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"Peter Hendra" wrote in message ... On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:04:11 -0500, "KLC Lewis" wrote: Karin, My university educational qualifications are in Zoology as a major. Did you realise that phylogenetically, men are merely modified females? Yes, of that I am aware. Personally, I think you got the short end of the stick. But, as the saying goes, it takes two to Tango. That Real Men who can "**** over the side, burp, flatulate" etc can actually breast feed babies without taking any medication or hormones - merely by allowing the baby to suckle several times a day for a period of about three weeks? It has been done. Of that I am not aware. But something tells me that it wasn't done for the benefit of the baby. |
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On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:16:24 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: This just proves that you need to meet a higher class of woman, Larry. He's met them but they run the other way. |
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Peter Hendra wrote in
: Quite possibly we are talking about quite different areas of sailing. I am understandably focused on cruising sailors and not day sailing. I have met quite a few of the latter - not sure which is more amusing, the men with the gold braided Captain's cap or the women with their designer yachting gear. - no I know that not all are like that. I think, too, our being on the opposite sides of the planet, though sharing somewhat a common language, the people in our places are totally different. The "cruisers", here, come in two distinct versions.... The first, of course, are the reasonably affluent. The husband has worked 90 hours a week, most of his life, surrounded by "staff" of one kind or another. He's used to having it "his way", in his world. Now, having "made it", he has a beautiful yacht commensurate with his status, or perhaps perceived status, and is "captain" of his new ship, having relinquished his "old ship" to another back at the office. He and the wife, or trophy wife in many cases you see down the dock, are living HIS dream, not necessarily hers. The really affluent simply hire crew for the 120' custom yacht and a professional captain. The reasonably affluent want to be alone. Hubby has been to the finest sailing schools and has sailed amazing ships. He's a good sailor, all 'round. The wife spent her life in the mall with hubby's credit card stack doing her life. Now, going along with his dream, she's faced with sailing the big Beneteau 60 she's not quite competent to sail. Hubby, used to "handling everything" back at Diaphram, Foam and Condom, LLC, thinks he can cruise with only her as crew. If he dies in his sleep, of course, she'll die, lost, in a week or two at sea. The second is the "budget cruiser". They worked hard, too, but didn't quite make it on 90 hours a week. They sold the house to buy the boat and sometimes have to work ashore to pay its awful bills, some very unexpected. You'll recognize their boats either tied up or anchored out to save money, or tied up for a day or two at the transient dock. The boat looks "lived in", like an nice old RV. It's cluttered with their "stuff" because they don't have a home to leave their stuff in any more. They liveaboard full time, moving like nomads from anchorage to anchorage, sometimes following the jobs available to keep the dream moving. Their dingy and outboard motors look, well, "old". The wife is a much better sailor than the trophy wife after she has been at sea a while and learns to like it. I know a few who wouldn't have it any other way. Others always have "divorce" or the wife stays ashore with family, most of the time, leaving hubby alone or with someone he's met who sails with him as he can't do it all himself. I used to sail with one of these. We had a great time on his old boat. In either case, you'll find another phenomenon putting everyone at risk. Many of the wives are NOT interested in learning and doing. They want to be passengers to the sailing. This leaves hubby virtually sailing alone. If anything happens to him, disaster ensues. Tonight as I type this after midnight, there are many boats at sea sailing in this condition...a condition towards disaster. My perception of women "down under" is of a more resourceful, tougher, hardier female group. I think it's related to the history of Oz and NZ. Those not tougher either went back to England, if they could, or died. I'm sure in the new cities there are as cosmopolitan a breed of females as in an American city, cared for, mostly helpless in a sailing situation. But, as with Julia Hazel, most are more adventuresome and better suited to a sailing environment. I sail with guys who sail with their wives, alone, many places. The wife is NOT qualified to drive a dingy with an outboard...and certainly does not belong, by herself, at the helm of a 35' sloop, 50 km offshore, even in calmer conditions, on watch as the only sailor aboard is asleep, totally exhausted BECAUSE he is the only sailor aboard, and NOT physically fit to be the ONLY sailor aboard. Boat captains who are bankers or lawyers or doctors or office jocks and over 40 don't like to look inward at their own limits, either. They shouldn't pull up the main unless there's some young, strong, able seamen to help them do it right.... Larry -- |
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ups.com: It is the Captain's responsibility to know the limitations of the crew and to make allowances for them. I totally agree. But, alas, there's no "oversight" from anywhere to prevent (force) that 62-year-old bank president to realize he CANNOT safely operate his 44' CSY yacht in the open ocean with just his 59-year- old wife as crew in that 40 knot squall and 8' seas. You cannot fly a plane unless you are QUALIFIED to some standard, skill and medical. You cannot drive a truck unless you are QUALIFIED to some standard of skill and medical condition. Captain Jenkins cannot drive TO the CSY 44 at Megayacht Marina unless he QUALIFIES to a skill level and can READ THE EYE TEST at the DMV, either. But NOONE ANYWHERE stops him from boarding that yacht, firing up that diesel, and killing himself and his wife and kids sailing out of the harbor for the last time. All he needs is M-O-N-E-Y. He doesn't even have to SEE, can be sitting on the edge of a massive heart attack, and doesn't really need any skill at all because....all he needs is M-O-N-E-Y. I think that is wrong. I know it is really screwed up! We spend millions making sure his Lincoln Navigator is safe, has certain required safety equipment, whether he likes it or not, and makes sure he has the skill to get to the parking lot without killing anyone from sheer incompetence. We spend NOTHING making sure his boat is properly equipped, he's actually WEARING proper safety gear, and knows how to use it....and all his watchstanders are qualified, too. If Captain Jenkins goes blind, he won't be allowed to drive the Navigator to the boat. But, he'll still be able to sail off into oblivion. How stupid, just to make a few boat dealers happy. Larry -- |
