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I recently brought mt boat into their Wrightsville Beach, SC facility
for repair. Their tech misdiagnosed the problem and replaced all my
fuel filters instead of finding the one bad fuel injector. Then they
wanted to rebuild or replace all the injectors and the injector pump,
so I pulled out and found someone else. What's interesting is the
letter I got from their service advisor after I complained about
spending over $200 and not having my boat fixed. He may not be much of
a service advisor, but he sure has a future in customer relations

"I apologize that you are not satisfied with the service you received
at Marinemax. I believe that you are not up set with the service you
received but instead what the service cost you. I hope that you think
back to our conversation on the dock. I never told you that all of
your injectors need to be replaced. I told you that you had two
injectors that where clogged and that we could have them rebuilt or
replaced, however I suggested to you that you rebuild or replace all
of the fuel injectors. I also suggested that you rebuild or replace
your fuel pump. If you remember when I finished explaining the problem
to you, I told you that I would give you a little time to think about
what course of action you wanted to take. I also offered to put you
on my dock for the night at no charge.

It is in poor character that you place an entry on the internet
giving partial details of what actually occurred. My tech also had
other boats to take care of and placed you at the top so that you
could continue your voyage. While I understand your complaint and
frustration, I believe that direction you are venting your frustration
is in the wrong direction.

As a fellow police officer I would expect that a retired police
officer would not jeopardize his integrity the way you have. It is
your choice to bad mouth MarineMax, the service advisor, and tech;
however I would think you would at least tell the truth. I know that
you are familiar with slander, and your dictation of the events that
occurred is just that, slander. Mr. XXXXX I hope that you will take
the time to learn your preventive maintenance schedule and follow it,
it will save you a tremendous amount of time, and money.

Mr. XXXXX, I also hope that your further posting paint the entire
truth. When you begin attacking honesty and integrity, search hard
and try to tell the truth. In your attempts to attack Marinemax, and
its employees, you are the one who lost out. I hope if the truth
finds its way on to your blogs, you have time left to repair what it
took a life time to build, HONESTY & INTEGRITY. GOOD LUCK IN YOUR
JOURNEY.

Service Advisor

MarineMax Wrightsville Beach"

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Exact same thing happened to a friend of mine with an old dodge truck. I'll
tell you the same thing I told him. It it is pretty common for most places
to service the complete set of injectors rather than fix one. It the same
in the auto world. Theory is that what happened to one is probably
happening to the others. Unless the engine has really low hours. Just
tearing into an injection fuel system can sometimes result in more clogged
injectors. Service centers have to plan repairs to reduce returns because a
returning customer is not a happy customer.

"Messing In Boats" wrote in message
ups.com...
I recently brought mt boat into their Wrightsville Beach, SC facility
for repair. Their tech misdiagnosed the problem and replaced all my
fuel filters instead of finding the one bad fuel injector. Then they
wanted to rebuild or replace all the injectors and the injector pump,
so I pulled out and found someone else. What's interesting is the
letter I got from their service advisor after I complained about
spending over $200 and not having my boat fixed. He may not be much of
a service advisor, but he sure has a future in customer relations

"I apologize that you are not satisfied with the service you received
at Marinemax. I believe that you are not up set with the service you
received but instead what the service cost you. I hope that you think
back to our conversation on the dock. I never told you that all of
your injectors need to be replaced. I told you that you had two
injectors that where clogged and that we could have them rebuilt or
replaced, however I suggested to you that you rebuild or replace all
of the fuel injectors. I also suggested that you rebuild or replace
your fuel pump. If you remember when I finished explaining the problem
to you, I told you that I would give you a little time to think about
what course of action you wanted to take. I also offered to put you
on my dock for the night at no charge.

It is in poor character that you place an entry on the internet
giving partial details of what actually occurred. My tech also had
other boats to take care of and placed you at the top so that you
could continue your voyage. While I understand your complaint and
frustration, I believe that direction you are venting your frustration
is in the wrong direction.

As a fellow police officer I would expect that a retired police
officer would not jeopardize his integrity the way you have. It is
your choice to bad mouth MarineMax, the service advisor, and tech;
however I would think you would at least tell the truth. I know that
you are familiar with slander, and your dictation of the events that
occurred is just that, slander. Mr. XXXXX I hope that you will take
the time to learn your preventive maintenance schedule and follow it,
it will save you a tremendous amount of time, and money.

Mr. XXXXX, I also hope that your further posting paint the entire
truth. When you begin attacking honesty and integrity, search hard
and try to tell the truth. In your attempts to attack Marinemax, and
its employees, you are the one who lost out. I hope if the truth
finds its way on to your blogs, you have time left to repair what it
took a life time to build, HONESTY & INTEGRITY. GOOD LUCK IN YOUR
JOURNEY.

Service Advisor

MarineMax Wrightsville Beach"

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I could be wrong but it sure sounds to me as though you could have been
misinterpreting excellent advice as an attempt to rip you off. If the
injectors are relatively low hours, maybe it was an anomaly. However, if
they looked at your filters (first thing to check and relatively low cost)
and other things and saw an engine that hadn't had much preventative care,
it would be very reasonable to suggest that the time it was starting to show
problems would be a good time to make everything right.

