Jim Manzari - Cruisers Snared in Australia
 

On Apr 14, 12:24 am, "tlindly" wrote:

I actually agreed with the rest of your rant but, REALITY CHECK:

If the guy would've just admitted that he screwed up, he'd have gotten
off with a hand slap. Instead he is STILL crying over injustice and
trampled
rights.
Hey Dude, you are cruising around the world! That's a privilege, who
the .......


Hi:

I agree with your post.

After reading the poor victim's blog again I once more came to the
same conclusion. He sounds like one of those "Don't Tread on Me" types
who sail where he wants, when he wants, and how he wants and aint no
body gonna tell me I cant... because I'm really smart and I know my
rights!

TRY THIS STORY
Last Friday I was walking back to my motel room after four hours of
drinking under my favorite bridge. I was DRUNK, no two ways about it.
(Yes, I like to drink alone) This is in a small commercial fishing/
tourist town with a population about 12,000. As I go walking along the
bayfront street at 1130 PM I crossed the street at 45 degrees
(jaywalked). Now, at that time of night in that part of town the place
is deserted. The next thing I know a cop accelerates 75 yards down the
street probable reaching 50 mph in a 20mph zone, slams on the breaks
putting his car into a 8' skid, jumps out hand on gun and orders me to
stop. Of course in his best command scream!

He tells me I was "screening" him, tells me he "smells alcohol"
demands my drivers license, and then tells me I am going to jail cause
I was "screening" and eluding an officer. The next thing I know two
more cop cars show up with in 3 min.

How would you handle that situation???????

Im just minding my own business walking along a quiet street at 1130
PM when I end up surrounded by 3 cops one with hand on weapon ready to
kill me cause I crossed a street. My choices were many as were the
many possible outcomes. Personally I did not want to be shot, get beat
down and arrested for disorderly conduct or resisting arrest.

So what does my experience have in common with mister man boobs
getting the royal shaft in Australia??????

Glad I aint In Jail Bob

PS I am also the guy who posted here last year that I do not believe
rogue/sneaker waves exist. They are just events mariners face when at
sea. Do you see a consistent belief here? You should. In other words,
**** happens. How we prepare and respond to events will determine the
outcome. I could have blamed the cops or those big wave events and in
both cases been beat down. But at least in both cases I could have
claimed I was the victim..... blamed the cops for being unjust or blamed
those terrible sneaker waves that came out of nowhere and sunk my
boat.

Jim Manzari - Cruisers Snared in Australia
 

wrote in message
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On Apr 14, 12:17 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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On Apr 14, 10:34 am, the_bmac wrote:
wrote a bunch of frothy dreck which I:

snipped

whereupon he concluded with the stunningly eloquent

What a cock sucking, terriorist loving, racist, stupid faggot you
are.

I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were retarded. Nevermind.

Seems you are the retard, quoting M. Moores propaganda over the 9-11
commission.

Whats wrong looser? Can not address any of the stupid **** you posted?

Nevermind is right, you never had a mind to use..It's crystal clear.

You racist faggot.

Joe

Joe, what are you going to do now that Imus is off the air? g

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Jon,

I've never heard of Imus before his latest racist remarks.
What do you do now that Air America is as bankrupt in money as Al
Frankin was in integrity?

I guess I'll have to tune in an see if they put down minorities and women.

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"j" ganz @@
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Jim Manzari - Cruisers Snared in Australia
 

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:17:27 -0400, Peter Hendra
wrote:


In all the countries we have visited so far, we have had very few
problems with officialdom. I suspect, from listening to others
stories, that some people display an "attitude problem" when in
foreign lands. I would probably give them a hard time too.

If one reads the accounts of the exorbitant Australian fines, and
Australian requirements for entry as compared to other nations,
Australia certainly looks like a place to avoid.
Every indication in these cruisers' complaints also point to a rigid,
unsympathetic crowd of goons running the maritime enforcement and
judiciary agencies.
Levying fines of many thousands of dollars against old toothless
people who took reasonable notification measures upon entry and who
mistakenly assumed the Aussies were as "normal" as other countries
speaks very poorly of those agencies. These sailors were not
neophytes - or terrorists.
An Aussie magistrate whose boat was set upon by "legal" goons was
as equally disturbed as the foreigners.
There is no way to read these accounts and not come away with an
unpleasant taste.
You noted the reliance modern sailors place upon electronic devices.
Legally entering Australia appears to demand internet access aboard,
since Australian consulates are providing outdated rules, which can in
any case capriciously change while one is at sea.
Since I have a son who lives in Sydney, I had entertained buying and
sailing a Mac 26M there for a visit.
After reading of the troubles in those waters, that plan is now on
hold. Perhaps sailing to NZ and flying to Sydney from there would
be a better approach, but to be blunt, I am now sorely disappointed
with Australia and have no desire to visit there at all.

