Armond Perretta wrote:

Glenn Ashmore wrote:

... Looks like we will have to make the run up the Old Bahama
Channel and hope we don't meet any Cuban gunboats.


I was unaware this had become a problem. Bush and Rumsfeld have
established that Osama is wintering in Havana, of course. This was
obvious once the CIA conclusively demonstrated that the Tropicana
chorus line are now appearing in bourkas.

I am more concerned about the CNB weapons that the Dubya tried to claim
Castro was building. Bet everyone forgot about that. Bush got caught
in a big lie and evidently didn't learn much when he came up with the
Iraq justification.

-
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Customs is by Phone immediately after you arrive at the dock in the
US... Immigration is in person withing 24 hours.



Doug Dotson wrote:

We checked back in via a cellphone. From what I understand
the whole process now has to be done in person.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...

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"stealth" wrote:


"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
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stealth wrote:


What exactly have our leaders changed regarding homeland security

going

offshore and back? Given the dog and pony show they are selling in

the name

of our safety, I can only imagine the lunacy that they have

implemented

against law abiding U. S. citizens that are boaters. As an airline

pilot and

avid aviator, I get to witness the idiocy you mention first hand! TSA

is

nothing more than smoke and mirrors for the duped public who falsely
believe otherwise.

Here is the latest word on Bahamas/South Florida clearing. First the
bahamian Government has softened a little. You can now exit and return
once in the first 90 days of the year long cruising permit. They have
also made it clearer that you are not to be charged overtime fees or

for

the dinghy either on deck or towed.

On the US side, you can still clear customs by phone if you have a
sticker but Immigration wants in person check in. Once you have tied

up

you have to take a $40 taxi ride to the airport or to Dodge Island.
While the crew is spending the day checking into the US, Osama can
unload the neuclear device and check into the Holliday Inn.




If I understand you correctly, customs never once visits the actual boat?

Well that's not quite correct. You can clear customs or at least
start the procedure by phone (although they do insist on a land line -
you can't or aren't supposed to be able to do it by cell phone
although I have managed to do so) whether or not you have a sticker.
If you don't have a sticker, you have to get one and then phone and
tell them the number to finish the clearing in process. (This is only
for boats over a certain length BTW)

But customs can, at their discretion, require you to wait at the dock
for them to actually visit the boat and do an inspection in person.
I'm pretty sure this is still the same. I heard that some ports of
entry were more likely to do an in person inspection than others.

I think it's pretty much the same in the Bahamas depending on the
port. In Bimini, Chub, West End, Morgan's Bluff and other small
places, one person gets off the boat and checks in with customs and
then with immigration. Actually I think at Morgan's Bluff you anchor
and they come out to you. Sometimes customs and immigration are the
same person and sometimes not. In Nassau or Lucaya, you tie up to the
dock and wait for them to get around to visiting your boat.


Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish as to who is dumber; those that
create these idiotic laws or the people who continually vote these idiots
into office and allow it to continue. TSA is a farce and nothing more

than a

police state affair that gives the uninformed a false warm and cozy

feeling

that they are safe from terrorist harm. It amazes me how many people I

meet

in my travels actually believe that the government/TSA is doing an
outstanding job of protecting us. Point in case, they strip search

airline

pilots in plain view of the passengers, take away their nail clippers,

and

then allow them to board the flight deck which contains a crash axe,

flares,

AND complete control of the aircraft. It would seem logical that rather

than

worrying about every pair of nail clippers that may or may not get on a
flight, safety would be better served if we concerned ourselves more with
"who" is on the flight rather than "what". If someone of middle eastern
origin balks at removing their turban for inspection due to religious
reasons, they are allowed to pass through security without fail due to

the

fact they we don't want to racial profile for fear of making anyone

angry.