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On 2007-04-02 11:22:59 -0400, "Skip Gundlach" said:
First order of business is to become more familiar with the boat and its gear. I'd wanted, from the start, to take an extended US coastal trip as a shakedown. Sometimes you have to be hit upside the head with a 2x4 to get your attention; that's now happened with Lydia, who's (now) enthusiastically looking forward to all that the East Coast has to offer. And, as life is what happens as you're making other plans, who knows? We may find such pleasures addictive and do that plus the Bahamas for many years. However, we expect to head out again in November or thereabouts, beginning our Caribbean adventure(s). When you get to the Chesapeake, look us up. In fact, get and read Shellenberger's "Cruising the Chesapeake, a Gunkholer's Guide". That'll whet your appetite. It's been said by many people who know both grounds, the most notable I've heard being Tom Neale, that if you are comfortable on the Chesapeake, the Bahamas are well within your capabilities. Good training grounds and wonderful cruising. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's new pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI pages: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:20:46 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: "Peter Hendra" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:04:11 -0500, "KLC Lewis" wrote: Karin, My university educational qualifications are in Zoology as a major. Did you realise that phylogenetically, men are merely modified females? Yes, of that I am aware. Personally, I think you got the short end of the stick. But, as the saying goes, it takes two to Tango. That Real Men who can "**** over the side, burp, flatulate" etc can actually breast feed babies without taking any medication or hormones - merely by allowing the baby to suckle several times a day for a period of about three weeks? It has been done. Of that I am not aware. But something tells me that it wasn't done for the benefit of the baby. Karin, I could wax eloquent on this topic but it has nothing to do with boating and I don't want to set off a particular person into a tirade of fetish revelations. Suffice it to say that prepubescent breast tissue is identical in males and females. It is the release of hormones that causes breasts to grow and to lactate. Breasts are merely modified sweat glands which sort of takes the 'romance' out of them. I had a physiology professor who specialised in this field. He had just returned from working at John Hopkins on development of a lactation supression pill whereby women who did not want to breastfeed and have their breasts enlarged and thus 'deformed' could do so. Needless to say, we focused (kept abreast ) a lot on that area. There is a lot of research being done at the moment whereby childless women who adopt babies can breastfeed merely by suckling several times a day for a few weeks. It is the old story of the biblical wet nurse who could feed another's child even though she may not be lactating initially. During WWII, it was recorded that many starved men in Japanese POW camps began to secrete milk from their breasts due to hormone upsets due to that starvation. Under experimental conditions men have begun to lactate without developing large breasts. It is a common misconception that larger breasts produce more milk. Not so. Milk glands are about the same size and produce the same quantity regardless of how much fatty tissue surrounds them. On a personal note, I have always envied mothers the closeness with their offspring that breastfeeding develops - and no, I have not tried it. As I worked from home while building my boat with our youngest child - my wife worked outside the home, I basically raised him and value the closeness we have, but as with most children, his mother still has that stronger bond. Perhaps it is more than that and the Gaia complex is still with us. I know that both European and Asian men about to be hanged often call out for their mothers. I did ask but was told that nobody yet has called out for their father. The boating aspect - with a baby in a liferaft, it doesn't have to starve. Also, those with a fishing bent should know that if they catch a seahorse in their net to be kind to the males and release them unhurt. They are the ones who carry the babies in a special abdominal pouch and feed them "milk" while the mothers are away having a good time. Actually the really fascinating things are the Nodules of Montgomery which we all have. Science has only relatively recently discovered their purpose. cheers Peter |
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Peter Hendra wrote: Skip, May I make a couple of points. 