In rec.boats KLC Lewis wrote:


:Not for nothing, but the central support columnS (multiple) were not even
:touched by the planes.

The towers fell down due to fire damage, not because of the impacts.

On May 27, 7:38 pm, David Scheidt wrote:
In rec.boats KLC Lewis wrote:

:Not for nothing, but the central support columnS (multiple) were not even
:touched by the planes.

The towers fell down due to fire damage, not because of the impacts.

You are wasting your breath David.

Such retards think a demolition team wired the twin towers, flew
planes into them and tried to trick them into thinking it was a
terriorist attack so George Bush could invade Iraq. They think there
are 100's of Americans (that's how many it would take to plan and pull
off such a demolition) all keeping quiet about the mass murder of over
3000 fellow Americans. Not to mention the supposed missle flying into
the Pentagon and the crash in PA.

They are pathetic and discrace the murder victims who died at the
hands of Ossama Bin Ladens AlQueida terriorists. They would rather
blame thier fellow Americans.

Joe

Joe wrote in news:1180313826.566640.183070
@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

Such retards think a demolition team wired the twin towers, flew
planes into them and tried to trick them into thinking it was a
terriorist attack so George Bush could invade Iraq. They think there
are 100's of Americans (that's how many it would take to plan and pull
off such a demolition) all keeping quiet about the mass murder of over
3000 fellow Americans. Not to mention the supposed missle flying into
the Pentagon and the crash in PA.


Around 3 weeks prior to the "attack", for the first time in their
history, the World Trade Center towers, including Building 7 you all seem
to forget so conveniently, were CLOSED for "network cable installations".
Many of the towers office inhabitants also reported hearing jackhammers
running on floors of the towers they knew were uninhabited for weeks
before the attack. The vacant floors and rental problems were more than
enough reason to want to destroy them. They were losing vast sums of
money from unrented floors....too expensive, even for New Yorkers.

Never before in the history of the towers were they ever closed up tight,
even when vast contractors were installing many cables in the past....

Your not curious why??

Also curious, Joe, is the very low number of Jewish funerals that took
place, as noted by several black organizations doing their own
investigations. There's a YouTube documentary about it, too. In a
building very heavily populated with Jewish businesses manned by Jewish
people, diamond merchants, banking, stock market firms, gold merchants,
aren't you even a little curious why on a single day so few of them came
to work to die with the rest of the people in the building? Were they
warned? Some day, we'll find out, I hope. The families of other
murdered people deserve to know, don't you think? (You can now call me
an antisemite for saying Jew on the internet. I don't care, one way or
the other.)

Larry
--
What country had the most to gain by angering America into attacking
Arabs and Iranians? Think about it.....

Larry wrote:
Joe wrote in news:1180313826.566640.183070
@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

Such retards think a demolition team wired the twin towers, flew
planes into them and tried to trick them into thinking it was a
terriorist attack so George Bush could invade Iraq. They think there
are 100's of Americans (that's how many it would take to plan and pull
off such a demolition) all keeping quiet about the mass murder of over
3000 fellow Americans. Not to mention the supposed missle flying into
the Pentagon and the crash in PA.


Around 3 weeks prior to the "attack", for the first time in their
history, the World Trade Center towers, including Building 7 you all seem
to forget so conveniently, were CLOSED for "network cable installations".
Many of the towers office inhabitants also reported hearing jackhammers
running on floors of the towers they knew were uninhabited for weeks
before the attack. The vacant floors and rental problems were more than
enough reason to want to destroy them. They were losing vast sums of
money from unrented floors....too expensive, even for New Yorkers.

Never before in the history of the towers were they ever closed up tight,
even when vast contractors were installing many cables in the past....

Your not curious why??

Also curious, Joe, is the very low number of Jewish funerals that took
place, as noted by several black organizations doing their own
investigations. There's a YouTube documentary about it, too. In a
building very heavily populated with Jewish businesses manned by Jewish
people, diamond merchants, banking, stock market firms, gold merchants,
aren't you even a little curious why on a single day so few of them came
to work to die with the rest of the people in the building? Were they
warned? Some day, we'll find out, I hope. The families of other
murdered people deserve to know, don't you think? (You can now call me
an antisemite for saying Jew on the internet. I don't care, one way or
the other.)

Larry


Yep, it's the Jew-hating, Crazy Larry of old, back to haunt us.

HK wrote in
:

Yep, it's the Jew-hating, Crazy Larry of old, back to haunt us.



Anytime someone questions their Wall or genocide....**** happens.

Larry
--
Grade School Physics Factoid:
A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
skilled demolition.

