On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:53:38 +0000, Larry wrote:

Peggie Hall wrote in news:RDNvi.13735$eY.8649
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And your point ia?


Praying to who(m)? Noone can hear you.

Quite possibly to one's self.

It could be that quiet, non-ritualised prayer is a form of
communicating with one's inner self, a form of meditation.

BTW, this is on topic. Ever noticed how some people, especially
novices start to move their lips in prayer when in what they think is
a threatening situation on a boat?

Peter

Herodotus wrote in
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Ever noticed how some people, especially
novices start to move their lips in prayer when in what they think is
a threatening situation on a boat?



Yes. I think the reaction is inbred as we are washed over in religious
education from birth, even in families with no religion, by media, on the
street, in the schools, in contact with other humans. Brainwashed from
Birth is a powerful imprint.

My parrots think I'm God. I've been brainwashing them with it for over 20
years....(c;

EVERYONE has just GOT to be on a GUILT TRIP! This is ALL YOUR FAULT AND
YOU NEED TO BE PUNISHED!!

Larry wrote:

Herodotus wrote in
:


Ever noticed how some people, especially
novices start to move their lips in prayer when in what they think is
a threatening situation on a boat?




Yes. I think the reaction is inbred as we are washed over in religious
education from birth, even in families with no religion, by media, on the
street, in the schools, in contact with other humans. Brainwashed from
Birth is a powerful imprint.

My parrots think I'm God. I've been brainwashing them with it for over 20
years....(c;

EVERYONE has just GOT to be on a GUILT TRIP! This is ALL YOUR FAULT AND
YOU NEED TO BE PUNISHED!!



Sorry, Larry, Wrong religion for me.

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:12:13 +0000, Larry wrote:

Herodotus wrote in
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Ever noticed how some people, especially
novices start to move their lips in prayer when in what they think is
a threatening situation on a boat?



Yes. I think the reaction is inbred as we are washed over in religious
education from birth, even in families with no religion, by media, on the
street, in the schools, in contact with other humans. Brainwashed from
Birth is a powerful imprint.

My parrots think I'm God. I've been brainwashing them with it for over 20
years....(c;

EVERYONE has just GOT to be on a GUILT TRIP! This is ALL YOUR FAULT AND
YOU NEED TO BE PUNISHED!!

Come on Larry. Not all religions are like that. Neither Zen nor
Islamic Sufism is based on reward in the afterlife.

Also, ever heard of Baccanalia? It was quite big in the later days of
the Roman Empire. Also what about the ancient Babylonians? Before she
could get married, every girl had to sit in the temple precinct and
take any comer who threw money in her lap. Hindu temples had their
sacred prostitutes also. No guilt trip there. I would think it quite
the opposite. Can you imagine the number of people who would be
regular church goers in the US if this form of worship to the God was
instituted in say, the Episcopalean church. They'd have to add
cubicles like confession boxes through. I'll bet you would soon get
religion then.

Besides, as Huxley wrote: "A firm conviction of the material reality
of Hell never prevented medieval Christians from doing what their
ambition, lust or covetousness suggested."

Just a thought.

Peter (Sybarite)

Herodotus wrote in
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reward in the afterlife

I'm sorta partial to the multiple virgins reward, but can't stand the
rest of religion....any religion.







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I'm sorta partial to the multiple virgins reward, but can't stand the
rest of religion....

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Could leave a spirit cold at night...

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"Larry" wrote in message
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Herodotus wrote in
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reward in the afterlife

I'm sorta partial to the multiple virgins reward, but can't stand the
rest of religion....any religion.




So the question is, whatever did those poor virgins do to deserve such
punishment?

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:52:14 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:


"Larry" wrote in message
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Herodotus wrote in
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reward in the afterlife

I'm sorta partial to the multiple virgins reward, but can't stand the
rest of religion....any religion.




So the question is, whatever did those poor virgins do to deserve such
punishment?

I imagine that it was part of the accepted ritual of coming of age in
Babylonian society. It is mentioned in the literature that ugly ones
could sit there quite a while and that some fathers arranged for an
acceptable man to be ready as soon as their daughter sat down to do
her temple service to the god.

It must have been rather horrible to have some grubby smelly old man
throw a coin in your lap though. Can't have been much different from
the signorial rights of medieval squires and lords - first night with
the bride on her wedding night.

Ahh! those were the good old days when women were chattels and knew
their place and real men (like friend Wilbur) made all the
decisons...... sigh. Now men such as I have been reduced to seeking
their wife's advice on all sorts of things.

BTW the Babylonian temple worship catered for all tastes. They had
young boys as well. It is notable that the original name for the
Judaic-Christian-Moslem single god was El-Shaddah (later shortened to
'El') who was represented by a huge upright stone phallus

Getting off topic here.

Peter

"Herodotus" wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:52:14 -0500, "KLC Lewis"

So the question is, whatever did those poor virgins do to deserve such
punishment?

I imagine that it was part of the accepted ritual of coming of age in
Babylonian society. It is mentioned in the literature that ugly ones
could sit there quite a while and that some fathers arranged for an
acceptable man to be ready as soon as their daughter sat down to do
her temple service to the god.

It must have been rather horrible to have some grubby smelly old man
throw a coin in your lap though. Can't have been much different from
the signorial rights of medieval squires and lords - first night with
the bride on her wedding night.

Ahh! those were the good old days when women were chattels and knew
their place and real men (like friend Wilbur) made all the
decisons...... sigh. Now men such as I have been reduced to seeking
their wife's advice on all sorts of things.

BTW the Babylonian temple worship catered for all tastes. They had
young boys as well. It is notable that the original name for the
Judaic-Christian-Moslem single god was El-Shaddah (later shortened to
'El') who was represented by a huge upright stone phallus

Getting off topic here.

Peter

Ya, but I was referring to the poor "72 Virgins" doled-out to males who
arrive in Paradise.

On 2007-08-13 20:11:23 -0400, Herodotus said:

BTW, this is on topic. Ever noticed how some people, especially novices
start to move their lips in prayer when in what they think is a
threatening situation on a boat?

No. All mine think the "interesting" times are part of the ride. '-)

Had a newbie out a couple of months ago that was rooting for 40-degree
heel as I blew all sorts of short tacks trying to work around her.

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