Make note that all successful terrorist hijackers have been from those of
the middle east. Yet, TSA will demand that an elderly and frail

grandmother

in a wheel chair be searched with no exceptions if they so choose. In
addition, if a crew member refuses to remove their hat, they WILL be

fired,

and the TSA (not the FAA) now has full authority to revoke the airmen
certificates (license) of anyone that they (again, not the FAA) deems a
national security threat. This interpretation of who and why is at the

sole

discretion of the TSA. Currently, there is no check and balance of this
outrageous power, and as such, we are at the mercy of minimum wage high
school drop outs in determining who can board and who cannot. My point is
that we have the technology to determine with utmost certainty the

identity

of any one individual, yet we choose to allow ourselves to be scrutinized

by

a police state mentality in the name of safety. I realize I am getting

off

topic for which this group is intended, but I lurk in this group from

time

to time as it is my intention to buy a 35'-40' in the near future and

dock

it in the Miami area. And as a law abiding citizen, I would like to be

able

to retain the freedom to float my boat at will without constantly being
treated like a common criminal. As such, witnessing what the government

has

done in the name of safety to the aviation sector, both commercial and
private, the topic of new TSA rules boating to and from the Bahamas

peaked

my curiosity. Thanks for the reply.

s

grandma Rosalie

Customs is by Phone immediately after you arrive at the dock in the
US... Immigration is in person withing 24 hours.



Doug Dotson wrote:

We checked back in via a cellphone. From what I understand
the whole process now has to be done in person.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...

x-no-archive:yes


"stealth" wrote:


"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:lFgFb.9050$JD6.3215@lakeread04...


stealth wrote:


What exactly have our leaders changed regarding homeland security

going

offshore and back? Given the dog and pony show they are selling in

the name

of our safety, I can only imagine the lunacy that they have

implemented

against law abiding U. S. citizens that are boaters. As an airline

pilot and

avid aviator, I get to witness the idiocy you mention first hand! TSA

is

nothing more than smoke and mirrors for the duped public who falsely
believe otherwise.

Here is the latest word on Bahamas/South Florida clearing. First the
bahamian Government has softened a little. You can now exit and return
once in the first 90 days of the year long cruising permit. They have
also made it clearer that you are not to be charged overtime fees or

for

the dinghy either on deck or towed.

On the US side, you can still clear customs by phone if you have a
sticker but Immigration wants in person check in. Once you have tied

up

you have to take a $40 taxi ride to the airport or to Dodge Island.
While the crew is spending the day checking into the US, Osama can
unload the neuclear device and check into the Holliday Inn.




If I understand you correctly, customs never once visits the actual boat?

Well that's not quite correct. You can clear customs or at least
start the procedure by phone (although they do insist on a land line -
you can't or aren't supposed to be able to do it by cell phone
although I have managed to do so) whether or not you have a sticker.
If you don't have a sticker, you have to get one and then phone and
tell them the number to finish the clearing in process. (This is only
for boats over a certain length BTW)

But customs can, at their discretion, require you to wait at the dock
for them to actually visit the boat and do an inspection in person.
I'm pretty sure this is still the same. I heard that some ports of
entry were more likely to do an in person inspection than others.

I think it's pretty much the same in the Bahamas depending on the
port. In Bimini, Chub, West End, Morgan's Bluff and other small
places, one person gets off the boat and checks in with customs and
then with immigration. Actually I think at Morgan's Bluff you anchor
and they come out to you. Sometimes customs and immigration are the
same person and sometimes not. In Nassau or Lucaya, you tie up to the
dock and wait for them to get around to visiting your boat.


Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish as to who is dumber; those that
create these idiotic laws or the people who continually vote these idiots
into office and allow it to continue. TSA is a farce and nothing more

than a

police state affair that gives the uninformed a false warm and cozy

feeling

that they are safe from terrorist harm. It amazes me how many people I

meet

in my travels actually believe that the government/TSA is doing an
outstanding job of protecting us. Point in case, they strip search

airline

pilots in plain view of the passengers, take away their nail clippers,

and

then allow them to board the flight deck which contains a crash axe,

flares,

AND complete control of the aircraft. It would seem logical that rather

than

worrying about every pair of nail clippers that may or may not get on a
flight, safety would be better served if we concerned ourselves more with
"who" is on the flight rather than "what". If someone of middle eastern
origin balks at removing their turban for inspection due to religious
reasons, they are allowed to pass through security without fail due to

the

fact they we don't want to racial profile for fear of making anyone

angry.