If they had just done the minimum and gotten you off their dock only to be
having more problems 50 miles later, what would you have been posting on
your web site?

--
Roger Long

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* Messing In Boats wrote, On 5/25/2007 5:43 AM:
I recently brought mt boat into their Wrightsville Beach, SC facility
for repair. Their tech misdiagnosed the problem and replaced all my
fuel filters instead of finding the one bad fuel injector. Then they
wanted to rebuild or replace all the injectors and the injector pump,
so I pulled out and found someone else...

Hmmm. Replace filters before pulling the injectors for testing. That
sounds reasonable. But why wouldn't you have done that yourself?
Rebuild all injectors once some of them show a problem? Maybe,
depends on the age.

It sounds to me like you didn't want to do the basic
maintenance/diagnostics and now you're complaining. FWIW, I've been
in exactly the same situation, and the moral I learned is that I
should be able to do almost all of the work on the boat. That way, I
don't pay someone else $200 to change a filter.

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On 25 May 2007 02:43:20 -0700, Messing In Boats
wrote:

I recently brought mt boat into their Wrightsville Beach, SC facility
for repair. Their tech misdiagnosed the problem and replaced all my
fuel filters instead of finding the one bad fuel injector. Then they
wanted to rebuild or replace all the injectors and the injector pump,
so I pulled out and found someone else

Well, let me say this.

When I had a bad injector in my FICHT, they replaced all of them and
the fuel pump.

And I can say that in the automotive world, it's not at all uncommon
to replace all the injectors if one goes bad.

I think you were off base on this one and owe them an apology.

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On May 25, 2:43?am, Messing In Boats wrote:
I recently brought mt boat into their Wrightsville Beach, SC facility
for repair. Their tech misdiagnosed the problem and replaced all my
fuel filters instead of finding the one bad fuel injector. Then they
wanted to rebuild or replace all the injectors and the injector pump,
so I pulled out and found someone else. What's interesting is the
letter I got from their service advisor after I complained about
spending over $200 and not having my boat fixed. He may not be much of
a service advisor, but he sure has a future in customer relations


Mr. XXXXX, I also hope that your further posting paint the entire
truth. When you begin attacking honesty and integrity, search hard
and try to tell the truth. In your attempts to attack Marinemax, and
its employees, you are the one who lost out. I hope if the truth
finds its way on to your blogs, you have time left to repair what it
took a life time to build, HONESTY & INTEGRITY. GOOD LUCK IN YOUR
JOURNEY.

Service Advisor

MarineMax Wrightsville Beach"

Customer relations?

Heck he's got a future as a regular poster to rec.boats. He's got all
the
basics down. You start with a disagreement over a technical issue and
then allow it to escalate to an exchange of nasty personal remarks. :-)

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Messing In Boats wrote in
ups.com:

As a fellow police officer I would expect that a retired police
officer would not jeopardize his integrity the way you have. It is
your choice to bad mouth MarineMax, the service advisor, and tech;
however I would think you would at least tell the truth. I know that
you are familiar with slander, and your dictation of the events that
occurred is just that, slander. Mr. XXXXX I hope that you will take
the time to learn your preventive maintenance schedule and follow it,
it will save you a tremendous amount of time, and money.



Sea Ray of Charleston also threatened me, right in front of witnesses,
that if I didn't stop posting all the problems I had with my POS Sea Ray
Sea Rayder, rotting seats made with open foam and cotton backed vinyl,
panels leaking brown gook out behind them because the packing box board
they were mounted on was rotting in the wet cotton batting used for
padding, and many other miseries, If I didn't stop reporting it, I was no
longer welcome in Sea Ray of Charleston.

I told him....in front of the same witnesses....to kiss my ass.....

They think everyone should kiss their corporate asses....


Larry
--
Grade School Physics Factoid:
A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
skilled demolition.

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On May 25, 7:51 am, Jeff wrote:
* Messing In Boats wrote, On 5/25/2007 5:43 AM:

I recently brought mt boat into their Wrightsville Beach, SC facility
for repair. Their tech misdiagnosed the problem and replaced all my
fuel filters instead of finding the one bad fuel injector. Then they
wanted to rebuild or replace all the injectors and the injector pump,
so I pulled out and found someone else...

Hmmm. Replace filters before pulling the injectors for testing. That
sounds reasonable. But why wouldn't you have done that yourself?
Rebuild all injectors once some of them show a problem? Maybe,
depends on the age.

It sounds to me like you didn't want to do the basic
maintenance/diagnostics and now you're complaining. FWIW, I've been
in exactly the same situation, and the moral I learned is that I
should be able to do almost all of the work on the boat. That way, I
don't pay someone else $200 to change a filter.

I agree on that one. If you're doing the work yourself then it is
more of an option to just replace a couple of bad injectors and see
how it goes. Knwoing that you can stick a couple more in if needed.
Worst thing about injectors is pulling them as they are usually in
there pretty good. Shop can't afford to take that approach.

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jamesgangnc wrote in
oups.com:

Worst thing about injectors is pulling them as they are usually in
there pretty good.

