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Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
If you don't want to pay the price for the connectors with the self adhisive
sleeves, then use good quality marine connectors and purchase, sperately, the heavy duty adhesive shrink sleeving.. I'm really sold on the heaver self adhesive shrink sleeving.. I get mine from Waytek Inc, http://www.waytekwire.com/ Good prices but they have a minimum order of $25.. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
Steve wrote:
Rick, you don't mention the deep submersibles method of routing nearly all electrical cables inside of tygon tubing and fittings and filled with mineral oil. We only used oil-filled cables for temporary of field installed systems that didn't rate a shop made cable. We would save the plug ends and a foot or two of wire from old cables for that purpose. We used oil-filled j-boxes externally and ran conductors through the same type of clear plastic tubing you see in boat stores and filled the entire run with oil. We had a shop back in the world where we could build and vacuum pot our own cables for newbuilds. Some of our standard cables were manufactured by a specialty cable shop. A lot of smaller stuff just used off the shelf underwater connectors made for the commercial (oil field)and military market. Rick |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
Steve wrote:
Rick, you don't mention the deep submersibles method of routing nearly all electrical cables inside of tygon tubing and fittings and filled with mineral oil. We only used oil-filled cables for temporary of field installed systems that didn't rate a shop made cable. We would save the plug ends and a foot or two of wire from old cables for that purpose. We used oil-filled j-boxes externally and ran conductors through the same type of clear plastic tubing you see in boat stores and filled the entire run with oil. We had a shop back in the world where we could build and vacuum pot our own cables for newbuilds. Some of our standard cables were manufactured by a specialty cable shop. A lot of smaller stuff just used off the shelf underwater connectors made for the commercial (oil field)and military market. Rick |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
Terry wrote:
solomio wrote: Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors for the new spreader light wiring that I'm having to do. Any suggestions for inexpensive and somewhat waterproof 2-conductor connectors for about 14 ga wire? I've used trailer wire connectors previously and they're certailny cheap and available - I have to rewire our mast (30 ft Al. Westerly Tiger) and also completely redo the connection of the mast wiring into the boat. About five wires and a VHF coax. All 'running' and the anchor lights will now be on the mast. A repair to our boat on behalf of the previous owner, following a dismasting, by a presumably competent person, mounted two three pin connector sockets flat on the fibreglass deck adjacent to the bottom of the mast with wires through. Wires coming from the mast plugged into those sockets. Water got into the sockets and then seeped down into the wooden deck pad inside the fibreglass deck under the mast step. Water froze and mast step heaved and cracked deck. A mess! An alternate that some Tanzers have used and seem to like: a "J" tube coming through the deck near the mast (and protected by it). Wires can be long enough to go to terminal strips. Some boats have no break in the coax between the antenna and VHF -- the plug fits through the tube. The tube can be heavily caulked, the wires have 3 less places corrosion can form; Lots of benefits and few drawbacks or drips. (I went a different route, but am thinking of installing a tube for this spring.) -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
Terry wrote:
solomio wrote: Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors for the new spreader light wiring that I'm having to do. Any suggestions for inexpensive and somewhat waterproof 2-conductor connectors for about 14 ga wire? I've used trailer wire connectors previously and they're certailny cheap and available - I have to rewire our mast (30 ft Al. Westerly Tiger) and also completely redo the connection of the mast wiring into the boat. About five wires and a VHF coax. All 'running' and the anchor lights will now be on the mast. A repair to our boat on behalf of the previous owner, following a dismasting, by a presumably competent person, mounted two three pin connector sockets flat on the fibreglass deck adjacent to the bottom of the mast with wires through. Wires coming from the mast plugged into those sockets. Water got into the sockets and then seeped down into the wooden deck pad inside the fibreglass deck under the mast step. Water froze and mast step heaved and cracked deck. A mess! An alternate that some Tanzers have used and seem to like: a "J" tube coming through the deck near the mast (and protected by it). Wires can be long enough to go to terminal strips. Some boats have no break in the coax between the antenna and VHF -- the plug fits through the tube. The tube can be heavily caulked, the wires have 3 less places corrosion can form; Lots of benefits and few drawbacks or drips. (I went a different route, but am thinking of installing a tube for this spring.) -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
Rick,
