Wilbur Hubbard wrote:


"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

And you read a;t.drugs because....???




Because Neal is a lonely, frustrated guy who's only interested in
tearing other people down by whatever means possible, including lying.


well, I have noticed that.

You'd have to be blind and deaf not to.

Well, as Bugs Bunny said, "What a maroon"!


If you're open to the facts I can prove I'm not lying. Are you going to
believe the facts or are you going to believe a name-caller?

Wilbur Hubbard

Speaking of name callers!!!

Wilber (or what-ever), I've read enough of your small minded petty
self important tirades to decide for my own self.

You, sir, are a loon.

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
nk.net...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:


"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
nk.net...

Capt. JG wrote:

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
nk.net...

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

And you read a;t.drugs because....???




Because Neal is a lonely, frustrated guy who's only interested in
tearing other people down by whatever means possible, including
lying.


well, I have noticed that.

You'd have to be blind and deaf not to.

Well, as Bugs Bunny said, "What a maroon"!


If you're open to the facts I can prove I'm not lying. Are you going
to believe the facts or are you going to believe a name-caller?

Wilbur Hubbard

Speaking of name callers!!!

Wilber (or what-ever), I've read enough of your small minded petty
self important tirades to decide for my own self.

You, sir, are a loon.


And you are possessed of a closed mind. It shows. So sad! When I call
somebody a drug abuser I can back up my statements with Usenet posts
that prove what I say. But, you don't care about anything but your
fantasies and that's OK with me. Live your life any way that pleases
you. I don't care.

Wilbur Hubbard

If you're open to the facts I can prove I'm not lying. Are you going to
believe the facts or are you going to believe a name-caller?

Wilbur Hubbard

No we'll just stick to the notion of your being a loser with too much free
time on his hands. That's enough of a reason to discount anything you'd
ever post. That you're a liar too, well, that's just icing on the cake.

....
Saw a CG RIB yesterday. It had two mighty nasty looking machine guns mounted,
one forward, one aft. I had not seen that before., It saddened me greatly. ...

Yes, they've added a bunch of those armed RIBs to their fleet here.
I'm a big fan of the CG, but I'm just a little terrorized by the idea
of a bunch of very young, very junior officers zipping about in fast
heavily armed boats. They are certainly oblivious to speed limits and
no wake zones. I hope they are more careful about gun safety than
they are about water safety, but I'm not feeling very secure about
that. The last time we headed out of here for New Zealand they were
running a gunnery exercise about three quarters of a mile south of our
marina. They were firing to sea towards one of the most popular
fishing areas in Hawaii and they had no picket boats and no useful
lookouts and weren't keeping a radio watch. We called sector and
waited to pass south of them but even sector was unable to raise them
on the radio until they'd finished firing...

-- Tom.

wrote in message
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...
Saw a CG RIB yesterday. It had two mighty nasty looking machine guns
mounted,
one forward, one aft. I had not seen that before., It saddened me
greatly. ...

Yes, they've added a bunch of those armed RIBs to their fleet here.
I'm a big fan of the CG, but I'm just a little terrorized by the idea
of a bunch of very young, very junior officers zipping about in fast
heavily armed boats. They are certainly oblivious to speed limits and
no wake zones. I hope they are more careful about gun safety than
they are about water safety, but I'm not feeling very secure about
that. The last time we headed out of here for New Zealand they were
running a gunnery exercise about three quarters of a mile south of our
marina. They were firing to sea towards one of the most popular
fishing areas in Hawaii and they had no picket boats and no useful
lookouts and weren't keeping a radio watch. We called sector and
waited to pass south of them but even sector was unable to raise them
on the radio until they'd finished firing...

-- Tom.


Laws are for the plebes, not for those in power.

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:46:18 -0400, Gogarty wrote:

In article ,
says...


On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:56:54 -0400, Gogarty
wrote:


The CG belongs in the Treasury Department, not the all-engulfing
Department
of
Homeland Security (the very name makes me retch -- so Teutonic!) that
will
eventually subsume all our liberties.