Huh? Some unscrew like a spark plug. Others have two bolts holding down a
holder bar like our Perkins. You'll need a socket and open end wrench to
get the line off it. It helps if an intake or exhaust valve is open...(c;

Larry
--
Grade School Physics Factoid:
A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
skilled demolition.

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Messing In Boats wrote in
ups.com:

As a fellow police officer I would expect that a
snip
On May 25, 4:20 pm, Larry wrote:
snip
They think everyone should kiss their corporate asses....

Larry
--
Most Marine stores think of themselves as a;
Luxury Market.

If they ONCE catch you buying anything at full price from them,
they will forever class you as a GentileMan and expect you to
want full service and first class treatment forever and anon.
If you ever question a price or service, you will fall from grace
in their eyes [they still see you as Gentile, can't 'do it yourself',
or search for reasonable prices elsewhere, but now you are a
pauper in that situation and they can treat you with the same
Disdain that the still-well-to-do treat them with.]

But then, if you Can't do-it-yourself, then I suppose you Will
Have to "kiss their Corporate Asses", or grease your own...

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Larry,

Good to see you participating again.

On a less positive note, I'll guess you've never pulled a set of diesel
injectors. More often than not they don't just pop right out.

If they are really "in there" the only way to remove them is to loosen the
mounting hardware a skosh and crnk the engine in hopes that the compression
pressures will knock them loose. Do not, repeat, do not remove the mounting
hardware before cranking the engine. An injector flying through the air is
just like a missle and quite as deadly.

Butch
"Larry" wrote in message
...
jamesgangnc wrote in
oups.com:

Worst thing about injectors is pulling them as they are usually in
there pretty good.

Huh? Some unscrew like a spark plug. Others have two bolts holding down
a
holder bar like our Perkins. You'll need a socket and open end wrench to
get the line off it. It helps if an intake or exhaust valve is open...(c;

Larry
--
Grade School Physics Factoid:
A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
skilled demolition.

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* Butch Davis wrote, On 5/26/2007 10:05 AM:

If they are really "in there" the only way to remove them is to loosen the
mounting hardware a skosh and crnk the engine in hopes that the compression
pressures will knock them loose. Do not, repeat, do not remove the mounting
hardware before cranking the engine. An injector flying through the air is
just like a missle and quite as deadly.


But if you do loosen the mounting hardware and then decide not to pull
them, remember to tighten again. Only an idiot would forget to do
that. Don't ask me how I know.

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On Sat, 26 May 2007 03:22:11 +0000, Larry wrote:

Grade School Physics Factoid:
A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
skilled demolition.

Civil Engineering Graduate School Fact:

For a tall building to collapse on its footprint, the central support
column should be gravity load bearing and the edge columns should
provide the wind resistance structure . Like, oh, the World Trade
towers.

Gravity overload pulls out the center column fixings, while the edge
columns provide precision collapse guidance.

How 'bout that!

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

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"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 May 2007 03:22:11 +0000, Larry wrote:

Grade School Physics Factoid:
A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
skilled demolition.

Civil Engineering Graduate School Fact:

For a tall building to collapse on its footprint, the central support
column should be gravity load bearing and the edge columns should
provide the wind resistance structure . Like, oh, the World Trade
towers.

Gravity overload pulls out the center column fixings, while the edge
columns provide precision collapse guidance.

How 'bout that!

Brian Whatcott Altus OK


Not for nothing, but the central support columnS (multiple) were not even
touched by the planes.

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In rec.boats KLC Lewis wrote:


:Not for nothing, but the central support columnS (multiple) were not even
:touched by the planes.

The towers fell down due to fire damage, not because of the impacts.

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On May 27, 7:38 pm, David Scheidt wrote:
In rec.boats KLC Lewis wrote:

:Not for nothing, but the central support columnS (multiple) were not even
:touched by the planes.

The towers fell down due to fire damage, not because of the impacts.

You are wasting your breath David.

Such retards think a demolition team wired the twin towers, flew
planes into them and tried to trick them into thinking it was a
terriorist attack so George Bush could invade Iraq. They think there
are 100's of Americans (that's how many it would take to plan and pull
off such a demolition) all keeping quiet about the mass murder of over
3000 fellow Americans. Not to mention the supposed missle flying into
the Pentagon and the crash in PA.

They are pathetic and discrace the murder victims who died at the
hands of Ossama Bin Ladens AlQueida terriorists. They would rather
blame thier fellow Americans.

Joe

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"David Scheidt" wrote in message
...
In rec.boats KLC Lewis wrote:


:Not for nothing, but the central support columnS (multiple) were not even
:touched by the planes.

The towers fell down due to fire damage, not because of the impacts.


If you say so.

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"David Scheidt" wrote in message
...
In rec.boats KLC Lewis wrote:


:Not for nothing, but the central support columnS (multiple) were not even
:touched by the planes.

The towers fell down due to fire damage, not because of the impacts.


What about Building 7? Fire caused that one to fall down too?

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"David Scheidt" wrote in message
...
In rec.boats KLC Lewis wrote:


:Not for nothing, but the central support columnS (multiple) were not
even
:touched by the planes.

The towers fell down due to fire damage, not because of the impacts.