Yes it can me messy, but I just wipe it with paper towels...the shop type. Not that much is actually put on, just enough to replace air gaps when the heat shrink, shrinks. This reduces the cure time as does the heat gun shrinking the tubing. The stuff I got from the line men 30 years ago had a strong acetic acid smell then, as it does now. I would not use it on a connection needed for deep water, high pressure, or for anything needed to last longer than a couple of years...tops. I use it on temporary connections that I want to seal but still be able to cut open and disconnect later. Remember I am not talking gobs and gobs of RTV, only a dab or two. Forgive the non-tech measurements, but DIYrs will understand me...I think. Incidentally, I just finished some life testing on a new series of coffee pots, which I cleaned daily with 4% acetic acid (white vinegar). After the equivalent of several years of accelerated testing, I opened the units and checked. All my connectors and control panel enclosures which were sealed with the RTV were fine, but the hose clamps were badly corroded from vinegar steam leakage. I am not seeing any problems with the RTV corroding electrical connectors or electronics boards on any of this testing or the other testing which I have done. I think I will set up some life testing in the lab and see if I can create a corrosion problem with the RTV. I will let you all know what I find out. Greg Luckett "Rick" wrote in message link.net... Greg wrote: I shrink mine from the middle out to squeeze out excess RTV. That is incredibly messy isn't it? The adhesive filled heat shrink that Steve mentioned is a far better alternative. The adhesive will bond to most wire jackets while RTV just won't stick well enough to depend on. The heat shrink is self contained, no messy tubes, no rags, no drips or blobs of excess goo ... Rick -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
Rick,
Yes it can me messy, but I just wipe it with paper towels...the shop type. Not that much is actually put on, just enough to replace air gaps when the heat shrink, shrinks. This reduces the cure time as does the heat gun shrinking the tubing. The stuff I got from the line men 30 years ago had a strong acetic acid smell then, as it does now. I would not use it on a connection needed for deep water, high pressure, or for anything needed to last longer than a couple of years...tops. I use it on temporary connections that I want to seal but still be able to cut open and disconnect later. Remember I am not talking gobs and gobs of RTV, only a dab or two. Forgive the non-tech measurements, but DIYrs will understand me...I think. Incidentally, I just finished some life testing on a new series of coffee pots, which I cleaned daily with 4% acetic acid (white vinegar). After the equivalent of several years of accelerated testing, I opened the units and checked. All my connectors and control panel enclosures which were sealed with the RTV were fine, but the hose clamps were badly corroded from vinegar steam leakage. I am not seeing any problems with the RTV corroding electrical connectors or electronics boards on any of this testing or the other testing which I have done. I think I will set up some life testing in the lab and see if I can create a corrosion problem with the RTV. I will let you all know what I find out. Greg Luckett "Rick" wrote in message link.net... Greg wrote: I shrink mine from the middle out to squeeze out excess RTV. That is incredibly messy isn't it? The adhesive filled heat shrink that Steve mentioned is a far better alternative. The adhesive will bond to most wire jackets while RTV just won't stick well enough to depend on. The heat shrink is self contained, no messy tubes, no rags, no drips or blobs of excess goo ... Rick -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
Greg wrote:
I think I will set up some life testing in the lab and see if I can create a corrosion problem with the RTV. I will let you all know what I find out. I bet you will have no problems with it. For years it has been a standard to avoid the use of the stuff on or near electronic components and boards but I have never seen any problems associated with it in the absence of liquid water or very high humidity. I will admit there are places where the stuff is very handy and useful but years of seeing it fail in a marine environment has made me very cautious about where and how I use it. Personally, I do not have a single tube of the stuff on my boat and it is a fairly large and complex old girl with a lot of external wiring with all the stuffing boxes and penetrators that entails. There are just too many better products available. Rick |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
Greg wrote:
I think I will set up some life testing in the lab and see if I can create a corrosion problem with the RTV. I will let you all know what I find out. I bet you will have no problems with it. For years it has been a standard to avoid the use of the stuff on or near electronic components and boards but I have never seen any problems associated with it in the absence of liquid water or very high humidity. I will admit there are places where the stuff is very handy and useful but years of seeing it fail in a marine environment has made me very cautious about where and how I use it. Personally, I do not have a single tube of the stuff on my boat and it is a fairly large and complex old girl with a lot of external wiring with all the stuffing boxes and penetrators that entails. There are just too many better products available. Rick |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:23:49 -0500, "Leanne" wrote:
For electrical connection I stand by my earlier recommendations to purchase the connectors that have a heavy adhesive shrink sleeving.. They are expensive but for mast wiring the OP is only going to need a half dozen. Has anyone tried Liquid Tape? We have used it in Sat TV work and it has worked well in painting the connections and connectors. I've used it for all sorts of jobs around the boat. Works great. Steve |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:23:49 -0500, "Leanne" wrote:
For electrical connection I stand by my earlier recommendations to purchase the connectors that have a heavy adhesive shrink sleeving.. They are expensive but for mast wiring the OP is only going to need a half dozen. Has anyone tried Liquid Tape? We have used it in Sat TV work and it has worked well in painting the connections and connectors. I've used it for all sorts of jobs around the boat. Works great. Steve |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
Thanks, Rick. I'm an electrical contractor at the moment and your product
list is very familiar to me wrt underground splices. Soils have similar pernicious chemical liabilities to electrical lines that seawater does, it seems. I wondered if Scotchkote was a common marine solution. Padeen "Rick" wrote in message hlink.net... padeen wrote: Sooo..... What DID you use as a sealant ...? Well, it was a multistep process that started with soldered butt splices, covered with heatshrink. The stepped splices were then wrapped with a well stretched layer of self-vulcanizing tape and the whole was filled with a 3M product called ScotchFil, a soft, thick, rubbery tape that filled all the voids between the conductors. Next, the smoothed Scotchfil was wrapped with another couple of wraps of self vulcanizing tape until the splice was smooth and solid. Final wraps of a vinyl tape like Scotch 33 overlapped the entire length and then that was secured with cable wrapping thread and finally the entire splice was coated with Scotchkote, a rubber glue type of sealant. These splices were almost guaranteed to work to 10,000 feet. Note the almost ... Rick |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
Thanks, Rick. I'm an electrical contractor at the moment and your product
list is very familiar to me wrt underground splices. Soils have similar pernicious chemical liabilities to electrical lines that seawater does, it seems. I wondered if Scotchkote was a common marine solution. Padeen "Rick" wrote in message hlink.net... padeen wrote: Sooo..... What DID you use as a sealant ...? Well, it was a multistep process that started with soldered butt splices, covered with heatshrink. The stepped splices were then wrapped with a well stretched layer of self-vulcanizing tape and the whole was filled with a 3M product called ScotchFil, a soft, thick, rubbery tape that filled all the voids between the conductors. Next, the smoothed Scotchfil was wrapped with another couple of wraps of self vulcanizing tape until the splice was smooth and solid. Final wraps of a vinyl tape like Scotch 33 overlapped the entire length and then that was secured with cable wrapping thread and finally the entire splice was coated with Scotchkote, a rubber glue type of sealant. These splices were almost guaranteed to work to 10,000 feet. Note the almost ... Rick |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
padeen wrote:
Thanks, Rick. I'm an electrical contractor at the moment and your product list is very familiar to me wrt underground splices. Soils have similar pernicious chemical liabilities to electrical lines that seawater does, it seems. I wondered if Scotchkote was a common marine solution. It should. We borrowed the techniques and materials from you guys to begin with. 8-) I love Scothchkote, it is one of those "electrician in a can" products that really is worth its weight. We tried all the prepackaged urethane and epoxy splice kits but never had a lot of success with them since unless they were prepared in a vacuum chamber like we did with the shop terminated cables, they were susceptible to bubbles that would collapse under pressure and create problems or even fracture the epoxy potted splices. It was actually faster and usually more successful to hand splice onboard ship. Rick |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
padeen wrote:
Thanks, Rick. I'm an electrical contractor at the moment and your product list is very familiar to me wrt underground splices. Soils have similar pernicious chemical liabilities to electrical lines that seawater does, it seems. I wondered if Scotchkote was a common marine solution. It should. We borrowed the techniques and materials from you guys to begin with. 8-) I love Scothchkote, it is one of those "electrician in a can" products that really is worth its weight. We tried all the prepackaged urethane and epoxy splice kits but never had a lot of success with them since unless they were prepared in a vacuum chamber like we did with the shop terminated cables, they were susceptible to bubbles that would collapse under pressure and create problems or even fracture the epoxy potted splices. It was actually faster and usually more successful to hand splice onboard ship. Rick |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
Ron Thornton wrote:
I suspect it is a cheaper product, good enough to chalk your house but not to be used on electrical stuff. Caution about house caulking silicon, I use some on an electrical device only to find out that the silicon caulking compount is electrically conductive. Fortunately I was able to peel away the silicon. I had installed resistors and LEDs to indicate open fuses on an old VW fusebox, and wondered why connecting 12v to one LED, caused multiple LEDs to illuminate. Mike. |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