I'm sorry to tell you, but the U.S. Coast Guard is part of Homeland
Security.

http://www.uscg.mil

I know that. But it used to be in the Treasury Department. After all, they
were at one time called revenue cutters.

"used too"? Things have changed - a lot! ...And not for the better. The
"war on
terror" is a farce of outlandish proportions. We had the real threat of
Russian
missiles pointed directly at us for 40 years and we didn't need ANY of
this
nonsense. People are so gullible... and gutless.


An interesting comment from someone posing a Coastie. So what would you do
if boaters resisted boarding by presenting arms of their own?

Yeah, go ahead and call us "gutless" for choosing to remain among the
living.

"Gogarty" wrote in message
...
In article , lid
says...

It's a dumb idea, but look where it's coming from... out here, the CG is
quite active. The last weekend we saw them cruising in places I've rarely
seen them before. These puppies are usually seen heading out to sea...
http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/usa...s/cg_mlb47.jpg. The CG seems to
be
pretty good at keeping aware of who's going where with what... at least
out
here.

Saw a CG RIB yesterday. It had two mighty nasty looking machine guns
mounted,
one forward, one aft. I had not seen that before., It saddened me greatly.

Wait until they come screaming along side waving automatic weapons, telling
you to go over to the breakwater and then get upset because you are only
moving 5 knots. St Mary's river when a sub is moving.

Leanne

"Gogarty" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

An interesting comment from someone posing a Coastie. So what would you do
if boaters resisted boarding by presenting arms of their own?

Oh dear. Another one who would (has already) trade liberty for security.

Excuse me? That is a ridiculous statement. I find it outrageous that our
"Coast Guard" finds it either necessary or acceptable to play Rambo on our
waterways. However, I'm not suicidal enough to go up against their automatic
weapons and superior speed and maneuverability.

As I
recall, the boys in the RIBs or even 40 footers had no trouble stopping
and
boarding any one they wished to carrying only side arms, if that. No need
for
an overwhelming dispay of firepopwer.

Yeah, go ahead and call us "gutless" for choosing to remain among the
living.

Gutless does just fine. I never regard a man with a weapon big enough to
blow
away me and my boat as especially friendly. The Coast Guard has and has
always had the resources to deal with any situation concerning smuggling,
people, drtugs, whatever. It's not the Navy and was nedver intended to be.
Now it is part of the incompetent and bloated Department of Homeland
Security
(Gag!). The Coasties were just about the only competent people during
Katrina
or almost any other natural catastrophe that has fallen in to its purview.
They didn't need two mounted machine guns on an outboard-driven RIB to do
that. The nature of people and big weapons is that one day there will be a
misunderstanding between the crew of a yacht and an armed RIB and people
will
die.


And everyone who doesn't die is gutless. Right.

I think that since cigarette smugglers carry mac10s, the coasties are
smart to discourage their use, even their carriage, by exhibiting a
couple of .50s. I just hope they don't point them at me while I am
trying to explain what "heave to" means.

Smuggling smokes is one thing, smuggling aliens or terrorist bombs is
another. Targets have a responsibility to defend themselves.

Be reasonable and polite, these guys will not long enjoy boarding
CL18s to check for pot under the porta pottie, and will revert to
their previous gainful employment. Who wants to boat amongst such a
crowd as to bait enforcers?

I hope they catch every drunk out there, and I hope their bosses catch
on to the fact that soft soles are cheaper and safer on boats. I get a
kick out of watching town cops in RIBs with parade shoes trying to act
like experienced sailors, on lookout for beer bottle ******* and wake
offenders and I am glad to see them out there, giving tows and free
gas to those idiots who need it. It's also fun to hear them bellow
"Heave to!" to 16 foot power boats. I can't wait until some dummy to
windward tells me to do so in my 29' sailboat. I will immediately
round up into him to backwind the jib and then go to court if we
collide. After all, I am obligated to obey peace officers, no?

It seems sad to me to think that rock concerts have better security
than airliners, let alone toy boats. Where is this so-called threat?
With the WMDs?

Terry K