Make note that all successful terrorist hijackers have been from those of
the middle east. Yet, TSA will demand that an elderly and frail

grandmother

in a wheel chair be searched with no exceptions if they so choose. In
addition, if a crew member refuses to remove their hat, they WILL be

fired,

and the TSA (not the FAA) now has full authority to revoke the airmen
certificates (license) of anyone that they (again, not the FAA) deems a
national security threat. This interpretation of who and why is at the

sole

discretion of the TSA. Currently, there is no check and balance of this
outrageous power, and as such, we are at the mercy of minimum wage high
school drop outs in determining who can board and who cannot. My point is
that we have the technology to determine with utmost certainty the

identity

of any one individual, yet we choose to allow ourselves to be scrutinized

by

a police state mentality in the name of safety. I realize I am getting

off

topic for which this group is intended, but I lurk in this group from

time

to time as it is my intention to buy a 35'-40' in the near future and

dock

it in the Miami area. And as a law abiding citizen, I would like to be

able

to retain the freedom to float my boat at will without constantly being
treated like a common criminal. As such, witnessing what the government

has

done in the name of safety to the aviation sector, both commercial and
private, the topic of new TSA rules boating to and from the Bahamas

peaked

my curiosity. Thanks for the reply.

s

grandma Rosalie

GOOD point. $ or the lack of it talks.

.......so they don't get ours.
Hi--- Fediel Listen up.

GOOD point. $ or the lack of it talks.

.......so they don't get ours.
Hi--- Fediel Listen up.

Agree That the immigration check in does nothing for security.
As a practical note, if you enter at Lake Worth inlet you can anchor
out, dingy in to Riviera Beach marina, and walk about a block to the
Immigration office at the cruise ship terminal at the Port of Palm Beach.

Ed wrote:

Customs is by Phone immediately after you arrive at the dock in the
US... Immigration is in person withing 24 hours.



Doug Dotson wrote:

We checked back in via a cellphone. From what I understand
the whole process now has to be done in person.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...

x-no-archive:yes


"stealth" wrote:


"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:lFgFb.9050$JD6.3215@lakeread04...


stealth wrote:


What exactly have our leaders changed regarding homeland security


going

offshore and back? Given the dog and pony show they are selling in


the name

of our safety, I can only imagine the lunacy that they have


implemented

against law abiding U. S. citizens that are boaters. As an airline


pilot and

avid aviator, I get to witness the idiocy you mention first hand!
TSA


is

nothing more than smoke and mirrors for the duped public who falsely
believe otherwise.


Here is the latest word on Bahamas/South Florida clearing. First the
bahamian Government has softened a little. You can now exit and
return
once in the first 90 days of the year long cruising permit. They
have
also made it clearer that you are not to be charged overtime fees or


for

the dinghy either on deck or towed.

On the US side, you can still clear customs by phone if you have a
sticker but Immigration wants in person check in. Once you have tied


up

you have to take a $40 taxi ride to the airport or to Dodge Island.
While the crew is spending the day checking into the US, Osama can
unload the neuclear device and check into the Holliday Inn.





If I understand you correctly, customs never once visits the actual
boat?


Well that's not quite correct. You can clear customs or at least
start the procedure by phone (although they do insist on a land line -
you can't or aren't supposed to be able to do it by cell phone
although I have managed to do so) whether or not you have a sticker.
If you don't have a sticker, you have to get one and then phone and
tell them the number to finish the clearing in process. (This is only
for boats over a certain length BTW)

But customs can, at their discretion, require you to wait at the dock
for them to actually visit the boat and do an inspection in person.
I'm pretty sure this is still the same. I heard that some ports of
entry were more likely to do an in person inspection than others.

I think it's pretty much the same in the Bahamas depending on the
port. In Bimini, Chub, West End, Morgan's Bluff and other small
places, one person gets off the boat and checks in with customs and
then with immigration. Actually I think at Morgan's Bluff you anchor
and they come out to you. Sometimes customs and immigration are the
same person and sometimes not. In Nassau or Lucaya, you tie up to the
dock and wait for them to get around to visiting your boat.


Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish as to who is dumber; those
that
create these idiotic laws or the people who continually vote these
idiots
into office and allow it to continue. TSA is a farce and nothing more


than a

police state affair that gives the uninformed a false warm and cozy


feeling

that they are safe from terrorist harm. It amazes me how many people I


meet

in my travels actually believe that the government/TSA is doing an
outstanding job of protecting us. Point in case, they strip search


airline

pilots in plain view of the passengers, take away their nail clippers,


and

then allow them to board the flight deck which contains a crash axe,


flares,

AND complete control of the aircraft. It would seem logical that
rather


than

worrying about every pair of nail clippers that may or may not get
on a
flight, safety would be better served if we concerned ourselves
more with
"who" is on the flight rather than "what". If someone of middle
eastern
origin balks at removing their turban for inspection due to religious
reasons, they are allowed to pass through security without fail due to


the

fact they we don't want to racial profile for fear of making anyone


angry.

Make note that all successful terrorist hijackers have been from
those of
the middle east. Yet, TSA will demand that an elderly and frail


grandmother

in a wheel chair be searched with no exceptions if they so choose. In
addition, if a crew member refuses to remove their hat, they WILL be


fired,

and the TSA (not the FAA) now has full authority to revoke the airmen
certificates (license) of anyone that they (again, not the FAA)
deems a
national security threat. This interpretation of who and why is at the


sole

discretion of the TSA. Currently, there is no check and balance of
this
outrageous power, and as such, we are at the mercy of minimum wage
high
school drop outs in determining who can board and who cannot. My
point is
that we have the technology to determine with utmost certainty the


identity

of any one individual, yet we choose to allow ourselves to be
scrutinized


by

a police state mentality in the name of safety. I realize I am getting


off

topic for which this group is intended, but I lurk in this group from


time

to time as it is my intention to buy a 35'-40' in the near future and


dock

it in the Miami area. And as a law abiding citizen, I would like to be


able

to retain the freedom to float my boat at will without constantly
being
treated like a common criminal. As such, witnessing what the
government


has

done in the name of safety to the aviation sector, both commercial and
private, the topic of new TSA rules boating to and from the Bahamas


peaked

my curiosity. Thanks for the reply.

s


grandma Rosalie

Agree That the immigration check in does nothing for security.
As a practical note, if you enter at Lake Worth inlet you can anchor
out, dingy in to Riviera Beach marina, and walk about a block to the
Immigration office at the cruise ship terminal at the Port of Palm Beach.

Ed wrote:

Customs is by Phone immediately after you arrive at the dock in the
US... Immigration is in person withing 24 hours.



Doug Dotson wrote:

We checked back in via a cellphone. From what I understand
the whole process now has to be done in person.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...

x-no-archive:yes


"stealth" wrote:


"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:lFgFb.9050$JD6.3215@lakeread04...


stealth wrote:


What exactly have our leaders changed regarding homeland security


going

offshore and back? Given the dog and pony show they are selling in


the name

of our safety, I can only imagine the lunacy that they have


implemented

against law abiding U. S. citizens that are boaters. As an airline


pilot and

avid aviator, I get to witness the idiocy you mention first hand!
TSA


is

nothing more than smoke and mirrors for the duped public who falsely
believe otherwise.


Here is the latest word on Bahamas/South Florida clearing. First the
bahamian Government has softened a little. You can now exit and
return
once in the first 90 days of the year long cruising permit. They
have
also made it clearer that you are not to be charged overtime fees or


for

the dinghy either on deck or towed.

On the US side, you can still clear customs by phone if you have a
sticker but Immigration wants in person check in. Once you have tied


up

you have to take a $40 taxi ride to the airport or to Dodge Island.
While the crew is spending the day checking into the US, Osama can
unload the neuclear device and check into the Holliday Inn.





If I understand you correctly, customs never once visits the actual
boat?


Well that's not quite correct. You can clear customs or at least
start the procedure by phone (although they do insist on a land line -
you can't or aren't supposed to be able to do it by cell phone
although I have managed to do so) whether or not you have a sticker.
If you don't have a sticker, you have to get one and then phone and
tell them the number to finish the clearing in process. (This is only
for boats over a certain length BTW)

But customs can, at their discretion, require you to wait at the dock
for them to actually visit the boat and do an inspection in person.
I'm pretty sure this is still the same. I heard that some ports of
entry were more likely to do an in person inspection than others.

