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On Aug 16, 7:00 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
....
OK, let's get this right. Red over red is NUC. That means Not Under
Command. It also has nothing to do with no lookout or no captain. Not
under command has everything to do with an exceptional circumstance
whereby a vessel is unable to maneuver according to the rules.
Exceptional circumstance is usually meant as a mechanical or operational
breakdown or defect that renders a vessel unable to comply.
....
Wilbur Hubbard

That's perfectly correct. And I meant to type red over red but my
dyslexia is showing again.

-- Tom.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Bob" wrote in message
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Come on. Somebody here has to know what to do when your making way
and
dont have a lookout. The answer is listed in the ColRegs. SInce there
are so many experts here I though it would be a slam dunk.

making way + no lookout = "a vessel _____ ______ __________."

Bob



It would be red over red (day, two balls in a vertical position), and
you would see red on green on the port and starboard and a white
stern.


As usual, Ganz is wrong. Wrong with respect to the last part of his
sentence that is. When the fool says "you would see red on green on the
port and starboard and a white stern."

Wrong, wrong, wrong! Lights for NUC, RAM, CBD, etc are lights "in
addition to" the normal running lights. They are "all around lights" and
can be seen in addition to the normal running lights from any angle a
vessel is viewed.

For somebody who claims to have a Captain's license, Ganz sure is
ignorant.

Wilbur Hubbard

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You may wish to read that section of the Rules again, Willy


"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:46c4897c
:



As usual, Ganz is wrong. Wrong with respect to the last part of his
sentence that is. When the fool says "you would see red on green on the
port and starboard and a white stern."

Wrong, wrong, wrong! Lights for NUC, RAM, CBD, etc are lights "in
addition to" the normal running lights. They are "all around lights"
and
can be seen in addition to the normal running lights from any angle a
vessel is viewed.

For somebody who claims to have a Captain's license, Ganz sure is
ignorant.

Wilbur Hubbard

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....
That sounds more like red/green color blindness than it does dyslexia.

Don't know about that, but oddly enough I passed both the color test
and the rules test when I took my license and I even think I know the
ditty... Somewhere between my brain and my fingers something horrible
happened. I don't understand it, but I do apologize for it.

-- Tom.

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"otnmbrd" wrote in message
.70...


You may wish to read that section of the Rules again, Willy



I don't need to read it. I have eidetic memory. You may have read what I
wrote wrong.

From memory, this is what the the rules in question say:

Rule 21 - (in part) An all around light covers 360 degrees.

Rule 27 - A vessel Not Under Command shall display:
(a) two all around round red lights in a vertical line where they can
best be seen,
(b) two black balls or similar shapes in a vertical line where they can
best be seen and (c) when making way through the water, in addition to
the lights prescribed in this paragraph, sidelights and a sternlight.

Don't even try to challenge me on my Rules verbiage know-how. You can't
win.

Wilbur Hubbard





"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
news:46c4897c
:



As usual, Ganz is wrong. Wrong with respect to the last part of his
sentence that is. When the fool says "you would see red on green on
the
port and starboard and a white stern."

Wrong, wrong, wrong! Lights for NUC, RAM, CBD, etc are lights "in
addition to" the normal running lights. They are "all around lights"
and
can be seen in addition to the normal running lights from any angle a
vessel is viewed.

For somebody who claims to have a Captain's license, Ganz sure is
ignorant.

Wilbur Hubbard

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"otnmbrd" wrote in message
.70...


You may wish to read that section of the Rules again, Willy


"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:46c4897c
:



As usual, Ganz is wrong. Wrong with respect to the last part of his
sentence that is. When the fool says "you would see red on green on the
port and starboard and a white stern."

Wrong, wrong, wrong! Lights for NUC, RAM, CBD, etc are lights "in
addition to" the normal running lights. They are "all around lights"
and
can be seen in addition to the normal running lights from any angle a
vessel is viewed.

For somebody who claims to have a Captain's license, Ganz sure is
ignorant.

Wilbur Hubbard





I should have written red on the port *and* green on the starboard, etc.,
when underway. But, any idiot (with the exception of Neal, apparently) knows
that those are the lights you would see if a vessel is underway (red and
green - port and starboard). Red over Red is NUC, which are also displayed.
Never said anything about all around lights, but that was a given.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"otnmbrd" wrote in message
.70...