--Vic

Jim Manzari - Cruisers Snared in Australia
 

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:11:25 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

After reading of the troubles in those waters, that plan is now on
hold. Perhaps sailing to NZ and flying to Sydney from there would
be a better approach, but to be blunt, I am now sorely disappointed
with Australia and have no desire to visit there at all.

--Vic

Vic,
The verse from the Bible comes to mind about taking the beam from
one's own eye before taking the mote from another's.

In Spain our family went through the lengthy and expensive process of
applying for US Visas as we had intended sailing up the eastern
seaboard of the US. If we had flown there we would have been part of
the Visa waver system.

After talking with several non-American yachts(persons) who had
visited the US, and in investigating the requirements of officialdom
with regard to a foreign yacht visiting your country, we, with much
regret, decided against it. You probably know nothing of these
restrictions as they do not affect you.

I, who hold Australian citizenship as well as my other two, have not
seen fit to date to burst into a tirade of criticism against US
officialdom and its seemingly pathetic pettiness with its rules of
entry and travel within America by foreign yacht that are far more
restictive and onerous that Australia has in place. I merely accept it
and change my plans. Railing against the rules will not change them.
Perhaps that is why I do not have high blood pressure.

Dissappointed as we are, we have decided that if we wish to visit the
places we have always wanted to go, such as the Smithsonian Museums
etc, then we will have to arrive by air and travel by car even though
we will have to suffer the indignities of your immigration and
airtravel processes where ordinary people are treated as potential
criminals and verbally abused at your airports (I have flown through
the States twice in the past year). Incidentally, to see an elderly
American lady yelled at by some uncouth thug of a security person at
LA airport "I said - take off your jacket" when going through
security, frankly made my blood boil. To my shame, being a long time
coward, I did not object.

I can burst into print on my annoyance at radio broadcasts on VHF when
sailing up the Red Sea in international waters - "This is US task
force xxx. Any vessel approaching within two miles is likely to be
fired upon:" and having to alter course under a difficult sail into
the wind - bloody cheek. Or about a helicopter gunship hovering over
my masthead for two full minutes and not responding to my VHF. Have
you any idea just how intimidating that is, especially to a child?

Where were they in the piracy zone further east when a British yacht
got stripped two weeks before we went through and a group of five were
chased and fired upon? The only response was from a French warship.

I could get angry at the right the US Coastguard claim of being able
to board and search, without any financial recompence for damage, my
New Zealand flagged yacht anywhere in the Caribbean. I can't prevent
it so I don't. I just stay away.

That's life. If we wish to visit somewhere, we put up with the
processes if we feel that it is worth it. If not, we don't go. If it
was easy, everybody would be doing it which in many people's minds has
ruined the Med and the Caribbean. That's cruising, which is what this
newsgroup is all about.

cheers
Peter Hendra

Jim Manzari - Cruisers Snared in Australia
 

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:14:02 -0400, Peter Hendra
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:11:25 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

After reading of the troubles in those waters, that plan is now on
hold. Perhaps sailing to NZ and flying to Sydney from there would
be a better approach, but to be blunt, I am now sorely disappointed
with Australia and have no desire to visit there at all.

--Vic

Vic,
The verse from the Bible comes to mind about taking the beam from
one's own eye before taking the mote from another's.

In Spain our family went through the lengthy and expensive process of
applying for US Visas as we had intended sailing up the eastern
seaboard of the US. If we had flown there we would have been part of
the Visa waver system.

After talking with several non-American yachts(persons) who had
visited the US, and in investigating the requirements of officialdom
with regard to a foreign yacht visiting your country, we, with much
regret, decided against it. You probably know nothing of these
restrictions as they do not affect you.

You're quite right. My readings of foreigners cruising here are of
Canadians exclusively. They seem little bothered by officialdom,
but Canadians may be a special case.
Your perspective is valuable here, as a non-NA resident.
Having said that, and not attempting to defend whatever restrictions
the Americans have, you will note that the folks who had the
Australian problem with entry didn't suddenly materialize there.
They had ports of call all over the world, and never got socked
for thousands of dollars for ultimately harmless infractions, and in
fact noted no problem elsewhere.
If you read the accounts you will see that.
I have no problem with laws, but if their application seems
unreasonable and arbitrary I want no part of it.
If the laws are unwieldy and just "too much work" that is another
matter, and another choice to make.