What about Building 7? Fire caused that one to fall down too?


Another retard for you, Joe! Typical product of a liberal education
system.

Wilbur Hubbard.

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Joe wrote in news:1180313826.566640.183070
@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

Such retards think a demolition team wired the twin towers, flew
planes into them and tried to trick them into thinking it was a
terriorist attack so George Bush could invade Iraq. They think there
are 100's of Americans (that's how many it would take to plan and pull
off such a demolition) all keeping quiet about the mass murder of over
3000 fellow Americans. Not to mention the supposed missle flying into
the Pentagon and the crash in PA.


Around 3 weeks prior to the "attack", for the first time in their
history, the World Trade Center towers, including Building 7 you all seem
to forget so conveniently, were CLOSED for "network cable installations".
Many of the towers office inhabitants also reported hearing jackhammers
running on floors of the towers they knew were uninhabited for weeks
before the attack. The vacant floors and rental problems were more than
enough reason to want to destroy them. They were losing vast sums of
money from unrented floors....too expensive, even for New Yorkers.

Never before in the history of the towers were they ever closed up tight,
even when vast contractors were installing many cables in the past....

Your not curious why??

Also curious, Joe, is the very low number of Jewish funerals that took
place, as noted by several black organizations doing their own
investigations. There's a YouTube documentary about it, too. In a
building very heavily populated with Jewish businesses manned by Jewish
people, diamond merchants, banking, stock market firms, gold merchants,
aren't you even a little curious why on a single day so few of them came
to work to die with the rest of the people in the building? Were they
warned? Some day, we'll find out, I hope. The families of other
murdered people deserve to know, don't you think? (You can now call me
an antisemite for saying Jew on the internet. I don't care, one way or
the other.)

Larry
--
What country had the most to gain by angering America into attacking
Arabs and Iranians? Think about it.....

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Larry wrote:
Joe wrote in news:1180313826.566640.183070
@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

Such retards think a demolition team wired the twin towers, flew
planes into them and tried to trick them into thinking it was a
terriorist attack so George Bush could invade Iraq. They think there
are 100's of Americans (that's how many it would take to plan and pull
off such a demolition) all keeping quiet about the mass murder of over
3000 fellow Americans. Not to mention the supposed missle flying into
the Pentagon and the crash in PA.


Around 3 weeks prior to the "attack", for the first time in their
history, the World Trade Center towers, including Building 7 you all seem
to forget so conveniently, were CLOSED for "network cable installations".
Many of the towers office inhabitants also reported hearing jackhammers
running on floors of the towers they knew were uninhabited for weeks
before the attack. The vacant floors and rental problems were more than
enough reason to want to destroy them. They were losing vast sums of
money from unrented floors....too expensive, even for New Yorkers.

Never before in the history of the towers were they ever closed up tight,
even when vast contractors were installing many cables in the past....

Your not curious why??

Also curious, Joe, is the very low number of Jewish funerals that took
place, as noted by several black organizations doing their own
investigations. There's a YouTube documentary about it, too. In a
building very heavily populated with Jewish businesses manned by Jewish
people, diamond merchants, banking, stock market firms, gold merchants,
aren't you even a little curious why on a single day so few of them came
to work to die with the rest of the people in the building? Were they
warned? Some day, we'll find out, I hope. The families of other
murdered people deserve to know, don't you think? (You can now call me
an antisemite for saying Jew on the internet. I don't care, one way or
the other.)

Larry


Yep, it's the Jew-hating, Crazy Larry of old, back to haunt us.

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On 27 May 2007 17:57:06 -0700, Joe wrote:

On May 27, 7:38 pm, David Scheidt wrote:
In rec.boats KLC Lewis wrote:

:Not for nothing, but the central support columnS (multiple) were not even
:touched by the planes.

The towers fell down due to fire damage, not because of the impacts.

You are wasting your breath David.

Such retards think a demolition team wired the twin towers, flew
planes into them and tried to trick them into thinking it was a
terriorist attack so George Bush could invade Iraq. They think there
are 100's of Americans (that's how many it would take to plan and pull
off such a demolition) all keeping quiet about the mass murder of over
3000 fellow Americans. Not to mention the supposed missle flying into
the Pentagon and the crash in PA.

They are pathetic and discrace the murder victims who died at the
hands of Ossama Bin Ladens AlQueida terriorists. They would rather
blame thier fellow Americans.

Joe

I wonder whether the Conspiracy Theorists have any concept of the size
and cost of the conspiracy they envision.

Example: Disregard for a moment the hundreds of actual participants in
the actual mining of the towers projected by the theorists.

I was in somebody's office waiting to make a presentation about two
years after the disaster, and glanced through an issue of one of the
Civil Engineering trade magazines that had a rather detailed account
of the study done on the towers to establish exactly why they fell
down. the study was made with the idea that possibly engineering codes
might need to be changed.

As I say, I only glanced through the issue but the findings seemed to
be that fires fueled by the airplanes being nearly full of fuel and at
least one of the towers had a large diesel tank for back-up generators
that also ruptured were the cause of failure to the steel and concrete
structure.

