Not sure that matters much. If the fuel can negoatiate the baffles
then I suspect the crud can as well. Hence the problem. Once the
fuel is shaken not stirred

Doug

"LaBomba182" wrote in message
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Subject: Fuel transfer/polishing pump
From: "Len Krauss"

That works.

Only if your tank has no baffels.

Capt. Bill

Subject: Fuel transfer/polishing pump
From: "Doug Dotson"

Not sure that matters much. If the fuel can negoatiate the baffles
then I suspect the crud can as well. Hence the problem. Once the
fuel is shaken not stirred


Yes, but just bubbling up the fuel in one baffled area doesn't cut it.

Capt. Bill

Huh? Bubbling up fuel? It helps it as much as drawing the fuel from
one baffled area into the engine. Better to draw it into a polishing
system for a while.

Doug


"LaBomba182" wrote in message
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Subject: Fuel transfer/polishing pump
From: "Doug Dotson"

Not sure that matters much. If the fuel can negoatiate the baffles
then I suspect the crud can as well. Hence the problem. Once the
fuel is shaken not stirred


Yes, but just bubbling up the fuel in one baffled area doesn't cut it.

Capt. Bill

Subject: Fuel transfer/polishing pump
From: "Doug Dotson"

Huh? Bubbling up fuel? It helps it as much as drawing the fuel from
one baffled area into the engine. Better to draw it into a polishing
system for a while.

But unless the fuel is shaken up real well most of the crud is still at the
bottom of each baffled area in a nice little mound.

Capt. Bill

That may be true, and as long as it stays there the engine still
runs fine. If it does get shaken up, the a polishing system will
do its job while lessing the crud going through the engine filtering
system. Once initial polishing is done, I will be alternating between
tanks. One running while the other polishing. Getting things shaken
up is the best thing I can hope for.

Doug
s/v Callista

"LaBomba182" wrote in message
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Subject: Fuel transfer/polishing pump
From: "Doug Dotson"

Huh? Bubbling up fuel? It helps it as much as drawing the fuel from
one baffled area into the engine. Better to draw it into a polishing
system for a while.

But unless the fuel is shaken up real well most of the crud is still at
the
bottom of each baffled area in a nice little mound.

Capt. Bill

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:41:45 -0500, "Doug Dotson" wrote:

That may be true, and as long as it stays there the engine still
runs fine. If it does get shaken up, the a polishing system will
do its job while lessing the crud going through the engine filtering
system. Once initial polishing is done, I will be alternating between
tanks. One running while the other polishing. Getting things shaken
up is the best thing I can hope for.

Why not just always leave the polishing system in-line? Allow for a
bypass to change a filter or if it develops a vacuum leak, but other
then that, there's nothing wrong with always using "just polished" fuel.

Steve

That would require me to have 2 pretty much independent polishing
systems. I don't really have the room for that and the extra
expense would be hard to justify.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:41:45 -0500, "Doug Dotson" wrote:

That may be true, and as long as it stays there the engine still
runs fine. If it does get shaken up, the a polishing system will
do its job while lessing the crud going through the engine filtering
system. Once initial polishing is done, I will be alternating between
tanks. One running while the other polishing. Getting things shaken
up is the best thing I can hope for.

Why not just always leave the polishing system in-line? Allow for a
bypass to change a filter or if it develops a vacuum leak, but other
then that, there's nothing wrong with always using "just polished" fuel.

Steve

That would require me to have 2 pretty much independent polishing
systems. I don't really have the room for that and the extra
expense would be hard to justify.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:41:45 -0500, "Doug Dotson" wrote:

That may be true, and as long as it stays there the engine still
runs fine. If it does get shaken up, the a polishing system will
do its job while lessing the crud going through the engine filtering
system. Once initial polishing is done, I will be alternating between
tanks. One running while the other polishing. Getting things shaken
up is the best thing I can hope for.

Why not just always leave the polishing system in-line? Allow for a
bypass to change a filter or if it develops a vacuum leak, but other
then that, there's nothing wrong with always using "just polished" fuel.

Steve

In article , Steven Shelikoff
wrote:

My 'read' from your statment is that perhaps you miss the functional
point of a recirculation filtration system - which is using a filter of
LARGE pore/rentention size to eventually wind up with a fluid with very
few very small particles.

A recirc filter only removes a paltry few percent of the 'target' size
particles (for example 5% of 2uM particles.). A large pore size filter
will have very little resistance to flow, will have more permeability
(open space), will have more ultimate 'dirt capacity'. If you pass the
fluid 20 times through the filter, you will remove approximately a
value approaching 100% of the target particles. With the same pump, a
LARGE filter is be able to pass a LARGE volume very quickly, whereas
2uM filter will take longer (due to resistance to flow - pump slows
down or starts to slip and fluid begins to bypass the vanes, etc. ).

For single pass filtration (and without knowing the particle size
distribution) one typically needs a prefilter of the same surface area
(or dirt capacity) that is 5 times the size of the final filter.
eg.: 10uM followed by 2uM, where the prefilter is used to prolong the
life of the final filter. This is somewhat simplistic. When you
design a filtration system with a prefilter or multistage prefilters
one typically attempts to make ALL the filters fail at the exact same
time - so maximum debris is removed and the cost of change is minimized
- and you dont throw away filters that still have some capture ability
left in them.



Why not just always leave the polishing system in-line? Allow for a
bypass to change a filter or if it develops a vacuum leak, but other
then that, there's nothing wrong with always using "just polished" fuel.

Steve

In article , Steven Shelikoff
wrote:

My 'read' from your statment is that perhaps you miss the functional
point of a recirculation filtration system - which is using a filter of
LARGE pore/rentention size to eventually wind up with a fluid with very
few very small particles.

A recirc filter only removes a paltry few percent of the 'target' size
particles (for example 5% of 2uM particles.). A large pore size filter
will have very little resistance to flow, will have more permeability
(open space), will have more ultimate 'dirt capacity'. If you pass the
fluid 20 times through the filter, you will remove approximately a
value approaching 100% of the target particles. With the same pump, a
LARGE filter is be able to pass a LARGE volume very quickly, whereas
2uM filter will take longer (due to resistance to flow - pump slows
down or starts to slip and fluid begins to bypass the vanes, etc. ).

For single pass filtration (and without knowing the particle size
distribution) one typically needs a prefilter of the same surface area
(or dirt capacity) that is 5 times the size of the final filter.
eg.: 10uM followed by 2uM, where the prefilter is used to prolong the
life of the final filter. This is somewhat simplistic. When you
design a filtration system with a prefilter or multistage prefilters
one typically attempts to make ALL the filters fail at the exact same
time - so maximum debris is removed and the cost of change is minimized
- and you dont throw away filters that still have some capture ability
left in them.



Why not just always leave the polishing system in-line? Allow for a
bypass to change a filter or if it develops a vacuum leak, but other
then that, there's nothing wrong with always using "just polished" fuel.

Steve