The average boat owning idiot.
 

"Peter Hendra" wrote in message
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As this is not a Theology discussion group, I shan't elaborate too
much but you are confusing the three mentioned people and roles.

1 Moslems belive that Jesus was a prophet of God as was Moses, and
others.

2. When Jesus stated that he was the "Son of God", this is what any
member of the Pharisees believed - that each was a son of God. Have
you even wondered why Jesus was not brought before the Sanhedrin on
charges of blasphemy because of that statement?

3. In the Koran, it clearly states that the Prophet Mohammed said -
"there is no Mahdi (Messiah) save Isus ibn Mariam (Jesus, son of
Mary)"

I threw that to KLC but he refused to pick it up.

cheers
Peter Hendra

Well, I'm not a Muslim (nor a "he" for that matter), but Yeshua (aka
"Jesus") is considered a Prophet, along with Moses and Muhammed, and not
"God." There is no god but God, and salvation comes not from believing in a
Man, but by following the Laws of God -- essentially by "Submission to the
Will of God," which is the meaning of Islam.

My Faith differs in significant ways with Islam, in that we believe that
Prophets are sent to every generation, and that there will be no "Last
Prophet" until the end of time. Nevertheless, we agree with them in
significant ways also -- primarily that there is no god but God.

The average boat owning idiot.
 

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:40:26 -0500, "Scotty" w@u wrote:


"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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regards
Peter

Not at all, Peter. It seemed very friendly. :-)


for a Moslem.

Sv

I'm going to "turn the other cheek" at that remark.

One for the Theologians:

I often wondered. When a Christian turns the other cheek as per the
New Testament injunction, what happens if his assailant strikes that
one also. Are you permitted to knock him to the ground after that?

The Bible contains some wonderful phases. One I used to like was "Thou
shalt not kick against the pricks" - King James - until I discovered
that "pricks" were spikes on a wooden bar behind a carthorse - to hurt
his leg if he kicked back. It sounded such a great phrase for a holy
book to a kid.

Another was in Romans: "Heap coals of fire upon thy enemy's head" -
fair enough I thought - burn the buggar's eyes out. It was explained
that the meaning was that if someone does you an evil turn, repay it
with a good one. It never made sense until I tried it and it worked.
Their guilt "burned their bloody eyes out".

cheers
Peter

The average boat owning idiot.
 

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:35:54 -0700, "claus"
wrote:

What does all this have to do with boating?


Quite simple really.

I am on my boat, on the hard, with my hull primed, filled and sanded,
ready to spraypaint the top coat this morning and it is raining.

cheers

The average boat owning idiot.
 

On Mar 24, 4:41 am, Peter Hendra wrote:
On 24 Mar 2007 16:30:50 -0700, "Tim" wrote:





On Mar 23, 4:28 am, Peter Hendra wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:52:01 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
* Peter Hendra wrote, On 3/23/2007 4:03 AM:

Actually, that confirms my claim that there is no definitive spelling in
English. The preferred English is now Muhammad, but there are many
others and it is polite to follow whatever convention is used for a
personal name. However, according to the Guardian style guide some
Muslims find the traditional spelling "Mohammed" and varients to be
archaic and disrepectful.

Well, that may be so but there are a great deal of Moslems I have met
with my spelling of my name in Turkey, Egypt, Sudan, Yemen, Oman and
in Indonesia and Malaysia. This is the first I have heard of any
spelling of the name to be disrespectful

This is the first I had heard of that. I don't know if its specifically
British, or new political correctness. Of course, a newspaper style guide
is likely to be responsive to a vocal minority, so its not clear what the
meaning of "many" is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/styleguide...184829,00.html
Muhammad
Muslims consider Muhammad to be the last of God's prophets, who delivered
God's final message. They recognise Moses and Jesus as prophets also.
The above transliteration is our style for the prophet's name and for most
Muhammads living in Arab countries, though where someone's preferred
spelling is known we respect it, eg Mohamed Al Fayed, Mohamed ElBaradei.
The spelling Mohammed (or variants) is considered archaic by most British
Muslims today, and disrespectful by many of them

Yeah, like there was a Jewish boy running around the Middle East named
"Jesus." It ain't even close to being phonetically correct.