My point is that in addition to covering up the actual sabotage of the
towers envisioned by the Theorists the people responsible would have
to be controlling peer reviewed publications for years after the
event.

Given that the cover up of the "My Lai incident", which caused the
death of a relatively few people when viewed in the context of 9/11,
didn't work it is unrealistic to believe that the theorists
explanation is logical.


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

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On Mon, 28 May 2007 09:22:39 +0700, Bruce
wrote:


Given that the cover up of the "My Lai incident", which caused the
death of a relatively few people when viewed in the context of 9/11,
didn't work it is unrealistic to believe that the theorists
explanation is logical.

That's basically what makes all these conspiracy theories fall apart:
Not one credible conspirator ever comes to light.
Same with all the JFK conspiracy crap.
At least on that one lots of con men made some money selling books,
docus and movies to the dupes.
Remember that character who claimed to be Howard Hughes heir?
Said he gave Hughes a ride once, or lent him a dime for a phone call
when Howard's car had broke down, so old Howard left him his fortune.
When I saw that first pop up in the newspapers, I thought what a load
of bs. Visited my Dad that night and damned if he wasn't talking
about how lucky that guy was, and wishing he'd been the one to give
old Howard a ride or lend him a dime that night. LOL.
The 9/11 conspiracy bs is such bs I don't think much money can be
made.
No way Larry is gonna spend a dime on this stuff.
But anybody who would even bother downloading a movie taped
from under the shirt of somebody in the audience is suspect.
Imagine watching that crap, seeing a grainy movie that includes people
returning with their popcorn in the frame, and the occasional chest
hair flashing across the screen. Jesus H. Christ!
So you never know.

--Vic

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HK wrote in
:

Yep, it's the Jew-hating, Crazy Larry of old, back to haunt us.



Anytime someone questions their Wall or genocide....**** happens.

Larry
--
Grade School Physics Factoid:
A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
skilled demolition.

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On Mon, 28 May 2007 05:14:42 +0000, Larry wrote:

HK wrote in
:

Yep, it's the Jew-hating, Crazy Larry of old, back to haunt us.



Anytime someone questions their Wall or genocide....**** happens.

Larry

Larry, I'm old enough that I watched the new reel films of the
liberation of some of the camps. I read the photo essays published in
the news magazines at the time the camps were liberated. Do you really
believe that all that stuff was faked?

Do you believe that the numerous WW-II "war criminal" trials were
faked? If it was all a conspiracy then why was the only rational
defense ever offered by the defendants "they ordered me"; "I was only
obeying orders"; "it wasn't me, it was somebody else". Nobody ever
offered, "it never happened" as a defense.

I believe that one of the burdens placed on the prosecution in all
western nations is to prove that a crime actually has been committed.
Yet, in none of the trials, that I have read about, has there been any
mention that the prosecution could not prove the crime had been
committed.

If you want to argue about numbers then you may have a viable argument
but to argue that a significant number of jews, as well as other Nazi
decreed undesirables, were not killed in the camps simply doesn't
stand on its own two feet unless you first offer proof that a
significant amount of the news published at the time was faked.


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

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Bruce wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2007 05:14:42 +0000, Larry wrote:

HK wrote in
:

Yep, it's the Jew-hating, Crazy Larry of old, back to haunt us.


Anytime someone questions their Wall or genocide....**** happens.

Larry

Larry, I'm old enough that I watched the new reel films of the
liberation of some of the camps. I read the photo essays published in
the news magazines at the time the camps were liberated. Do you really
believe that all that stuff was faked?

Do you believe that the numerous WW-II "war criminal" trials were
faked? If it was all a conspiracy then why was the only rational
defense ever offered by the defendants "they ordered me"; "I was only
obeying orders"; "it wasn't me, it was somebody else". Nobody ever
offered, "it never happened" as a defense.

I believe that one of the burdens placed on the prosecution in all
western nations is to prove that a crime actually has been committed.
Yet, in none of the trials, that I have read about, has there been any
mention that the prosecution could not prove the crime had been
committed.

If you want to argue about numbers then you may have a viable argument
but to argue that a significant number of jews, as well as other Nazi
decreed undesirables, were not killed in the camps simply doesn't
stand on its own two feet unless you first offer proof that a
significant amount of the news published at the time was faked.


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)



Larry is psychotic, Bruce. Therefore, you are wasting your time
discussing reality with him.

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On Sun, 27 May 2007 20:05:41 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:


"David Scheidt" wrote in message
...
In rec.boats KLC Lewis wrote:


:Not for nothing, but the central support columnS (multiple) were not even
:touched by the planes.

The towers fell down due to fire damage, not because of the impacts.

If you say so.

People like you are too stupid to live.

How ever have you managed to make it as long as you have?

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"Duke Nukem" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 May 2007 20:05:41 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:


"David Scheidt" wrote in message
...
In rec.boats KLC Lewis wrote:


:Not for nothing, but the central support columnS (multiple) were not
even
:touched by the planes.

The towers fell down due to fire damage, not because of the impacts.

If you say so.

People like you are too stupid to live.

How ever have you managed to make it as long as you have?

Just blind luck, apparently.

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On Sun, 27 May 2007 20:09:01 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:

What about Building 7? Fire caused that one to fall down too?