I, who hold Australian citizenship as well as my other two, have not
seen fit to date to burst into a tirade of criticism against US
officialdom and its seemingly pathetic pettiness with its rules of
entry and travel within America by foreign yacht that are far more
restictive and onerous that Australia has in place. I merely accept it
and change my plans. Railing against the rules will not change them.
Perhaps that is why I do not have high blood pressure.

Nor do I (-:
I would like for you to give us a brief lesson on those rules and why
you find them onerous - for our edification.

Dissappointed as we are, we have decided that if we wish to visit the
places we have always wanted to go, such as the Smithsonian Museums
etc, then we will have to arrive by air and travel by car even though
we will have to suffer the indignities of your immigration and
airtravel processes where ordinary people are treated as potential
criminals and verbally abused at your airports (I have flown through
the States twice in the past year). Incidentally, to see an elderly
American lady yelled at by some uncouth thug of a security person at
LA airport "I said - take off your jacket" when going through
security, frankly made my blood boil. To my shame, being a long time
coward, I did not object.

I've heard of such conduct, and other stupidities, but since I don't
fly it hasn't affected me. Flyers must take action there, or continue
being sheep.

I can burst into print on my annoyance at radio broadcasts on VHF when
sailing up the Red Sea in international waters - "This is US task
force xxx. Any vessel approaching within two miles is likely to be
fired upon:" and having to alter course under a difficult sail into
the wind - bloody cheek. Or about a helicopter gunship hovering over
my masthead for two full minutes and not responding to my VHF. Have
you any idea just how intimidating that is, especially to a child?

War zones are a different matter entirely, and a different problem.

Where were they in the piracy zone further east when a British yacht
got stripped two weeks before we went through and a group of five were
chased and fired upon? The only response was from a French warship.

If you ever entertained the idea that any military represents
competence, you have been disabused of that notion.

I could get angry at the right the US Coastguard claim of being able
to board and search, without any financial recompence for damage, my
New Zealand flagged yacht anywhere in the Caribbean. I can't prevent
it so I don't. I just stay away.

That is a different matter also, and while you may dislike it, I look
at it differently than being stood up before a Australian magistrate
and fined many thousands of dollars for essentially Catch-22
violations.
These fines really smack of the Georgia highway speedtraps,
but with a vengeance.
In case you haven't actually read of the goings-ons, here is the
original link:
http://www.thecoastalpassage.com/dangerous.html
Following other links will give a fuller picture.
Especially egregious is the unmarked police "inspection" of the Aussie
magistrate's boat. While it didn't cost him anything monetarily, it
is fairly chilling.

That's life. If we wish to visit somewhere, we put up with the
processes if we feel that it is worth it. If not, we don't go. If it
was easy, everybody would be doing it which in many people's minds has
ruined the Med and the Caribbean. That's cruising, which is what this
newsgroup is all about.

Exactly, and I feel you have much to teach us on that subject.

--Vic

Jim Manzari - Cruisers Snared in Australia
 

Believe me Peter, there are plenty of Amricans who are well aware of just
what you are talking about. I want to sail foreign for the lightness of
feeling away from the opressive facisim that is creeping into every aspect
of life in a country that I truely love. My first though when reading the
original post was, "Oh, my God, the Aussies are acting just just like
American officials!"

At some point, sailing to foreign ports probably won't be an option for me
because the government computer robots will hit some key words in my emails
and newsgroup posts and I'll be put on a no-fly no-departure list "just in
case".

"It's our freedons the terrorists hate."

Yeah, right.

Jim Manzari - Cruisers Snared in Australia
 

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(a lot of vile vitriol, snipped)

Plonk

Jim Manzari - Cruisers Snared in Australia
 

"Bob" wrote in message
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Hi:

I agree with your post.

After reading the poor victim's blog again I once more came to the
same conclusion. He sounds like one of those "Don't Tread on Me" types
who sail where he wants, when he wants, and how he wants and aint no
body gonna tell me I cant... because I'm really smart and I know my
rights!

TRY THIS STORY
Last Friday I was walking back to my motel room after four hours of
drinking under my favorite bridge. I was DRUNK, no two ways about it.
(Yes, I like to drink alone) This is in a small commercial fishing/
tourist town with a population about 12,000. As I go walking along the
bayfront street at 1130 PM I crossed the street at 45 degrees
(jaywalked). Now, at that time of night in that part of town the place
is deserted. The next thing I know a cop accelerates 75 yards down the
street probable reaching 50 mph in a 20mph zone, slams on the breaks
putting his car into a 8' skid, jumps out hand on gun and orders me to
stop. Of course in his best command scream!

