"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:10:58 -0700, richforman
wrote:


I always appreciate the chance
to make a good impression (and dispel certain stereotypes)on behalf of
all my fellow educated, responsible pwc'ers.


I know we've had this conversation before but you've got an uphill
battle ahead of you in regard to stereotypes.

One of our local, responsible, PWC'ers managed to decapitate himself
last week while running through a mooring area at speed.

http://www.nbc-2.com/Articles/readar...d=12910&z=3&p=



Yes, but he learned his lesson and won't do it again!


Yeah, but all his buddies are saying, "Wow, that's sooo cool." g?


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On Jun 12, 5:38 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:10:58
wrote:

I always appreciate the chance
to make a good impression (and dispel certain stereotypes)on behalf of
all my fellow educated, responsible pwc'ers.

I know we've had this conversation before but you've got an uphill
battle ahead of you in regard to stereotypes.

One of our local, responsible, PWC'ers managed to decapitate himself
last week while running through a mooring area at speed.

http://www.nbc-2.com/Articles/readar...d=12910&z=3&p=

That is horrible (but then obviously he wasn't one of the responsible
and safe-operating ones I referred to....I didn't mean to imply that
all pwc'ers fell in that category, if it sounded that way I wasn't
expressing myself quite clearly.) At any rate, of course in any
segment of boaters (not just pwc's) we could come up with lots of
recent stories of people hurting and killing themselves and others by
doing stupid dangerous irresponsible things and not knowing how to
conduct themselves on the water.

richforman

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:59:29 -0700, richforman said:

At any rate, of course in any
segment of boaters (not just pwc's) we could come up with lots of
recent stories of people hurting and killing themselves and others by
doing stupid dangerous irresponsible things and not knowing how to
conduct themselves on the water.

I think you can skip the evangelizing. The personal observations of each
of
us carries far more weight than your broken-record sales pitch ever will.


As an example, I was sailing last weekend in a fairly narrow channel with
three students aboard a 32'. I PWC cut us off, despite our arm waiving,
which he clearly saw. We had to release our sails and head up to avoid him.
After he crossed our path, he gave us the finger. Bummer for him, because
the Coasties saw the whole thing... they were sitting right there on the
edge of the channel. I guess he didn't see them until they pulled him over.
We gave them the thumbs up and kept going.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Capt. JG wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:59:29 -0700, richforman said:


At any rate, of course in any
segment of boaters (not just pwc's) we could come up with lots of
recent stories of people hurting and killing themselves and others by
doing stupid dangerous irresponsible things and not knowing how to
conduct themselves on the water.

I think you can skip the evangelizing. The personal observations of each
of
us carries far more weight than your broken-record sales pitch ever will.



As an example, I was sailing last weekend in a fairly narrow channel with
three students aboard a 32'. I PWC cut us off, despite our arm waiving,
which he clearly saw. We had to release our sails and head up to avoid him.
After he crossed our path, he gave us the finger. Bummer for him, because
the Coasties saw the whole thing... they were sitting right there on the
edge of the channel. I guess he didn't see them until they pulled him over.
We gave them the thumbs up and kept going.


I was out sailing a few weeks back and saw a PWC dead in the water.

Well, it obviously didn't get there by itself so I headed over and
found a young girl (teen) in the water. She couldn't get back up
on the thing because she said she hurt her ankle when she fell off.

Her "boyfriend" who was "teaching" her was over a mile away.
Didn't see her go down, and still wasn't looking for her.

We sat there with her for 15 or 20 minutes tooting the horn until
he finally figured it out and came back for her.

Then he just circled telling her to get back on.
Her ankle was obviously badly swollen.

The boy took off full throttle back across the lake.

The girl putted slowly back to the dock.

A little while later the boy came racing back toward the docks.
Didn't throw us the finger, but he didn't look happy either.

I guess she spoiled all his fun.

For what ever it's worth.

Richard

cavelamb himself wrote:

Capt. JG wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:59:29 -0700, richforman said:


At any rate, of course in any
segment of boaters (not just pwc's) we could come up with lots of
recent stories of people hurting and killing themselves and others by
doing stupid dangerous irresponsible things and not knowing how to
conduct themselves on the water.


I think you can skip the evangelizing. The personal observations of
each of
us carries far more weight than your broken-record sales pitch ever
will.




As an example, I was sailing last weekend in a fairly narrow channel
with three students aboard a 32'. I PWC cut us off, despite our arm
waiving, which he clearly saw. We had to release our sails and head up
to avoid him. After he crossed our path, he gave us the finger. Bummer
for him, because the Coasties saw the whole thing... they were sitting
right there on the edge of the channel. I guess he didn't see them
until they pulled him over. We gave them the thumbs up and kept going.


I was out sailing a few weeks back and saw a PWC dead in the water.

Well, it obviously didn't get there by itself so I headed over and
found a young girl (teen) in the water. She couldn't get back up
on the thing because she said she hurt her ankle when she fell off.

Her "boyfriend" who was "teaching" her was over a mile away.
Didn't see her go down, and still wasn't looking for her.

We sat there with her for 15 or 20 minutes tooting the horn until
he finally figured it out and came back for her.

Then he just circled telling her to get back on.
Her ankle was obviously badly swollen.

The boy took off full throttle back across the lake.