Building 7 contained a command center for the City of New York as well
as a number of large data centers and trading floors. All of them had
stand by diesel generators and large amounts of stored diesel fuel.
The building interior caught fire from flaming debris when the north
tower came down. Eventually the stored diesel fuel caught fire also
which overwhelmed the steel skeletal structure.

MarineMax service
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2007 20:09:01 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:

What about Building 7? Fire caused that one to fall down too?

Building 7 contained a command center for the City of New York as well
as a number of large data centers and trading floors. All of them had
stand by diesel generators and large amounts of stored diesel fuel.
The building interior caught fire from flaming debris when the north
tower came down. Eventually the stored diesel fuel caught fire also
which overwhelmed the steel skeletal structure.


Total BS!!!!!!!!
The truth is that Mars is experiencing global warming. Their seas are
overwhelming the continents and so they decided to test us with possible
conquest in mind. However, when they found out the mighty fighting demos
were in charge, they decided to leave before they got slapped down by a
wet noodle. Saved again!! Thank you Bill and Hilary!
They also got a copy of Gores book so they can go back and save Mars.
Yea Al!
They also heard about all John Edwards ambulance chasing and doctor
lawsuits and that really scared them! Yea JE!
And the final straw was a picture of the shrub and his vp!

Yeah, I'm kinda bored today.
Gordon

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 May 2007 20:09:01 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:

What about Building 7? Fire caused that one to fall down too?

Building 7 contained a command center for the City of New York as well
as a number of large data centers and trading floors. All of them had
stand by diesel generators and large amounts of stored diesel fuel.
The building interior caught fire from flaming debris when the north
tower came down. Eventually the stored diesel fuel caught fire also
which overwhelmed the steel skeletal structure.


Diesel fuel burns at temperatures high enough to soften steel and cause
buildings to fall into their own footprints? From now on, I weld with
diesel.

MarineMax service
 

Bruce wrote in
:

On Mon, 28 May 2007 05:14:42 +0000, Larry wrote:

HK wrote in
m:

Yep, it's the Jew-hating, Crazy Larry of old, back to haunt us.



Anytime someone questions their Wall or genocide....**** happens.

Larry

Larry, I'm old enough that I watched the new reel films of the
liberation of some of the camps. I read the photo essays published in
the news magazines at the time the camps were liberated. Do you really
believe that all that stuff was faked?

While this thread has nothing to do with WW2 and is about CURRENT ISRAELI
influence in my government, we always bring up The Holocaust. The WALL
is TODAY separating Palestinians from the land The State of Israeli wants
to separate them from. It has nothing to do with WW2, Nazis, Auchwitz,
which is used, always, to deflect attention away from starving
Palestinian children and Israeli genocide going on TODAY. The only thing
this has to do with the Jewish religion is the fact that Israel is an
APARTHEID state, which the world in all other places has said is an
abomination, itself. WW2 was a long time ago. My comments here are
about CURRENT EVENTS...9/11, Iraqi and Afghan wars, and the reason
America attacked Israel's enemies....not ours.

I believe that one of the burdens placed on the prosecution in all
western nations is to prove that a crime actually has been committed.
Yet, in none of the trials, that I have read about, has there been any
mention that the prosecution could not prove the crime had been
committed.


This paragraph wasn't aimed at current events, but I find it relevant to
this discussion. No prosecutions will take place over the events of 9/11
because NO INVESTIGATIONS WERE ALLOWED! Why? Why have all the
architectural investigators been repelled from inspecting the steel that
was so RUSHED AWAY and SCATTERED across the planet? What are they
hiding? Look at any of the investigations of the aftermath. We were in
a terrible hurry to dispose of all evidence of the towers, the pentagon,
the plane parts in Pennsylvania....so that no forensics could ever be
done on the parts that may reveal any kind of hanky-panky going on to
cause them. Why? What was their hurry? It was 4000F in the basement of
the towers. The firefighters' shoes melted! They certainly weren't
looking for survivors! Why the rush? Why couldn't we even let the
rubble COOL? Again, what were we HIDING? The civil and building
engineers begged them to let them figure out the REAL reason for the
collapses. They also were interested in why a huge commercial jet with
9000+ pounds of human body parts, huge loads of freight, seats, massive
jet engines, monsterous wheels and carriages, some with exotic metals
that take 6000F to melt them....could fit through a 16' hole in the
pentagon and simply VANISH! How did the wings fold up flat, then
vaporize? Why did it EXPLODE, not burn like thousands of gallons of jet
fuel does for DAYS AND DAYS in other jet plane crashes? Where'd the
plane go at the pentagon??

So, with all the evidence rushed off, some within minutes of the event by
government bureaucrats in long lines on the lawn of the Pentagon, there
can be no proper forensic investigations, no prosecutions, no trial by
our peers, NADA. Every other crime scene is secured to prevent
tampering, massive evidence collected and analyzed, THEN the site
removed. Why not the ones on 9/11?? What are they HIDING?....in that
big blue box the Air Force enlisted people hauled off under a blue tarp
at the Pentagon? Where'd it go??