Ron Thornton wrote:
I suspect it is a cheaper product, good enough to chalk your house but not to be used on electrical stuff. Caution about house caulking silicon, I use some on an electrical device only to find out that the silicon caulking compount is electrically conductive. Fortunately I was able to peel away the silicon. I had installed resistors and LEDs to indicate open fuses on an old VW fusebox, and wondered why connecting 12v to one LED, caused multiple LEDs to illuminate. Mike. |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
Steve wrote: I recommend you purchase some good marine connectors. Their a little more expensive but certainly much more reliable for something that is "up the mast".. Get the kind that have a shrink sleeve over the outside. You just crimp them on using a good crimping tool. Then you heat shrink the sleeve down onto the finished connection. The real good connectors have a adhesive inside that seals the job. The moto here is "don't go on the cheap" with anything up the mast. Steve s/v Good Intentions When I lower my mast, I unplug the automotive ball connectors at the spreader and tabernacle so I can stow the rig compactly. I haven't bothered with gobs of silicone grease in the rubber boots, I sail in fresh mostly and simply disconnecting and reconnecting them each year keeps them clean. The cabin overhead connector is an empty shell, with only push connector wire ends and a silicone rubber seal on the top of the mast tail shell half. The connectors at the spreader are there so I could unplug the spreader light assembly to lower or replace it easily if riding the bosun. The spaced out connectors at the tabernacle won't fit the bung all at once, and doing them staggered in series keeps them organised. The wiring festoons the head bulkhead join in plastic cable clamps with 2 screws each, one to retain the mounting and one to release the wire bundle. The connections to the mast can be seen belowdecks, and tested easily. 5 years, no probs. The 'marine' plug connector fell apart the first year. Ewwww! Terry K -- Terry K - My email address is MY PROPERTY, and is protected by copyright legislation. Permission to reproduce it is specifically denied for mass mailing and unrequested solicitations. Reproduction or conveyance for any unauthorised purpose is THEFT and PLAGIARISM. Abuse is Invasion of privacy and harassment. Abusers may be prosecuted. -This notice footer released to public domain. Spamspoof salad by spamchock - SofDevCo |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
Rick :
Greg wrote: As a guess, you have no direct experience using it? If so, tell about what you actually did? Guessed wrong. 8-) Worked with building, maintaining, and operating manned deep submersibles to 2000 meters, plus ROV operations and surface marine industry for over 30 years with a break to go airline flying for a few years between seagoing endeavors. Am still sailing in the merchant marine and teach propulsion and sometimes electrical classes at a maritime academy. We made up many of our own cables for submersible work and repaired those that we had commercially built. When I spliced a DC power cable that supplied my life-support system a mile underwater I did not even consider using a silicone sealant anywhere on the splice. The only place we would use those sealants was to seal rubber gaskets in on devices that were not subject to more than minor pressure differentials. First, I don't call the forces that get water into your wiring in a submersible 'wicking' I call it pressure injection. Second, a boater who has to worry about if his wiring will work 10,000 feet down has other problems more important than some silly wires. Earl Colby Pottinger -- I make public email sent to me! Hydrogen Peroxide Rockets, OpenBeos, SerialTransfer 3.0, RAMDISK, BoatBuilding, DIY TabletPC. What happened to the time? http://webhome.idirect.com/~earlcp |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
Rick :
Greg wrote: As a guess, you have no direct experience using it? If so, tell about what you actually did? Guessed wrong. 8-) Worked with building, maintaining, and operating manned deep submersibles to 2000 meters, plus ROV operations and surface marine industry for over 30 years with a break to go airline flying for a few years between seagoing endeavors. Am still sailing in the merchant marine and teach propulsion and sometimes electrical classes at a maritime academy. We made up many of our own cables for submersible work and repaired those that we had commercially built. When I spliced a DC power cable that supplied my life-support system a mile underwater I did not even consider using a silicone sealant anywhere on the splice. The only place we would use those sealants was to seal rubber gaskets in on devices that were not subject to more than minor pressure differentials. First, I don't call the forces that get water into your wiring in a submersible 'wicking' I call it pressure injection. Second, a boater who has to worry about if his wiring will work 10,000 feet down has other problems more important than some silly wires. Earl Colby Pottinger -- I make public email sent to me! Hydrogen Peroxide Rockets, OpenBeos, SerialTransfer 3.0, RAMDISK, BoatBuilding, DIY TabletPC. What happened to the time? http://webhome.idirect.com/~earlcp |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
And I thought this thread was over months ago.....LOL.
