* Joe wrote, On 4/17/2007 10:16 AM:
....

Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according
to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers
are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by
illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.


As usual, Joe repeats bogus "statistics" as though they are facts.
While its true the Steve King made that comment, he did not release
any actual statistics or reference any study. It appears that he
simply made up the number for shock appeal. The quote has been
frequently repeated in the conservative press as a "study" but no
study is actually mentioned. The number can be shown to be false
simply by looking at the total number of Hispanics arrested for murder
in California (one of the states where these statistics are kept).
Even if they were all illegals, it still would not add up.

In fact, the "12 a day" number roughly equals the total number of
white and Hispanics arrested for murder each year. In other words,
Rep King is claiming that all murders by non-blacks were by illegal
aliens. That's quite a stretch!

Of course, King may have some secret information that all unsolved
murders in the country were actually perpetrated by illegal aliens,
but its easier to believe that he just made up the numbers.

"Peter Hendra" wrote in message
...
I know that this is off topic but it is very saddening to hear of yet
another mass killing in America.
snipp

It takes a real piece of **** to use the death of so many young people
and to have as their primary concern, not sympathy or a word of
understanding and support for the survivors and loved ones of the
deceased, but pushing a socialist political agenda.

You disgust me as much as the gunman disgusts me.

Wilbur Hubbard

snip

" This shooting is an obscene tragedy. We need to admit that
something in our society is producing disturbed individuals who will
use
too easily available lethal weapons to kill the innocent."


And that's why the good folks ought to have access to the tools to
defend themselves. Doesn't do much good to call 911 when the shots
are being fired. The police typically arrive after the shooting is
over with and then try and figure out the who/what/why/where stuff.

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:59:29 -0700, erps wrote:


snip

" This shooting is an obscene tragedy. We need to admit that something in
our society is producing disturbed individuals who will use
too easily available lethal weapons to kill the innocent."


And that's why the good folks ought to have access to the tools to defend
themselves. Doesn't do much good to call 911 when the shots are being
fired. The police typically arrive after the shooting is over with and
then try and figure out the who/what/why/where stuff.

QED

In article om,
wrote:

snip

" This shooting is an obscene tragedy. We need to admit that
something in our society is producing disturbed individuals who will
use
too easily available lethal weapons to kill the innocent."


And that's why the good folks ought to have access to the tools to
defend themselves. Doesn't do much good to call 911 when the shots
are being fired. The police typically arrive after the shooting is
over with and then try and figure out the who/what/why/where stuff.

We could start with the most important tool of all... our
brains. Sadly, it's easier to just mouth the same bs about our
"Constitutional right" to own a gun.




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And that's why the good folks ought to have access to the tools to
defend themselves. Doesn't do much good to call 911 when the shots
are being fired. The police typically arrive after the shooting is
over with and then try and figure out the who/what/why/where stuff.

We could start with the most important tool of all... our
brains. Sadly, it's easier to just mouth the same bs about our
"Constitutional right" to own a gun.

--
Capt. JG

Brains didn't help the victims much in this case. Capt JG, if one of
your family members had been in the classroom and there was another
student or teacher there with the ability to engage this murderer,
would you want them to or not? Whether it's a constitutional right or
not, the right of self defense is often recognized as a natural right
and a right not given by the constitution but recognized and preserved
by the constitution.

In article .com,
wrote:

And that's why the good folks ought to have access to the tools to
defend themselves. Doesn't do much good to call 911 when the shots
are being fired. The police typically arrive after the shooting is
over with and then try and figure out the who/what/why/where stuff.

We could start with the most important tool of all... our
brains. Sadly, it's easier to just mouth the same bs about our
"Constitutional right" to own a gun.

--
Capt. JG

Brains didn't help the victims much in this case. Capt JG, if one of
your family members had been in the classroom and there was another
student or teacher there with the ability to engage this murderer,
would you want them to or not? Whether it's a constitutional right or
not, the right of self defense is often recognized as a natural right
and a right not given by the constitution but recognized and preserved
by the constitution.

The brians of the victims weren't the brains I was speaking about. We
need to have stricter control over the access to weapons. If you don't
have easy access, you don't have to have a gun to defend yourself.

It's easy to make it a personal case, and if my family or I were in
jeapordy, of course, I'd want to be able to defend myself, but society
does not benefit from easy access.

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wrote:

Brains didn't help the victims much in this case. Capt JG, if one of
your family members had been in the classroom and there was another
student or teacher there with the ability to engage this murderer,

Are you seriously suggesting that it would be alright for everyone, students and teachers included, in
a school, to be carrying guns?

This is utter madness.

On Apr 17, 9:53 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Peter Hendra" wrote in message

... I know that this is off topic but it is very saddening to hear of yet
another mass killing in America.

snipp

It takes a real piece of **** to use the death of so many young people
and to have as their primary concern, not sympathy or a word of
understanding and support for the survivors and loved ones of the
deceased, but pushing a socialist political agenda.

You disgust me as much as the gunman disgusts me.

Wilbur Hubbard

Peter writes a thoughtful post with compassion and understanding,
illustrates with specific examples of what he sees as wrong in our
gun-happy society, gives suggestions on how we can curb violence in
the US, and backs up his claims with compelling evidence of how strict
gun control laws greatly reduce violence in other countries. In
response Wilbur calls Peter "a real piece of ****" and doesn't even
try to refute his statements. Wilbur, you have just exposed yourself
as a total asshole. Now maybe Peter realizes what we are up against
in this country.

Steve Foy

In article .com,
wrote:
Peter writes a thoughtful post with compassion and understanding,
illustrates with specific examples of what he sees as wrong in our
gun-happy society, gives suggestions on how we can curb violence in
the US, and backs up his claims with compelling evidence of how strict
gun control laws greatly reduce violence in other countries. In
response Wilbur calls Peter "a real piece of ****" and doesn't even
try to refute his statements. Wilbur, you have just exposed yourself
as a total asshole. Now maybe Peter realizes what we are up against
in this country.

Fortunately, most people in the US are not like Neal Warren, troll of
asa.
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