He tells me I was "screening" him, tells me he "smells alcohol"
demands my drivers license, and then tells me I am going to jail cause
I was "screening" and eluding an officer. The next thing I know two
more cop cars show up with in 3 min.

How would you handle that situation???????

Im just minding my own business walking along a quiet street at 1130
PM when I end up surrounded by 3 cops one with hand on weapon ready to
kill me cause I crossed a street. My choices were many as were the
many possible outcomes. Personally I did not want to be shot, get beat
down and arrested for disorderly conduct or resisting arrest.

So what does my experience have in common with mister man boobs
getting the royal shaft in Australia??????

Glad I aint In Jail Bob

PS I am also the guy who posted here last year that I do not believe
rogue/sneaker waves exist. They are just events mariners face when at
sea. Do you see a consistent belief here? You should. In other words,
**** happens. How we prepare and respond to events will determine the
outcome. I could have blamed the cops or those big wave events and in
both cases been beat down. But at least in both cases I could have
claimed I was the victim..... blamed the cops for being unjust or blamed
those terrible sneaker waves that came out of nowhere and sunk my
boat.



So Bob, what's the moral of your story? You appear to saying, "When the
Government gives you ****, smile and thank them, then take a great big bite.
Sorry, but that is NOT what those who once made America great did, or would
do today. But now, eating Government **** sandwiches is equated with
Patriotism.

Makes me well and truly sick.

Jim Manzari - Cruisers Snared in Australia
 

On Apr 14, 5:18 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
Believe me Peter, there are plenty of Amricans who are well aware of just
what you are talking about. I want to sail foreign for the lightness of
feeling away from the opressive facisim that is creeping into every aspect
of life in a country that I truely love.

Good lord Roger...Please go. While you're out there spend a bit of
time in Cuba, Cambodia, Haiti, China, El Salvador, N. Korea, Russia,
oh and my favorite Nicaragua,,Timor, and the UAE and several fine
African countries. Spend some time there Roger. Some how I suspect you
will change your tune of what real opression is.

My first though when reading the
original post was, "Oh, my God, the Aussies are acting just just like
American officials!


At some point, sailing to foreign ports probably won't be an option for me
because the government computer robots will hit some key words in my emails
and newsgroup posts and I'll be put on a no-fly no-departure list "just in
case".

"It's our freedons the terrorists hate."

Yeah, right.

Is it Roger?

In nearly all cases, the jihadi terrorists have a patently self-
evident
ambition: to establish a world dominated by Muslims, Islam, and
Islamic law,
the Shari'a. Thier goal is the extension of the Islamic territory
across the globe, and the establishment of a worldwide 'caliphate'
founded on Shari'a law."

Terrorists openly declare this goal. The Islamists who assassinated
Anwar
el-Sadat in 1981 decorated their holding cages with banners
proclaiming the
"caliphate or death." A biography of one of the most influential
Islamist
thinkers of recent times and an influence on Osama bin Laden, Abdullah
Azzam
declares that his life "revolved around a single goal, namely the
establishment of Allah's Rule on earth" and restoring the caliphate.

Bin Laden himself spoke of ensuring that "the pious caliphate will
start
from Afghanistan." His chief deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, also dreamed
of
re-establishing the caliphate, for then, he wrote, "history would make
a new
turn, God willing, in the opposite direction against the empire of
the
United States and the world's Jewish government." Another Al-Qaeda
leader,
Fazlur Rehman Khalil, publishes a magazine that has declared "Due to
the
blessings of jihad, America's countdown has begun. It will declare
defeat
soon," to be followed by the creation of a caliphate.

Or, as Mohammed Bouyeri wrote in the note he attached to the corpse of
Theo
van Gogh, the Dutch filmmaker he had just assassinated, "Islam will
be
victorious through the blood of martyrs who spread its light in every
dark
corner of this earth."

Interestingly, van Gogh's murderer was frustrated by the mistaken
motives
attributed to him, insisting at his trial: "I did what I did purely
out of
my beliefs. I want you to know that I acted out of conviction and not
that I
took his life because he was Dutch or because I was Moroccan and felt
insulted."

Although terrorists state their jihadi motives loudly and clearly,
Westerners and Muslims alike too often fail to hear them. Islamic
organizations, Canadian author Irshad Manji observes, pretend that
"Islam is
an innocent bystander in today's terrorism."

What the terrorists want is abundantly clear. It requires monumental
denial
not to acknowledge it, but you Roger have risen to the challenge.

Joe

Jim Manzari - Cruisers Snared in Australia
 

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:02:32 -0700, steelredcloud wrote:

snip

Your other fan was wrong. You're not retarded, you're just a ****ing
idiot.

*plonk*