On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:32:55 -0400, Jeff wrote:


The one possibility might be a used Corsair F24 tri - rather spartan
on the accommodations, but shoal draft, wicked fast, and used they can
be under 30K.

Thanks. I had discounted tri's because of cabin size, but after
looking a little deeper now, the F24 is a possibility for the trips I
have in mind. This thing can sail as fast as a Mac can power, and
actually drafts less.

The Mac episode was rather different. Someone had borrowed the boat
on July 4th and took out some friends (with a few kids) to watch the
fireworks. Yes, there were a few people above the recommended limit,
and yes there was alcohol, but this was probably the case for half the
boats that left the dock that night across the country. The weather
was perfect: no wind, no waves. They pulled the anchor and apparently
the driver goosed the throttle by mistake. The boat tipped, someone
probably grabbed a stay, and it rolled over. I might expect this
behavior from a racing dinghy, or even a centerboard daysailer, but
not a 26 foot "cruising" boat. It is the totally unexpected nature of
this accident that sets it apart.

Well, my take is plain operator stupidity, and AFAIK it's a unique
incident. There were *11* people and a dog on the boat.
Three little girls, two of whom tragically drowned - that really
****es me off - and the dog were in the cabin.
The operator was in the cockpit. The other *7* adults, weighing who
knows how much, were on the bow. Duh.
*Nothing* is idiot-proof.
I was driving a big rented pontoon boat on a family fishing trip one
time and the damn thing almost tipped over when 4 heavyweights all
went to a forward corner. Totally unexpected.
The current was strong, and of course nobody was wearing a PFD.
It was scary, and if somebody drowned it would have been my fault for
not knowing the boat's limitations, and not instructing the passengers
on the rules.

--Vic

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:32:55 -0400, Jeff wrote:


The one possibility might be a used Corsair F24 tri - rather spartan
on the accommodations, but shoal draft, wicked fast, and used they can
be under 30K.

Thanks. I had discounted tri's because of cabin size, but after
looking a little deeper now, the F24 is a possibility for the trips I
have in mind. This thing can sail as fast as a Mac can power, and
actually drafts less.

It can also turn turtle in a cat's meow. (pun intended). But, tris are a
little less likely to turn turtle than catamarans. Any sane person who
wants to sail a multi will go tri.

Wilbur Hubbard

* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 6/14/2007 3:09 PM:
Thanks. I had discounted tri's because of cabin size, but after
looking a little deeper now, the F24 is a possibility for the trips I
have in mind. This thing can sail as fast as a Mac can power, and
actually drafts less.

It can also turn turtle in a cat's meow. (pun intended). But, tris are a
little less likely to turn turtle than catamarans. Any sane person who
wants to sail a multi will go tri.

Wilbur Hubbard


You know even less about boats than Neal did.

Its pretty well known that tris are more prone to flipping than cats.
There are are number of reasons, but one major difference is that a
tri will fly a hull, which allows the wind to push up underneath. The
opposite hull (or ama) then is getting pushed under. Even though the
tri is wider than a cat, since only the center hull and one ama
actually provides buoyancy at one time, the the effective beam is
less. This situation can go critical when going over a wave, and the
windward ama lifts up, while the leeward one dips.

This is why the extreme racing tris sometimes have half the fleet
capsize in a race. The Corsairs have had their share of incidents,
but the vast majority have been during racing, there have been very
few incidents with boats setup for cruising.

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:32:55 -0400, Jeff wrote:


The one possibility might be a used Corsair F24 tri - rather spartan
on the accommodations, but shoal draft, wicked fast, and used they can
be under 30K.

Thanks. I had discounted tri's because of cabin size, but after
looking a little deeper now, the F24 is a possibility for the trips I
have in mind. This thing can sail as fast as a Mac can power, and
actually drafts less.


It can also turn turtle in a cat's meow. (pun intended). But, tris are a
little less likely to turn turtle than catamarans. Any sane person who
wants to sail a multi will go tri.

Wilbur Hubbard


Np, any sane person who wants to sail a multi will go with a Wharrum Cat.

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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:32:55 -0400, Jeff wrote:


The one possibility might be a used Corsair F24 tri - rather
spartan
on the accommodations, but shoal draft, wicked fast, and used they
can
be under 30K.

Thanks. I had discounted tri's because of cabin size, but after
looking a little deeper now, the F24 is a possibility for the trips
I
have in mind. This thing can sail as fast as a Mac can power, and
actually drafts less.


It can also turn turtle in a cat's meow. (pun intended). But, tris
are a little less likely to turn turtle than catamarans. Any sane
person who wants to sail a multi will go tri.

Wilbur Hubbard


Np, any sane person who wants to sail a multi will go with a Wharrum
Cat.


Yah, right! Would that be James Wharrum? Bwahahahahahhahahahahahah!

I think a "Wharram" cat would be better. And there's some clowns here
who claim I don't know anything about boats?

Wilbur Hubbard

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:59:57 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

the F24 is a possibility for the trips I
have in mind. This thing can sail as fast as a Mac can power, and
actually drafts less.

More correctly stated, it can sail circles around a Mac.

I had a ring side seat for the Corsair 28Rs at Key West Race Week this
year and they were extremely impressive. Here's a link to an
interesting GPS based video of the last race which does a good job of
illustrating their off wind speed:

http://tinyurl.com/34xanw

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:44:40 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:59:57 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

the F24 is a possibility for the trips I
have in mind. This thing can sail as fast as a Mac can power, and
actually drafts less.

More correctly stated, it can sail circles around a Mac.

I had a ring side seat for the Corsair 28Rs at Key West Race Week this
year and they were extremely impressive. Here's a link to an
interesting GPS based video of the last race which does a good job of
illustrating their off wind speed:

http://tinyurl.com/34xanw

Very nice. I can watch this one a few times at a time.
Do you what the x/y axes represent? Yards?
How about wind speeds?

--Vic

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:07:57 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Very nice. I can watch this one a few times at a time.
Do you what the x/y axes represent? Yards?
How about wind speeds?

The course was Windward/Leeward with legs of about 2 miles, so the
scale could be either yards or meters. Wind was about 10 kts out of
the north east. Dealers Choice was consistently the number one boat
all week long and it's easy to see why when you watch their tactics.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:59:57 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

the F24 is a possibility for the trips I
have in mind. This thing can sail as fast as a Mac can power, and
actually drafts less.

More correctly stated, it can sail circles around a Mac.

I had a ring side seat for the Corsair 28Rs at Key West Race Week this
year and they were extremely impressive. Here's a link to an
interesting GPS based video of the last race which does a good job of
illustrating their off wind speed:

http://tinyurl.com/34xanw


Very informative. The crew of Dealer's choice is clearly superior with
their upwind work. Must be Capt. Neal at the helm. He lives in Key West,
doesn't he?

Wilbur Hubbard