Yes KLC,
He was a Jewish boy. for his entire life, he was never a Christian.

I was always confused as a kid by the many pictures of Jesus (we refer
to him as Isus ibn Mariam - the last often is spelled with a "y").

He was usually portrayed as having blonde hair, fair skin and bright
blue eyes. His outstretched hands were never calloused like other
carpenters.

I'll bet you didn't know that he is also the Moslem Messiah.
.
cheers
Peter- Hide quoted text -

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I've never heard of him as a "Moslem Messiah" as far as I know, the
Muslims, consider him a great teacher, but not the "onlybegotten Son
of God" , and deffinately not on the same level as Mohammed.



2. When Jesus stated that he was the "Son of God", this is what any
member of the Pharisees believed - that each was a son of God. Have
you even wondered why Jesus was not brought before the Sanhedrin on
charges of blasphemy because of that statement?

Peter, I was making reference to John 3:16

Conserning the Sanhedrin , yes,m thats correct, but when Jesus was
refering to Him being the Son , and talking of Son/Father about
himself and his relationship with God, you gotta admit, they did get a
bit hacked.

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On Mar 24, 7:56 pm, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
Nevertheless, we agree with them in
significant ways also -- primarily that there is no god but God

But the trick here is, which "god" is God"?

From what I understand, the Gudeo/Christian "God" is one, and the
Islamic "god" is aother, even though they both claim to be sons of
Abraham (Ibirhim). Ishmael, and Issac.

Anyhow, I won't persue this any further in the rec. boats. cruising.

I saw it was mentioned , however, and thought I'd toss some views in
there.


Thanks!

The average boat owning idiot.
 

"Peter Hendra" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:56:08 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:




My Faith differs in significant ways with Islam, in that we believe that
Prophets are sent to every generation, and that there will be no "Last
Prophet" until the end of time. Nevertheless, we agree with them in
significant ways also -- primarily that there is no god but God.


I just realised what I had typed after I pressed the Send button. I
hope that I did not come across as patronising. I wasn't.

regards
Peter

Not at all, Peter. It seemed very friendly. :-)

The average boat owning idiot.
 

What does all this have to do with boating?


"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* Peter Hendra wrote, On 3/23/2007 4:03 AM:

Actually, that confirms my claim that there is no definitive spelling
in English. The preferred English is now Muhammad, but there are many
others and it is polite to follow whatever convention is used for a
personal name. However, according to the Guardian style guide some
Muslims find the traditional spelling "Mohammed" and varients to be
archaic and disrepectful.

Well, that may be so but there are a great deal of Moslems I have met
with my spelling of my name in Turkey, Egypt, Sudan, Yemen, Oman and
in Indonesia and Malaysia. This is the first I have heard of any
spelling of the name to be disrespectful

This is the first I had heard of that. I don't know if its specifically
British, or new political correctness. Of course, a newspaper style
guide is likely to be responsive to a vocal minority, so its not clear
what the meaning of "many" is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/styleguide...184829,00.html
Muhammad
Muslims consider Muhammad to be the last of God's prophets, who delivered
God's final message. They recognise Moses and Jesus as prophets also.
The above transliteration is our style for the prophet's name and for
most Muhammads living in Arab countries, though where someone's preferred
spelling is known we respect it, eg Mohamed Al Fayed, Mohamed ElBaradei.
The spelling Mohammed (or variants) is considered archaic by most British
Muslims today, and disrespectful by many of them

Yeah, like there was a Jewish boy running around the Middle East named
"Jesus." It ain't even close to being phonetically correct.

The average boat owning idiot.
 

"claus" wrote in message
. ..
What does all this have to do with boating?


Could be everything if you fall overboard.

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...
regards
Peter

Not at all, Peter. It seemed very friendly. :-)


for a Moslem.

Sv

The average boat owning idiot.
 

Peter Hendra wrote:

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:35:54 -0700, "claus"
wrote:


What does all this have to do with boating?



Quite simple really.

I am on my boat, on the hard, with my hull primed, filled and sanded,
ready to spraypaint the top coat this morning and it is raining.

cheers

Oh, I hate when that happens!

Pull out a good book?