Larry
--
Don't turn it into a Holocaust deflection. Watch the movies:
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Israeli+Wall
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Mossad+and+9-11
Never accept what you are told...by anyone. Investigate for yourself.
Sigmund Freud would be very proud his ideas have been so successful in
dealing with the masses....The Propaganda Ministry has moved across the
Atlantic since 1945.

MarineMax service
 

Larry wrote:


So, with all the evidence rushed off, some within minutes of the event by
government bureaucrats in long lines on the lawn of the Pentagon, there
can be no proper forensic investigations, no prosecutions, no trial by
our peers, NADA. Every other crime scene is secured to prevent
tampering, massive evidence collected and analyzed, THEN the site
removed. Why not the ones on 9/11?? What are they HIDING?....in that
big blue box the Air Force enlisted people hauled off under a blue tarp
at the Pentagon? Where'd it go??

Larry

The answer is obvious. Under that blue tarp are all the psychotropic
drugs you were supposed to be taking all these years to control your
mental illnesses.

MarineMax service
 

On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:31 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:

Diesel fuel burns at temperatures high enough to soften steel and cause
buildings to fall into their own footprints? From now on, I weld with
diesel.

You can believe what you want, and weld with it also, but diesel will
definitely burn hot enough to weaken steel. There have been numerous
incidents where tanker trucks have caught fire following an accident
and caused the structural collapse of a highway overpass.

MarineMax service
 

On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:31 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 27 May 2007 20:09:01 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:

What about Building 7? Fire caused that one to fall down too?

Building 7 contained a command center for the City of New York as well
as a number of large data centers and trading floors. All of them had
stand by diesel generators and large amounts of stored diesel fuel.
The building interior caught fire from flaming debris when the north
tower came down. Eventually the stored diesel fuel caught fire also
which overwhelmed the steel skeletal structure.

Diesel fuel burns at temperatures high enough to soften steel and cause
buildings to fall into their own footprints? From now on, I weld with
diesel.

Assuming that you actually know how to weld and actually have a little
knowledge of metalurgy (which is highly suspect) then you should be
more than aware of exactly how high temperatures can get in enclosed
spaces when subjected to large volumes of heat generated by a large
volume of fuel. Ask a fire fighter sometime about how steel beams
bend when subjected to temperatures much lower than that produced by
diesel fuel. It's not a question of melting - it's a question of
weakening the steel - you aren't talking about hardened steel, but
mild steel. Once the heating and stress process starts, the failure
possibilities escalate exponentially.

As to welding, did you know that you can weld with gun powder? Of
course you didn't.

Nothing will stop the "Truthers" led by that illiterate moron Dylan
"Loose Brain" Avery whose only qualification engineering wise is the
fact that his knuckles don't drag on the ground when he walks.

Morons.

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On Mon, 28 May 2007 20:14:09 GMT, Duke Nukem
wrote:



As to welding, did you know that you can weld with gun powder? Of
course you didn't.

Modern Marvels showed an episode on explosive welding a couple weeks
ago. Cool. Most every production welder I've known was probably dead
of lung cancer by age 60. I used to operate Linde 8-torch cutters at
IH tractor works. Would take a 2-week vacation fishing in Wisconsin
and still cough up black crap coming home. Lucky I only did that job
for 2 years.

--Vic

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:31 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:

Diesel fuel burns at temperatures high enough to soften steel and cause
buildings to fall into their own footprints? From now on, I weld with
diesel.

You can believe what you want, and weld with it also, but diesel will
definitely burn hot enough to weaken steel. There have been numerous
incidents where tanker trucks have caught fire following an accident
and caused the structural collapse of a highway overpass.


Hiway overpasses built of steel reinforced concrete, that is. Not exactly
the same thing is it?

MarineMax service
 

"Duke Nukem" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:31 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 27 May 2007 20:09:01 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:

What about Building 7? Fire caused that one to fall down too?

Building 7 contained a command center for the City of New York as well
as a number of large data centers and trading floors. All of them had
stand by diesel generators and large amounts of stored diesel fuel.
The building interior caught fire from flaming debris when the north
tower came down. Eventually the stored diesel fuel caught fire also
which overwhelmed the steel skeletal structure.

Diesel fuel burns at temperatures high enough to soften steel and cause
buildings to fall into their own footprints? From now on, I weld with
diesel.

Assuming that you actually know how to weld and actually have a little
knowledge of metalurgy (which is highly suspect) then you should be
more than aware of exactly how high temperatures can get in enclosed
spaces when subjected to large volumes of heat generated by a large
volume of fuel. Ask a fire fighter sometime about how steel beams
bend when subjected to temperatures much lower than that produced by
diesel fuel. It's not a question of melting - it's a question of
weakening the steel - you aren't talking about hardened steel, but
mild steel. Once the heating and stress process starts, the failure
possibilities escalate exponentially.

As to welding, did you know that you can weld with gun powder? Of
course you didn't.

Nothing will stop the "Truthers" led by that illiterate moron Dylan
"Loose Brain" Avery whose only qualification engineering wise is the
fact that his knuckles don't drag on the ground when he walks.

Morons.

Dylan who?