On Mon, 28 May 2007 05:14:42 +0000, Larry wrote:

HK wrote in
:

Yep, it's the Jew-hating, Crazy Larry of old, back to haunt us.



Anytime someone questions their Wall or genocide....**** happens.

Larry

Larry, I'm old enough that I watched the new reel films of the
liberation of some of the camps. I read the photo essays published in
the news magazines at the time the camps were liberated. Do you really
believe that all that stuff was faked?

Do you believe that the numerous WW-II "war criminal" trials were
faked? If it was all a conspiracy then why was the only rational
defense ever offered by the defendants "they ordered me"; "I was only
obeying orders"; "it wasn't me, it was somebody else". Nobody ever
offered, "it never happened" as a defense.

I believe that one of the burdens placed on the prosecution in all
western nations is to prove that a crime actually has been committed.
Yet, in none of the trials, that I have read about, has there been any
mention that the prosecution could not prove the crime had been
committed.

If you want to argue about numbers then you may have a viable argument
but to argue that a significant number of jews, as well as other Nazi
decreed undesirables, were not killed in the camps simply doesn't
stand on its own two feet unless you first offer proof that a
significant amount of the news published at the time was faked.


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Bruce wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2007 05:14:42 +0000, Larry wrote:

HK wrote in
:

Yep, it's the Jew-hating, Crazy Larry of old, back to haunt us.


Anytime someone questions their Wall or genocide....**** happens.

Larry

Larry, I'm old enough that I watched the new reel films of the
liberation of some of the camps. I read the photo essays published in
the news magazines at the time the camps were liberated. Do you really
believe that all that stuff was faked?

Do you believe that the numerous WW-II "war criminal" trials were
faked? If it was all a conspiracy then why was the only rational
defense ever offered by the defendants "they ordered me"; "I was only
obeying orders"; "it wasn't me, it was somebody else". Nobody ever
offered, "it never happened" as a defense.

I believe that one of the burdens placed on the prosecution in all
western nations is to prove that a crime actually has been committed.
Yet, in none of the trials, that I have read about, has there been any
mention that the prosecution could not prove the crime had been
committed.

If you want to argue about numbers then you may have a viable argument
but to argue that a significant number of jews, as well as other Nazi
decreed undesirables, were not killed in the camps simply doesn't
stand on its own two feet unless you first offer proof that a
significant amount of the news published at the time was faked.


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)



Larry is psychotic, Bruce. Therefore, you are wasting your time
discussing reality with him.

Bruce wrote in
:

On Mon, 28 May 2007 05:14:42 +0000, Larry wrote:

HK wrote in
m:

Yep, it's the Jew-hating, Crazy Larry of old, back to haunt us.



Anytime someone questions their Wall or genocide....**** happens.

Larry

Larry, I'm old enough that I watched the new reel films of the
liberation of some of the camps. I read the photo essays published in
the news magazines at the time the camps were liberated. Do you really
believe that all that stuff was faked?

While this thread has nothing to do with WW2 and is about CURRENT ISRAELI
influence in my government, we always bring up The Holocaust. The WALL
is TODAY separating Palestinians from the land The State of Israeli wants
to separate them from. It has nothing to do with WW2, Nazis, Auchwitz,
which is used, always, to deflect attention away from starving
Palestinian children and Israeli genocide going on TODAY. The only thing
this has to do with the Jewish religion is the fact that Israel is an
APARTHEID state, which the world in all other places has said is an
abomination, itself. WW2 was a long time ago. My comments here are
about CURRENT EVENTS...9/11, Iraqi and Afghan wars, and the reason
America attacked Israel's enemies....not ours.

I believe that one of the burdens placed on the prosecution in all
western nations is to prove that a crime actually has been committed.
Yet, in none of the trials, that I have read about, has there been any
mention that the prosecution could not prove the crime had been
committed.


This paragraph wasn't aimed at current events, but I find it relevant to
this discussion. No prosecutions will take place over the events of 9/11
because NO INVESTIGATIONS WERE ALLOWED! Why? Why have all the
architectural investigators been repelled from inspecting the steel that
was so RUSHED AWAY and SCATTERED across the planet? What are they
hiding? Look at any of the investigations of the aftermath. We were in
a terrible hurry to dispose of all evidence of the towers, the pentagon,
the plane parts in Pennsylvania....so that no forensics could ever be
done on the parts that may reveal any kind of hanky-panky going on to
cause them. Why? What was their hurry? It was 4000F in the basement of
the towers. The firefighters' shoes melted! They certainly weren't
looking for survivors! Why the rush? Why couldn't we even let the
rubble COOL? Again, what were we HIDING? The civil and building
engineers begged them to let them figure out the REAL reason for the
collapses. They also were interested in why a huge commercial jet with
9000+ pounds of human body parts, huge loads of freight, seats, massive
jet engines, monsterous wheels and carriages, some with exotic metals
that take 6000F to melt them....could fit through a 16' hole in the
pentagon and simply VANISH! How did the wings fold up flat, then
vaporize? Why did it EXPLODE, not burn like thousands of gallons of jet
fuel does for DAYS AND DAYS in other jet plane crashes? Where'd the
plane go at the pentagon??

