. I appreciate all of your comments Wiley, but please expand on the above 'snipe'.. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
That would be "Where the FUGAWI!" :)
Doug s/v Callista "Ken Heaton" wrote in message ... I may be misunderstanding you Steve but if you are asking what the joke is it goes something like this: Have you heard about the Fugawi tribe recently discovered by anthropologists in Africa? Apparently they are a tribe of Pigmies that live in the grasslands of the central plains. They are on average about 4' tall and live in a region where the grass grows about 6' tall. We call them the Fugawi because they are always going around saying, (wait for it) "We're the Fugawi, we're the Fugawi." ;-) Happy New Year! -- Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin Cape Breton Island, Canada kenheaton AT syd DOT eastlink DOT ca "Steve" wrote in message ... FUGAWI, but you have to respect people who name their product after a bad joke. I appreciate all of your comments Wiley, but please expand on the above 'snipe'.. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
No kidding.
"Saltair" wrote in message news:LbYKb.16465$X%5.6440@pd7tw2no... "Ken Heaton" wrote in message ... I may be misunderstanding you Steve but if you are asking what the joke is it goes something like this: Also " Where the F**k are we" F.U.G.A.W.I... |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
No kidding.
"Saltair" wrote in message news:LbYKb.16465$X%5.6440@pd7tw2no... "Ken Heaton" wrote in message ... I may be misunderstanding you Steve but if you are asking what the joke is it goes something like this: Also " Where the F**k are we" F.U.G.A.W.I... |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
The only beef I have woth Capn is that the port used for GPS in
and autopilot out must be the same. Does OZI allow different ports be specified for in and out? Doug s/v Callista "Glen "Wiley" Wilson" wrote in message ... On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:48:18 -0800, "Steve" wrote: FUGAWI, but you have to respect people who name their product after a bad joke. I appreciate all of your comments Wiley, but please expand on the above 'snipe'.. Steve s/v Good Intentions Steve - I see you already have the answer. I didn't mean that as a snipe; I truly like the attitude it shows. A slightly different version of the joke refers to the Fukarya tribe. :) Another poster recommended Maptech. I like it, but I doubt that anyone who has a beef with the resource requirements of CAPN will like Maptech much better. I was never satisfied with it till I upgraded to an 850 mhz cpu with 256MB. The official recommendation of "Pentium class cpu and 64MB" is absurd. Nice functionality though. It's what I run when I want to use the photos and topo maps from their chartkits. The configurability of Offshore Navigator is superb. The current version seems reliable enough, though I had a lot of trouble with older versions. You can use any charts you like, as long as MapTech made them. As for OziExplorer support, I doubt that you could find many people to complain about it. The author has an excellent record of fixing user problems and adding requested features. Also, there is an excellent Ozi mailist on Yahoo that generally turns around answers to questions in a few hours. I licensed the program in 1998 and I really haven't had any reliability problems since that first year. Also, even with all the new features that have been added, there has never been an upgrade fee. Which is not to say the program is perfect. The real problem with Ozi from my point of view is that it was originally built for hikers and off-roaders and has grown more by accretion than by design. The feature set and interface are not ideal from our point of view. Given the option, I'd try hard to wait and see how ENC support shakes out before choosing. I have the feeling that most of the vendors are trying to figure out how to make those free charts more expensive than the ones we have now. If I planned on going places where BSB chart coverage is spotty or insanely expensive (and I do), Ozi or Fugawi would be aboard regardless of what else I was using. __________________________________________________ __________ Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious. Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/ |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
The only beef I have woth Capn is that the port used for GPS in
and autopilot out must be the same. Does OZI allow different ports be specified for in and out? Doug s/v Callista "Glen "Wiley" Wilson" wrote in message ... On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:48:18 -0800, "Steve" wrote: FUGAWI, but you have to respect people who name their product after a bad joke. I appreciate all of your comments Wiley, but please expand on the above 'snipe'.. Steve s/v Good Intentions Steve - I see you already have the answer. I didn't mean that as a snipe; I truly like the attitude it shows. A slightly different version of the joke refers to the Fukarya tribe. :) Another poster recommended Maptech. I like it, but I doubt that anyone who has a beef with the resource requirements of CAPN will like Maptech much better. I was never satisfied with it till I upgraded to an 850 mhz cpu with 256MB. The official recommendation of "Pentium class cpu and 64MB" is absurd. Nice functionality though. It's what I run when I want to use the photos and topo maps from their chartkits. The configurability of Offshore Navigator is superb. The current version seems reliable enough, though I had a lot of trouble with older versions. You can use any charts you like, as long as MapTech made them. As for OziExplorer support, I doubt that you could find many people to complain about it. The author has an excellent record of fixing user problems and adding requested features. Also, there is an excellent Ozi mailist on Yahoo that generally turns around answers to questions in a few hours. I licensed the program in 1998 and I really haven't had any reliability problems since that first year. Also, even with all the new features that have been added, there has never been an upgrade fee. Which is not to say the program is perfect. The real problem with Ozi from my point of view is that it was originally built for hikers and off-roaders and has grown more by accretion than by design. The feature set and interface are not ideal from our point of view. Given the option, I'd try hard to wait and see how ENC support shakes out before choosing. I have the feeling that most of the vendors are trying to figure out how to make those free charts more expensive than the ones we have now. If I planned on going places where BSB chart coverage is spotty or insanely expensive (and I do), Ozi or Fugawi would be aboard regardless of what else I was using. __________________________________________________ __________ Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious. Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/ |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