I weld stick, mig, and tig, mild steels and stainless. Haven't gotten around
to aluminum yet. Why my welding should be "highly suspect" is beyond me,
other than as an ad hominem attack.

Isolated fires in three buildings would not be sufficient to utterly destroy
all three of those buildings, causing each and every one of them to collapse
in upon themselves in exactly the same way as with controlled demolition. It
had never happened before in the history of steel buildings, then suddenly
it happens three times in one day? Puh-leeeeese!

MarineMax service
 

"Larry" wrote in message
...

This paragraph wasn't aimed at current events, but I find it relevant to
this discussion. No prosecutions will take place over the events of 9/11
because NO INVESTIGATIONS WERE ALLOWED! Why? Why have all the
architectural investigators been repelled from inspecting the steel that
was so RUSHED AWAY and SCATTERED across the planet? What are they
hiding? Look at any of the investigations of the aftermath. We were in
a terrible hurry to dispose of all evidence of the towers, the pentagon,
the plane parts in Pennsylvania....so that no forensics could ever be
done on the parts that may reveal any kind of hanky-panky going on to
cause them. Why? What was their hurry? It was 4000F in the basement of
the towers. The firefighters' shoes melted! They certainly weren't
looking for survivors! Why the rush? Why couldn't we even let the
rubble COOL? Again, what were we HIDING? The civil and building
engineers begged them to let them figure out the REAL reason for the
collapses. They also were interested in why a huge commercial jet with
9000+ pounds of human body parts, huge loads of freight, seats, massive
jet engines, monsterous wheels and carriages, some with exotic metals
that take 6000F to melt them....could fit through a 16' hole in the
pentagon and simply VANISH! How did the wings fold up flat, then
vaporize? Why did it EXPLODE, not burn like thousands of gallons of jet
fuel does for DAYS AND DAYS in other jet plane crashes? Where'd the
plane go at the pentagon??

So, with all the evidence rushed off, some within minutes of the event by
government bureaucrats in long lines on the lawn of the Pentagon, there
can be no proper forensic investigations, no prosecutions, no trial by
our peers, NADA. Every other crime scene is secured to prevent
tampering, massive evidence collected and analyzed, THEN the site
removed. Why not the ones on 9/11?? What are they HIDING?....in that
big blue box the Air Force enlisted people hauled off under a blue tarp
at the Pentagon? Where'd it go??

Larry
--
Don't turn it into a Holocaust deflection. Watch the movies:
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Israeli+Wall
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Mossad+and+9-11
Never accept what you are told...by anyone. Investigate for yourself.
Sigmund Freud would be very proud his ideas have been so successful in
dealing with the masses....The Propaganda Ministry has moved across the
Atlantic since 1945.


We don't need no stinkin' investigations. We know what happened, because
Bush told us.

MarineMax service
 

On Mon, 28 May 2007 18:09:08 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:


"Larry" wrote in message
.. .

This paragraph wasn't aimed at current events, but I find it relevant to
this discussion. No prosecutions will take place over the events of 9/11
because NO INVESTIGATIONS WERE ALLOWED! Why? Why have all the
architectural investigators been repelled from inspecting the steel that
was so RUSHED AWAY and SCATTERED across the planet? What are they
hiding? Look at any of the investigations of the aftermath. We were in
a terrible hurry to dispose of all evidence of the towers, the pentagon,
the plane parts in Pennsylvania....so that no forensics could ever be
done on the parts that may reveal any kind of hanky-panky going on to
cause them. Why? What was their hurry? It was 4000F in the basement of
the towers. The firefighters' shoes melted! They certainly weren't
looking for survivors! Why the rush? Why couldn't we even let the
rubble COOL? Again, what were we HIDING? The civil and building
engineers begged them to let them figure out the REAL reason for the
collapses. They also were interested in why a huge commercial jet with
9000+ pounds of human body parts, huge loads of freight, seats, massive
jet engines, monsterous wheels and carriages, some with exotic metals
that take 6000F to melt them....could fit through a 16' hole in the
pentagon and simply VANISH! How did the wings fold up flat, then
vaporize? Why did it EXPLODE, not burn like thousands of gallons of jet
fuel does for DAYS AND DAYS in other jet plane crashes? Where'd the
plane go at the pentagon??

So, with all the evidence rushed off, some within minutes of the event by
government bureaucrats in long lines on the lawn of the Pentagon, there
can be no proper forensic investigations, no prosecutions, no trial by
our peers, NADA. Every other crime scene is secured to prevent
tampering, massive evidence collected and analyzed, THEN the site
removed. Why not the ones on 9/11?? What are they HIDING?....in that
big blue box the Air Force enlisted people hauled off under a blue tarp
at the Pentagon? Where'd it go??

Larry
--
Don't turn it into a Holocaust deflection. Watch the movies:
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Israeli+Wall
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Mossad+and+9-11
Never accept what you are told...by anyone. Investigate for yourself.
Sigmund Freud would be very proud his ideas have been so successful in
dealing with the masses....The Propaganda Ministry has moved across the
Atlantic since 1945.


We don't need no stinkin' investigations. We know what happened, because
Bush told us.

Ever hear the joke about the two morons talking to each other?

Neither moron knew what the other moron was talking about.

Morons.