The girl putted slowly back to the dock.

A little while later the boy came racing back toward the docks.
Didn't throw us the finger, but he didn't look happy either.

I guess she spoiled all his fun.

For what ever it's worth.

Richard

Pwc'ers are kinda like lawyers: 97% of 'em give the rest a bad name.

DT

On Jun 13, 5:25 pm, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:59:29 said:

At any rate, of course in any
segment of boaters (not just pwc's) we could come up with lots of
recent stories of people hurting and killing themselves and others by
doing stupid dangerous irresponsible things and not knowing how to
conduct themselves on the water.

I think you can skip the evangelizing. The personal observations of each of
us carries far more weight than your broken-record sales pitch ever will.

My statement above that you quoted is true.

richforman

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:11:41 -0700, richforman
wrote:

I think you can skip the evangelizing. The personal observations of each of
us carries far more weight than your broken-record sales pitch ever will.

My statement above that you quoted is true.

I think the obversation that 97% of PWC operators give the rest a bad
reputation is absolutely true.

On Jun 15, 10:37 am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:11:41
wrote:

I think you can skip the evangelizing. The personal observations of each of
us carries far more weight than your broken-record sales pitch ever will.

My statement above that you quoted is true.

I think the obversation that 97% of PWC operators give the rest a bad
reputation is absolutely true.

Well that was more of an admittedly funny line rather than a true
statement like mine was

Well I've ridden pwc's with six other riders in the last week or so,
two of us covered about 340 miles over this last weekend; any way,
none of the seven of us had any problems or conflicts of any kind with
any of our fellow boaters
on the last few rides, for what that's worth, if anything. We idled
through no-wake zones, gave
fishermen and everybody else wide berths, got stopped and checked by
state police and coast
guard officers who seemed impressed with our level of preparedness and
knowledgeability and treated
us with respect and friendliness as did all other fellow water-lovers
we encountered on these trips. On Saturday,
my friend and I rode from Jones Beach Inlet on Long Island, right
across the ocean to Barnegat Inlet where
we met another friend, a doctor who had just bought his new 'ski the
day before, the three of us rode the
backwaters of the bay to the Cape May Inlet and then back to Tom's
River where we overnighted before
riding back to L.I. early Sunday morning.....we spent the two days
just seeing sights (we were happy to see about a half-dozen dolphins
frollicking in the ocean near Seaside Heights), enjoying the sun,
swimming
and exploring, stops on beaches and the fun of cruising around, and
defnitely not conforming to some of you fellas' ideas about who
pwc'ers are or what we do. I guess myself and all the people I
ride with are in the 3% of good ones, or maybe that percentage is not
really accurate.

richforman

richforman wrote:

On Jun 15, 10:37 am, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:11:41
wrote:


I think you can skip the evangelizing. The personal observations of each of
us carries far more weight than your broken-record sales pitch ever will.

My statement above that you quoted is true.

I think the obversation that 97% of PWC operators give the rest a bad
reputation is absolutely true.


Well that was more of an admittedly funny line rather than a true
statement like mine was

Well I've ridden pwc's with six other riders in the last week or so,
two of us covered about 340 miles over this last weekend; any way,
none of the seven of us had any problems or conflicts of any kind with
any of our fellow boaters
on the last few rides, for what that's worth, if anything. We idled
through no-wake zones, gave
fishermen and everybody else wide berths, got stopped and checked by
state police and coast
guard officers who seemed impressed with our level of preparedness and
knowledgeability and treated
us with respect and friendliness as did all other fellow water-lovers
we encountered on these trips. On Saturday,
my friend and I rode from Jones Beach Inlet on Long Island, right
across the ocean to Barnegat Inlet where
we met another friend, a doctor who had just bought his new 'ski the
day before, the three of us rode the
backwaters of the bay to the Cape May Inlet and then back to Tom's
River where we overnighted before
riding back to L.I. early Sunday morning.....we spent the two days
just seeing sights (we were happy to see about a half-dozen dolphins
frollicking in the ocean near Seaside Heights), enjoying the sun,
swimming
and exploring, stops on beaches and the fun of cruising around, and
defnitely not conforming to some of you fellas' ideas about who
pwc'ers are or what we do. I guess myself and all the people I
ride with are in the 3% of good ones, or maybe that percentage is not
really accurate.

richforman

Well, like 84% of statistics, it was made up on the spot. ;-)

You know how it is; a few bad apples can spoil it for the whole bunch.
The bad ones are the ones that tend to stick in peoples' minds. Or
maybe y'all really are in the 3%. ;-)

Either way, keep up the good work.

DT

On May 26, 10:44 pm, Larry wrote:
"KLC Lewis" wrote innews:QYadnZhZ5uCEJsXbnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@centurytel .net:

You DO have the right to use your automobile on the public roadways,
and the right to use your boat on the public waterways, and the right
to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures in both cases. But
until the sheeple stand up for their rights en-masse, the nail that
stands up will be hammered down.

Try to explain that to the cop after you lost your license, not me...(c;

Larry
--

And drive perfectly, never to be justifiable cause for search and
siezure, fine by me. Get suspended and then drive into my resteraunt,
or stopped for speeding and its JAIL! Then it's pay back damages
including room and board at jail and fix my shop.

Terry K