I think it's pretty much the same in the Bahamas depending on the
port. In Bimini, Chub, West End, Morgan's Bluff and other small
places, one person gets off the boat and checks in with customs and
then with immigration. Actually I think at Morgan's Bluff you anchor
and they come out to you. Sometimes customs and immigration are the
same person and sometimes not. In Nassau or Lucaya, you tie up to the
dock and wait for them to get around to visiting your boat.


Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish as to who is dumber; those
that
create these idiotic laws or the people who continually vote these
idiots
into office and allow it to continue. TSA is a farce and nothing more


than a

police state affair that gives the uninformed a false warm and cozy


feeling

that they are safe from terrorist harm. It amazes me how many people I


meet

in my travels actually believe that the government/TSA is doing an
outstanding job of protecting us. Point in case, they strip search


airline

pilots in plain view of the passengers, take away their nail clippers,


and

then allow them to board the flight deck which contains a crash axe,


flares,

AND complete control of the aircraft. It would seem logical that
rather


than

worrying about every pair of nail clippers that may or may not get
on a
flight, safety would be better served if we concerned ourselves
more with
"who" is on the flight rather than "what". If someone of middle
eastern
origin balks at removing their turban for inspection due to religious
reasons, they are allowed to pass through security without fail due to


the

fact they we don't want to racial profile for fear of making anyone


angry.

Make note that all successful terrorist hijackers have been from
those of
the middle east. Yet, TSA will demand that an elderly and frail


grandmother

in a wheel chair be searched with no exceptions if they so choose. In
addition, if a crew member refuses to remove their hat, they WILL be


fired,

and the TSA (not the FAA) now has full authority to revoke the airmen
certificates (license) of anyone that they (again, not the FAA)
deems a
national security threat. This interpretation of who and why is at the


sole

discretion of the TSA. Currently, there is no check and balance of
this
outrageous power, and as such, we are at the mercy of minimum wage
high
school drop outs in determining who can board and who cannot. My
point is
that we have the technology to determine with utmost certainty the


identity

of any one individual, yet we choose to allow ourselves to be
scrutinized


by

a police state mentality in the name of safety. I realize I am getting


off

topic for which this group is intended, but I lurk in this group from


time

to time as it is my intention to buy a 35'-40' in the near future and


dock

it in the Miami area. And as a law abiding citizen, I would like to be


able

to retain the freedom to float my boat at will without constantly
being
treated like a common criminal. As such, witnessing what the
government


has

done in the name of safety to the aviation sector, both commercial and
private, the topic of new TSA rules boating to and from the Bahamas


peaked

my curiosity. Thanks for the reply.

s


grandma Rosalie

Subject: Cruising Bahamas
From: Rosalie B.

I suspect no phones work there now.

Cingular(sp) worked as of 2 weeks ago.
My AT&T phone only worked when we got to the Turks & Caicos. And then the
Cingular stopped working.

Capt. Bill

Subject: Cruising Bahamas
From: Rosalie B.

I suspect no phones work there now.

Cingular(sp) worked as of 2 weeks ago.
My AT&T phone only worked when we got to the Turks & Caicos. And then the
Cingular stopped working.

Capt. Bill

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(LaBomba182) wrote:

Subject: Cruising Bahamas
From: Rosalie B.

I suspect no phones work there now.

Cingular(sp) worked as of 2 weeks ago.

That's good to know.

My AT&T phone only worked when we got to the Turks & Caicos. And then the
Cingular stopped working.

I have no experience with Cingular. AT&T definitely won't work there.
THey have no agreement with Batelco and haven't had one AFAIK.

My Verizon analog phone worked 2 years ago, but they say it won't work
now. I haven't tried it. Verizon used to have an agreement with
Batelco.

A friend was told her Sprint phone would work (a couple of years ago -
not recently) and it did not, or she couldn't persuade it to. There's
no way that I know of to check except try it and see.


grandma Rosalie