1. You said that you had a sea anchor and would have used it had it been more readily available. When crossing an ocean or when uncertain weather is imminent, it may be a good idea to have the sea anchor ready for deployment on deck. It is not onerous and will give you confidence to face any weather. I have a short length of stout nylon line with a eye splice on each end - with galvanised thimbles. One end drops over the bollard on the mid-foredeck (bronze maltese cross). The other is shackled to a short length of half inch galvanised chain which passes over the anchor roller preventing chafe to any line (one of the main problems of a sea-anchor). One does not have to crawl up the deck in a stong wind and crashing seas in the dark to "move the line a little". From the chain to the cockpit, outside the staunchions and secured at intervals with plastic cable ties, I have an 18 mm three strand nylon rode with an eye at each end. The sea anchor plus the zipped bag with the 120 metres of nylon braid are secured to the aft deck. Both ends of the braid are available when I open the bag and I shackle these (two bow shackles to each eye splice for added security) to both the rode along side the boat and to the para anchor.l When I decide to deploy, all I do is lie the vessel about 20 degrees off the wind and waves, throw out the retrieval line after clipping on a large round fender as a float, and when it has fed out by the boat's backward drift, I feed out the para anchor. It all happens in surprising slow motion and i'm sitting down, safely in the cockpit the entire time. The anchor pulls the nylon braid out of its bag and then, when that it out, it pulls on the line to the bow, snapping the cable ties one after another. There is nothing greater than being bounced around crashing up and down through the seas and heading into bad weather, than suddenly lying stable with the bow rising up and down with each on-coming wave. It's just like parking your car in a busy freeway on a long journey and taking a break. This sounds like a great system for stowing and deploying the sea para-anchor. This is the first time I've heard of this way of doing it, but it makes good sense to me. I'm going to save your post for when I get ready to rig my (yet to be acquired) sea anchor. Don W. |
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:49:38 GMT, Don W
wrote: Peter Hendra wrote: Skip, May I make a couple of points. 1. You said that you had a sea anchor and would have used it had it been more readily available. When crossing an ocean or when uncertain weather is imminent, it may be a good idea to have the sea anchor ready for deployment on deck. It is not onerous and will give you confidence to face any weather. I have a short length of stout nylon line with a eye splice on each end - with galvanised thimbles. One end drops over the bollard on the mid-foredeck (bronze maltese cross). The other is shackled to a short length of half inch galvanised chain which passes over the anchor roller preventing chafe to any line (one of the main problems of a sea-anchor). One does not have to crawl up the deck in a stong wind and crashing seas in the dark to "move the line a little". From the chain to the cockpit, outside the staunchions and secured at intervals with plastic cable ties, I have an 18 mm three strand nylon rode with an eye at each end. The sea anchor plus the zipped bag with the 120 metres of nylon braid are secured to the aft deck. Both ends of the braid are available when I open the bag and I shackle these (two bow shackles to each eye splice for added security) to both the rode along side the boat and to the para anchor.l When I decide to deploy, all I do is lie the vessel about 20 degrees off the wind and waves, throw out the retrieval line after clipping on a large round fender as a float, and when it has fed out by the boat's backward drift, I feed out the para anchor. It all happens in surprising slow motion and i'm sitting down, safely in the cockpit the entire time. The anchor pulls the nylon braid out of its bag and then, when that it out, it pulls on the line to the bow, snapping the cable ties one after another. There is nothing greater than being bounced around crashing up and down through the seas and heading into bad weather, than suddenly lying stable with the bow rising up and down with each on-coming wave. It's just like parking your car in a busy freeway on a long journey and taking a break. This sounds like a great system for stowing and deploying the sea para-anchor. This is the first time I've heard of this way of doing it, but it makes good sense to me. I'm going to save your post for when I get ready to rig my (yet to be acquired) sea anchor. Don W. Hi Don, Upon reading what I had written, I should have mentioned that the boat does not drift directly astern. It does (well mine does) a drift at about a 45 to 30 degree angle to the waves. I feed the lot (sitting down for safety) out over the side from the cockpit. Please bear in mind in all of this that I am not an expert on rough weather or sea anchors. I am only reporting my experience. I meant to write that the leeward drift for me is about half a knot, much better than running before it back along the way you have come or beating into heavy seas with a gain of about a knot towards your destination. I have used it, not only in really bad weather but when I have needed to take a break such as when a 40knot souwester coming towards me on a course to the Canaries. Far better, thought I, to take a break and let the bad weather go past than taking the wheel and fighting it on a beat with a gain of perhaps 1 knot. I have read a lot about positioning your boat so that the parachute is on one wave crest whilst the boat is on another. Quite frankly, how does one see the damned thing at 130 metres, below the water, in ****ty weather, in the dark? I can never see it in the day time when I have deployed it. I have also read that one should put a bridle on the nylon line from the boat so that one can pull the boat around so as to take the seas to one side of the bow. My experience is that my boat - fin keels and rudder on a skeg - rides wonderfully well with the sea anchor rode dead ahead. I get mixed feelings of oneness with my boat, gratitude for her taking it all in her stead and absolute love for her being there, sheltering and protecting me while waves and wind are all around. The peace and tranquility induced is positively euphoric. Karen, we men may have been given the sort end of the stick but lying to a sea anchor, relaxing and listening to music with the sound of the wind powering through the rigging is better than your long end any day - lasts longer and doesn't lead to blindness and insanity..... as I said, I am not an expert. This is just my experience. cheers Peter |
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Oh my God...............! what has happened to this place. Men breast
feeding.........???!?!?!? WTF? That is just wrong! I dont read here for a while and this is what happens? Gag me with a spoon. Please take this dribble to asa.sailing. I think we need to set a few Man Laws here. Man Law: no talking about lactating male titties. Boat talk PLEASE. Grossed Out Bob |
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