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Crew of 13? One watch officer, one on the wheel, and one lookout times
three shifts. Plus a cook, the skipper, and the chief engineer. Twelve
right there. The seven masted schooner Thomas Lawson, had steam
winches to work the sails, and a crew of 18, and I believe Lakers
mostly have a crew of 29.

The engine room crew work a standard 8 hour day with annunciators in
the engineer's quarters. Direct engine control from the bridge. At
night, two people on watch., maximum. The "autopilot and the chart
plotter" steer the boat and the O.O.D. writes up reports and MAYBE
there is a man on watch. Say, Captain, two watch keepers X three
shifts, Cook, Two deck hands and a three man engineering crew......


Where you folks get your versions of ship's crew is beyond me.
No such thing as an OOD on Merchant ships. Engineers have alarms in rooms
for duty engineer during night. Auto pilot normally steering but only few
have GPS and waypoints inputed to make course changes. Master does not
spend his day on bridge.



Maresk has the reputation of under stating the capacity of their ships
and outside estimates of capacity are in the range of 14,000 TEU's
giving a possible cargo capacity of 245,000 tons.

Go to www.pancanal.com to watch ships go through the locks in the
Panama Canal. Mostly boxboats.

The world's freight travels by container. Try and get old fashioned
"deck cargo" any more. We were trying to ship a 28 ft. sloop back to
the west coast and "luckily" there was a conventional cargo boat that
ran back and forth between two ports on the east coast and Phuket,
Thailand carrying raw rubber. Otherwise the boat would have to have
been shipped on a container carrier and billed at the cost of the
number of containers displaced by the boat. Plus the cradle would have
to have standard container hold downs and lifting eyes.

It ended up as a "no sale" as we couldn't get it back to the U.S. at a
cost much less then the selling price.

Plenty of "breakbulk" still running.... alternate method to ship yachts
is on an "carcarrier"

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:05:01 -0000, otnmbrd
wrote:

wrote in news:qaupc3h03p9djjkjr2fidcn3tmfhs02em2@
4ax.com:



Crew of 13? One watch officer, one on the wheel, and one lookout times
three shifts. Plus a cook, the skipper, and the chief engineer. Twelve
right there. The seven masted schooner Thomas Lawson, had steam
winches to work the sails, and a crew of 18, and I believe Lakers
mostly have a crew of 29.

The engine room crew work a standard 8 hour day with annunciators in
the engineer's quarters. Direct engine control from the bridge. At
night, two people on watch., maximum. The "autopilot and the chart
plotter" steer the boat and the O.O.D. writes up reports and MAYBE
there is a man on watch. Say, Captain, two watch keepers X three
shifts, Cook, Two deck hands and a three man engineering crew......


Where you folks get your versions of ship's crew is beyond me.
No such thing as an OOD on Merchant ships. Engineers have alarms in rooms
for duty engineer during night. Auto pilot normally steering but only few
have GPS and waypoints inputed to make course changes. Master does not
spend his day on bridge.

Basically you are repeating what I said - explaining how/why the
Maresk boat operated with a crew of 13 people. Annunciators in the
engineers quarters, autopilot steering. I did use the term "chart
plotter" but you will, note the inverted commas" I have no idea how
the bridge crew refer to their electronic navigation system but I'm
certainly not naive enough to think that these ships are navigated by
sextant.


Maresk has the reputation of under stating the capacity of their ships
and outside estimates of capacity are in the range of 14,000 TEU's
giving a possible cargo capacity of 245,000 tons.

Go to www.pancanal.com to watch ships go through the locks in the
Panama Canal. Mostly boxboats.

The world's freight travels by container. Try and get old fashioned
"deck cargo" any more. We were trying to ship a 28 ft. sloop back to
the west coast and "luckily" there was a conventional cargo boat that
ran back and forth between two ports on the east coast and Phuket,
Thailand carrying raw rubber. Otherwise the boat would have to have
been shipped on a container carrier and billed at the cost of the
number of containers displaced by the boat. Plus the cradle would have
to have standard container hold downs and lifting eyes.

It ended up as a "no sale" as we couldn't get it back to the U.S. at a
cost much less then the selling price.