Greg. "Earl Colby Pottinger" wrote in message ... Rick : Greg wrote: As a guess, you have no direct experience using it? If so, tell about what you actually did? Guessed wrong. 8-) Worked with building, maintaining, and operating manned deep submersibles to 2000 meters, plus ROV operations and surface marine industry for over 30 years with a break to go airline flying for a few years between seagoing endeavors. Am still sailing in the merchant marine and teach propulsion and sometimes electrical classes at a maritime academy. We made up many of our own cables for submersible work and repaired those that we had commercially built. When I spliced a DC power cable that supplied my life-support system a mile underwater I did not even consider using a silicone sealant anywhere on the splice. The only place we would use those sealants was to seal rubber gaskets in on devices that were not subject to more than minor pressure differentials. First, I don't call the forces that get water into your wiring in a submersible 'wicking' I call it pressure injection. Second, a boater who has to worry about if his wiring will work 10,000 feet down has other problems more important than some silly wires. Earl Colby Pottinger -- I make public email sent to me! Hydrogen Peroxide Rockets, OpenBeos, SerialTransfer 3.0, RAMDISK, BoatBuilding, DIY TabletPC. What happened to the time? http://webhome.idirect.com/~earlcp -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
And I thought this thread was over months ago.....LOL.
Greg. "Earl Colby Pottinger" wrote in message ... Rick : Greg wrote: As a guess, you have no direct experience using it? If so, tell about what you actually did? Guessed wrong. 8-) Worked with building, maintaining, and operating manned deep submersibles to 2000 meters, plus ROV operations and surface marine industry for over 30 years with a break to go airline flying for a few years between seagoing endeavors. Am still sailing in the merchant marine and teach propulsion and sometimes electrical classes at a maritime academy. We made up many of our own cables for submersible work and repaired those that we had commercially built. When I spliced a DC power cable that supplied my life-support system a mile underwater I did not even consider using a silicone sealant anywhere on the splice. The only place we would use those sealants was to seal rubber gaskets in on devices that were not subject to more than minor pressure differentials. First, I don't call the forces that get water into your wiring in a submersible 'wicking' I call it pressure injection. Second, a boater who has to worry about if his wiring will work 10,000 feet down has other problems more important than some silly wires. Earl Colby Pottinger -- I make public email sent to me! Hydrogen Peroxide Rockets, OpenBeos, SerialTransfer 3.0, RAMDISK, BoatBuilding, DIY TabletPC. What happened to the time? http://webhome.idirect.com/~earlcp -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
Earl Colby Pottinger wrote:
Second, a boater who has to worry about if his wiring will work 10,000 feet down has other problems more important than some silly wires. If a splice fails it will usually fail on or near the surface. Water just gets in faster and further at depth, the damage it does to the system is the same so it is well worthwhile to make your splices good ones. Rick |
Need some "waterproof" 12 v power connectors
Earl Colby Pottinger wrote:
Second, a boater who has to worry about if his wiring will work 10,000 feet down has other problems more important than some silly wires. If a splice fails it will usually fail on or near the surface. Water just gets in faster and further at depth, the damage it does to the system is the same so it is well worthwhile to make your splices good ones. Rick |
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