What is it about the user interface of Capn that you don;t like? I've been
using it for years and can't think of any major complaints. Taking existing waypoints and incorporating them into a route used to be a problem but has been fixed in the latest release. I downloaded the Nobeltec demo several years ago and found it to be unreliable and quirky so I walked away from it. Same situation with Maptech. Haven't tried FUGAWI and OZI though. Doug s/v Callista "spdevel" wrote in message ... I've used them all: The Capn - really poor user interface. Bad feel. The only people who like it are the ones who've been using it for many years and don't know any better. Fugawi - very basic stuff. Not the best and certainly not the most reliable. OziExplorer - buy software from an American company or else support will be a nightmare. OziExplorer is very similar to Fugawi in my experiments. Again, not the most reliable. Nobeltec VNS, etc. - the best. Best features and user-interface. It is reliable. Also the most expensive. I don't think that their product justifies the $500 - $1,000 cost any longer. Maptech - good compromise between everything. Excellent support. Features are good enough for most uses. User interface is pretty good. It is reliable. Transas, Raymarine, and all the others - not ready for prime time. If you can afford it, Nobeltec is the way to do. For a more reasonably priced product with great features and excellent support, you would be very happy with the Maptech products. Safety is the most important thing. Don't forget that! |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
What is it about the user interface of Capn that you don;t like? I've been
using it for years and can't think of any major complaints. Taking existing waypoints and incorporating them into a route used to be a problem but has been fixed in the latest release. I downloaded the Nobeltec demo several years ago and found it to be unreliable and quirky so I walked away from it. Same situation with Maptech. Haven't tried FUGAWI and OZI though. Doug s/v Callista "spdevel" wrote in message ... I've used them all: The Capn - really poor user interface. Bad feel. The only people who like it are the ones who've been using it for many years and don't know any better. Fugawi - very basic stuff. Not the best and certainly not the most reliable. OziExplorer - buy software from an American company or else support will be a nightmare. OziExplorer is very similar to Fugawi in my experiments. Again, not the most reliable. Nobeltec VNS, etc. - the best. Best features and user-interface. It is reliable. Also the most expensive. I don't think that their product justifies the $500 - $1,000 cost any longer. Maptech - good compromise between everything. Excellent support. Features are good enough for most uses. User interface is pretty good. It is reliable. Transas, Raymarine, and all the others - not ready for prime time. If you can afford it, Nobeltec is the way to do. For a more reasonably priced product with great features and excellent support, you would be very happy with the Maptech products. Safety is the most important thing. Don't forget that! |
Fugawi 3.x.x V. The Crapn
I also like the Tides and Currents module of the Capn. Was invaluable
when in the ICW. The bottom graph was helpful too. Just wish that LCD screens suitable for mounting at the helm weren;t so expensive. We use a NAVMAN for that. They (NAVMAN) wouldn;t give me info on the exchange format though. I sent an email, they replied asking for clarification o what I was asking and then I never heard from them again. Would be nice to exchange waypoints and routes between the two units. Doug s/v Callista "Steve" wrote in message ... Thanks. That was the type of comparision I was looking for, although not what I wanted to hear. I believe that Nautical Technology (The Capn), Nobeltec and Maptech have an agenda to lock the navigator into a chart format. And of course they control the market on these formats. Not only do I have about five hundred buck invested in The Capn, but I have nearly a thousand invested in BSB and other raster formats that run on Capn and Maptech software.. Now I see each company introducing their new formats/type of digital charts.. The money is not in the navigation software, the money is in the charts. The race among the three leaders is to get the navigator locked into a format before he becomes aware of the ever increasing number of vector charts being released for free.. Although I have been locked into BSB and The Capn for about 4 years, I have only sailed two seasons with this software and chart format. I am content with the choice of chart format but I have lost confidence in Nautical Technology since there fail to provide comprehensive interface with external devices. (subject of previous posts here and in rec.boats.electronics).. For my present and future navigation requirements, I don't see any need for SoftCharts, Vector charts or enhanced video presentations with my charts. I just want my laptop screen to look like the paper charts that I have laying on the chart table. One of the feature of The Capn that I would miss with a Fugawi change over would be the Tides & Currents, however, I still will have their Tides and Currents available though the Graphic representation, I just won't be able to display this information on the chart. I guess I have ranted enough (for now). Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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