Plenty of "breakbulk" still running.... alternate method to ship yachts
is on an "carcarrier"


Sure, and how many car carriers do you think are running between South
Thailand and the West Coast of the US? The ones that run from around
Bangkok are all under contract to Toyota or one of the other Japanese
companies and they won't talk to you. Their schedules are coordinated
with the factory and the sales forces and they have spare room.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:05:01 -0000, otnmbrd
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Much snipped
cost much less then the selling price.

Plenty of "breakbulk" still running.... alternate method to ship yachts
is on an "carcarrier"


Sure, and how many car carriers do you think are running between South
Thailand and the West Coast of the US? The ones that run from around
Bangkok are all under contract to Toyota or one of the other Japanese
companies and they won't talk to you. Their schedules are coordinated
with the factory and the sales forces and they have spare room.
The line should have read
with the factory and the sales forces and they have no spare room.
Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:05:01 -0000, otnmbrd
wrote:

wrote in news:qaupc3h03p9djjkjr2fidcn3tmfhs02em2@
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Where you folks get your versions of ship's crew is beyond me.

In my case, pure guesswork. I can see getting by without the lookout
and/or the helmsman. The Captain is stuck with all the paperwork.
And that has to be damn near full time? Or is it? Could be a lot less
of that than there used to be, if it is now mostly done on shore.

So, you got in your sneer, now tell us the true facts.

Plenty of "breakbulk" still running...

You see them on the webcam at the canal.

Casady

Some ships are using one man bridge watches but generally you'll find a
Mate and one helmsman/lookout...average crew size is 21 and decreasing,
with lowest I've seen being certified for six.
Paperwork has become the biggest problem for all...depending on the ship
the Mate may be or may not be allowed to do paperwork on the
bridge.....too much of the paperework is just to justify the existence of
the various regulators and company pencil pushers who are too lazy to dig
through to find the info on their own BEG.
As for getting a yacht from Bangkok to West Coast US..... hardest part
would be getting it to Japan or Korea for a carcarrier. Point being that
there are alternate methods to container ships, but as was stated end
result may not justify expense


(Richard Casady) wrote in
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:05:01 -0000, otnmbrd
wrote:

wrote in news:qaupc3h03p9djjkjr2fidcn3tmfhs02em2@
4ax.com:


Where you folks get your versions of ship's crew is beyond me.

In my case, pure guesswork. I can see getting by without the lookout
and/or the helmsman. The Captain is stuck with all the paperwork.
And that has to be damn near full time? Or is it? Could be a lot less
of that than there used to be, if it is now mostly done on shore.

So, you got in your sneer, now tell us the true facts.

Plenty of "breakbulk" still running...

You see them on the webcam at the canal.

Casady

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:40:14 -0000, otnmbrd
wrote:


Some ships are using one man bridge watches but generally you'll find a
Mate and one helmsman/lookout...average crew size is 21 and decreasing,
with lowest I've seen being certified for six.
Paperwork has become the biggest problem for all...depending on the ship
the Mate may be or may not be allowed to do paperwork on the
bridge.....too much of the paperework is just to justify the existence of
the various regulators and company pencil pushers who are too lazy to dig
through to find the info on their own BEG.
As for getting a yacht from Bangkok to West Coast US..... hardest part
would be getting it to Japan or Korea for a carcarrier. Point being that
there are alternate methods to container ships, but as was stated end
result may not justify expense

The "hardest part" was getting the damned boat to America at a price
less then the sales price. We could have shipped it many ways - sail
to Singapore and put it on a container boat there; barge it somewhere.
The problem was that everything we looked into, and we did have
professional freight people working on the problem, cost too much
money. The owner even looked into sailing it back.

The problem got solved when another bloke came along and offered to
buy it. The owner e-mailed the U.S. bidder and told him what the costs
were and he withdrew his offer immediately. Which left the door open
to selling it locally.

(Richard Casady) wrote in
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:05:01 -0000, otnmbrd
wrote:

wrote in news:qaupc3h03p9djjkjr2fidcn3tmfhs02em2@
4ax.com:


Where you folks get your versions of ship's crew is beyond me.

In my case, pure guesswork. I can see getting by without the lookout
and/or the helmsman. The Captain is stuck with all the paperwork.
And that has to be damn near full time? Or is it? Could be a lot less
of that than there used to be, if it is now mostly done on shore.

So, you got in your sneer, now tell us the true facts.

Plenty of "breakbulk" still running...

You see them on the webcam at the canal.

Casady

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)