So, with all the evidence rushed off, some within minutes of the event by
government bureaucrats in long lines on the lawn of the Pentagon, there
can be no proper forensic investigations, no prosecutions, no trial by
our peers, NADA. Every other crime scene is secured to prevent
tampering, massive evidence collected and analyzed, THEN the site
removed. Why not the ones on 9/11?? What are they HIDING?....in that
big blue box the Air Force enlisted people hauled off under a blue tarp
at the Pentagon? Where'd it go??

Larry
--
Don't turn it into a Holocaust deflection. Watch the movies:
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Israeli+Wall
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Mossad+and+9-11
Never accept what you are told...by anyone. Investigate for yourself.
Sigmund Freud would be very proud his ideas have been so successful in
dealing with the masses....The Propaganda Ministry has moved across the
Atlantic since 1945.

On 27 May 2007 17:57:06 -0700, Joe wrote:

On May 27, 7:38 pm, David Scheidt wrote:
In rec.boats KLC Lewis wrote:

:Not for nothing, but the central support columnS (multiple) were not even
:touched by the planes.

The towers fell down due to fire damage, not because of the impacts.

You are wasting your breath David.

Such retards think a demolition team wired the twin towers, flew
planes into them and tried to trick them into thinking it was a
terriorist attack so George Bush could invade Iraq. They think there
are 100's of Americans (that's how many it would take to plan and pull
off such a demolition) all keeping quiet about the mass murder of over
3000 fellow Americans. Not to mention the supposed missle flying into
the Pentagon and the crash in PA.

They are pathetic and discrace the murder victims who died at the
hands of Ossama Bin Ladens AlQueida terriorists. They would rather
blame thier fellow Americans.

Joe

I wonder whether the Conspiracy Theorists have any concept of the size
and cost of the conspiracy they envision.

Example: Disregard for a moment the hundreds of actual participants in
the actual mining of the towers projected by the theorists.

I was in somebody's office waiting to make a presentation about two
years after the disaster, and glanced through an issue of one of the
Civil Engineering trade magazines that had a rather detailed account
of the study done on the towers to establish exactly why they fell
down. the study was made with the idea that possibly engineering codes
might need to be changed.

As I say, I only glanced through the issue but the findings seemed to
be that fires fueled by the airplanes being nearly full of fuel and at
least one of the towers had a large diesel tank for back-up generators
that also ruptured were the cause of failure to the steel and concrete
structure.

My point is that in addition to covering up the actual sabotage of the
towers envisioned by the Theorists the people responsible would have
to be controlling peer reviewed publications for years after the
event.

Given that the cover up of the "My Lai incident", which caused the
death of a relatively few people when viewed in the context of 9/11,
didn't work it is unrealistic to believe that the theorists
explanation is logical.


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

On Mon, 28 May 2007 09:22:39 +0700, Bruce
wrote:


Given that the cover up of the "My Lai incident", which caused the
death of a relatively few people when viewed in the context of 9/11,
didn't work it is unrealistic to believe that the theorists
explanation is logical.

That's basically what makes all these conspiracy theories fall apart:
Not one credible conspirator ever comes to light.
Same with all the JFK conspiracy crap.
At least on that one lots of con men made some money selling books,
docus and movies to the dupes.
Remember that character who claimed to be Howard Hughes heir?
Said he gave Hughes a ride once, or lent him a dime for a phone call
when Howard's car had broke down, so old Howard left him his fortune.
When I saw that first pop up in the newspapers, I thought what a load
of bs. Visited my Dad that night and damned if he wasn't talking
about how lucky that guy was, and wishing he'd been the one to give
old Howard a ride or lend him a dime that night. LOL.
The 9/11 conspiracy bs is such bs I don't think much money can be
made.
No way Larry is gonna spend a dime on this stuff.
But anybody who would even bother downloading a movie taped
from under the shirt of somebody in the audience is suspect.
Imagine watching that crap, seeing a grainy movie that includes people
returning with their popcorn in the frame, and the occasional chest
hair flashing across the screen. Jesus H. Christ!
So you never know.

--Vic