You may wish to read that section of the Rules again, Willy


"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
news:46c4897c
:



As usual, Ganz is wrong. Wrong with respect to the last part of his
sentence that is. When the fool says "you would see red on green on
the
port and starboard and a white stern."

Wrong, wrong, wrong! Lights for NUC, RAM, CBD, etc are lights "in
addition to" the normal running lights. They are "all around lights"
and
can be seen in addition to the normal running lights from any angle
a
vessel is viewed.

For somebody who claims to have a Captain's license, Ganz sure is
ignorant.

Wilbur Hubbard





I should have written red on the port *and* green on the starboard,
etc., when underway. But, any idiot (with the exception of Neal,
apparently) knows that those are the lights you would see if a vessel
is underway (red and green - port and starboard). Red over Red is NUC,
which are also displayed. Never said anything about all around lights,
but that was a given.

Good wiggle, but that just ain't gonna get it. You need a refresher
course already it seems.

You said, "you would see red on green on the port and starboard and a
white stern."
I'll accept your admission of fault with respect to red on red on the
port and red on green on the starboard but even with that admission of
fault you are still wrong.

You should have said, "from some angles of view one would see from the
starboard side red over red over green and on the port side red over red
over red when the vessel was underway. But you didn't, so you were
wrong. Why don't you admit it like a man. Oh, that's so naive of me.
You're anything but a man.

(Oh, and from the stern, you should see red over red over white.
Remember, the red over red NUC lights are specified as all around lights
displayed where they can best be seen. If they cannot be seen from the
stern then they are not being displayed where they can best be seen. An
all around light needs to be able to be seen through 360 degrees or
what's the use of it being called an all around light?)

Wilbur Hubbard

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You stated the lights for NUC would be in addition to the "normal"
running lights..... correct?
The normal running lights for a powerdriven vessel would also include
masthead and possibly, range, which would not be shown with NUC no matter
making or not making way.
Your mistake is including NUC with RAM and CBD in this example.




"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:46c49421
:


"otnmbrd" wrote in message
.70...


You may wish to read that section of the Rules again, Willy



I don't need to read it. I have eidetic memory. You may have read what
I
wrote wrong.

From memory, this is what the the rules in question say:

Rule 21 - (in part) An all around light covers 360 degrees.

Rule 27 - A vessel Not Under Command shall display:
(a) two all around round red lights in a vertical line where they can
best be seen,
(b) two black balls or similar shapes in a vertical line where they can
best be seen and (c) when making way through the water, in addition to
the lights prescribed in this paragraph, sidelights and a sternlight.

Don't even try to challenge me on my Rules verbiage know-how. You can't
win.

Wilbur Hubbard





"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
news:46c4897c
:



As usual, Ganz is wrong. Wrong with respect to the last part of his
sentence that is. When the fool says "you would see red on green on
the
port and starboard and a white stern."

Wrong, wrong, wrong! Lights for NUC, RAM, CBD, etc are lights "in
addition to" the normal running lights. They are "all around lights"
and
can be seen in addition to the normal running lights from any angle a
vessel is viewed.

For somebody who claims to have a Captain's license, Ganz sure is
ignorant.

Wilbur Hubbard

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"otnmbrd" wrote in message
.70...

You stated the lights for NUC would be in addition to the "normal"
running lights..... correct?
The normal running lights for a powerdriven vessel would also include
masthead and possibly, range, which would not be shown with NUC no matter
making or not making way.
Your mistake is including NUC with RAM and CBD in this example.



Maybe Neal was confused because he was watching a Three Stooges movie while
typing.

--
"j" ganz @@
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
:

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
.70...

You stated the lights for NUC would be in addition to the "normal"
running lights..... correct?
The normal running lights for a powerdriven vessel would also include
masthead and possibly, range, which would not be shown with NUC no
matter making or not making way.
Your mistake is including NUC with RAM and CBD in this example.



Maybe Neal was confused because he was watching a Three Stooges movie
while typing.


Neal say he can quote "chapter and Verse" of the Rules...... will have to
take his word for that, but there's a big difference between quoting and
knowing what it means/ interpreting..... and here he constantly falls
short.