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Two meter troll wrote:
On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Two meter troll" wrote in ooglegroups.com... Lying ahull? Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail up. It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A better technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability to maneauver. The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or the wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop for lunch, etc. Here's a long explanation of the various techniques... http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284 -- "j" ganz "heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair. Thanks No sea anchor required to heave to! |
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"Two meter troll" wrote in message
ups.com... On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Two meter troll" wrote in ooglegroups.com... Lying ahull? Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail up. It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A better technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability to maneauver. The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or the wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop for lunch, etc. Here's a long explanation of the various techniques... http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284 -- "j" ganz "heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair. Thanks Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder... nothing to do with a sea anchor. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote: "Two meter troll" wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Two meter troll" wrote in messagenews:1174066150.092432.101980@e65g2000hs c.googlegroups.com... Lying ahull? Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail up. It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A better technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability to maneauver. The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or the wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop for lunch, etc. Here's a long explanation of the various techniques... http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284 -- "j" ganz "heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair. Thanks Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder... nothing to do with a sea anchor. Nope, not according to the linked info. To quote: "But, heaving to is most often done when the wind is really piping. There are three generally accepted ways to heave to in a sail boat: lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor; lying ahull; and, heaving to under reduced sail." Keith Hughes |
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the speed of a sail boat is not all that slow.. i might have sailed big boats but i can tell you a crab boat aint fast. the Renigade did 8 knots and the Tempest did 11, the fastest was a streamer in the gulf of mexico and it did 17. My feeling is that the "average" cruising sail boat typically makes good about 4 knots port to port on passages of more than three days. Of course the variance is high but making good 8 knots port to port will require a fast boat and hard work and 11 knots is very fast even for racing boats. I'd guess that the passage times for your "Renigade" would be equivalent to a well sailed, fast 40 foot cruising cat or performance cruising mono of about 50 feet. -- Tom. |
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"Keith Hughes" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "Two meter troll" wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Two meter troll" wrote in messagenews:1174066150.092432.101980@e65g2000h sc.googlegroups.com... Lying ahull? Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail up. It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A better technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability to maneauver. The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or the wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop for lunch, etc. Here's a long explanation of the various techniques... http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284 -- "j" ganz "heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair. Thanks Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder... nothing to do with a sea anchor. Nope, not according to the linked info. To quote: "But, heaving to is most often done when the wind is really piping. There are three generally accepted ways to heave to in a sail boat: lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor; lying ahull; and, heaving to under reduced sail." Keith Hughes Huh? Three ways: 1) lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor 2) lying ahull 3) heaving to under reduced sail Thus, heaving-to is under reduced sail and has nothing to do with a sea anchor. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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oups.com... ... the speed of a sail boat is not all that slow.. i might have sailed big boats but i can tell you a crab boat aint fast. the Renigade did 8 knots and the Tempest did 11, the fastest was a streamer in the gulf of mexico and it did 17. My feeling is that the "average" cruising sail boat typically makes good about 4 knots port to port on passages of more than three days. Of course the variance is high but making good 8 knots port to port will require a fast boat and hard work and 11 knots is very fast even for racing boats. I'd guess that the passage times for your "Renigade" would be equivalent to a well sailed, fast 40 foot cruising cat or performance cruising mono of about 50 feet. -- Tom. We've always calculated 5 kts. Seems to be pretty accurate. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote:
wrote in message roups.com... ... the speed of a sail boat is not all that slow.. i might have sailed big boats but i can tell you a crab boat aint fast. the Renigade did 8 knots and the Tempest did 11, the fastest was a streamer in the gulf of mexico and it did 17. My feeling is that the "average" cruising sail boat typically makes good about 4 knots port to port on passages of more than three days. Of course the variance is high but making good 8 knots port to port will require a fast boat and hard work and 11 knots is very fast even for racing boats. I'd guess that the passage times for your "Renigade" would be equivalent to a well sailed, fast 40 foot cruising cat or performance cruising mono of about 50 feet. -- Tom. We've always calculated 5 kts. Seems to be pretty accurate. 5 knots is about what we motor at If a power boat person is used to a 20 foot catamaran with twin 350 engines (like one of my SILs), then both 8 knots and 5 knots is going to seem really really slow. But if the power boat person is more of a trawler-type person who is used to 8 knots, then 5 knots might not seem to be so much slower. On paper at least. The difference is the length of the days required to get from point A to point B. If you are used to thinking 8 knots, then it will take you 6 hours to do 48 nm. At 5 knots it will take more than 9 hours. In the winter and/or at high latitudes it may make a big difference in planning your landfalls. |
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"Capt. JG" wrote:
"Keith Hughes" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Two meter troll" wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Two meter troll" wrote in messagenews:1174066150.092432.101980@e65g2000 hsc.googlegroups.com... Lying ahull? Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail up. It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A better technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability to maneauver. I agree that lying ahull is not a good thing to do. However heaving to is not possible in all types of sailboats, or at least is more difficult to do. The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or the wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop for lunch, etc. Here's a long explanation of the various techniques... http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284 -- "j" ganz "heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair. That's basically correct given that URL. Heaving to is doing something to make the boat keep still in good orientation to the waves. There are other techniques to do that and a sea anchor is one of them. Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder... nothing to do with a sea anchor. Nope, not according to the linked info. To quote: "But, heaving to is most often done when the wind is really piping. There are three generally accepted ways to heave to in a sail boat: lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor; lying ahull; and, heaving to under reduced sail." Keith Hughes Huh? Three ways: It says there "are three generally accepted ways to HEAVE TO in a sailboat" and lists three ways 1) lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor 2) lying ahull 3) heaving to under reduced sail Thus, heaving-to is under reduced sail and has nothing to do with a sea anchor. We know what we mean by heaving to because we are sailors. But that's not what that passage actually SAYS. |
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"Rosalie B." wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote: "Keith Hughes" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Two meter troll" wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Two meter troll" wrote in messagenews:1174066150.092432.101980@e65g200 0hsc.googlegroups.com... Lying ahull? Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail up. It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A better technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability to maneauver. I agree that lying ahull is not a good thing to do. However heaving to is not possible in all types of sailboats, or at least is more difficult to do. The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or the wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop for lunch, etc. Here's a long explanation of the various techniques... http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284 -- "j" ganz "heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair. That's basically correct given that URL. Heaving to is doing something to make the boat keep still in good orientation to the waves. There are other techniques to do that and a sea anchor is one of them. Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder... nothing to do with a sea anchor. Nope, not according to the linked info. To quote: "But, heaving to is most often done when the wind is really piping. There are three generally accepted ways to heave to in a sail boat: lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor; lying ahull; and, heaving to under reduced sail." Keith Hughes Huh? Three ways: It says there "are three generally accepted ways to HEAVE TO in a sailboat" and lists three ways 1) lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor 2) lying ahull 3) heaving to under reduced sail Thus, heaving-to is under reduced sail and has nothing to do with a sea anchor. We know what we mean by heaving to because we are sailors. But that's not what that passage actually SAYS. Very good information. I thought heaving-to was only done using a backed jib and a main (usually reefed). I just learned something new. Now I know better than to believe Capt. JG. Looks like he hasn't kept up with the new terminology. I'm Ted Bell! |
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"Rosalie B." wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote: "Keith Hughes" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Two meter troll" wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Two meter troll" wrote in messagenews:1174066150.092432.101980@e65g200 0hsc.googlegroups.com... Lying ahull? Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail up. It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A better technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability to maneauver. I agree that lying ahull is not a good thing to do. However heaving to is not possible in all types of sailboats, or at least is more difficult to do. The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or the wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop for lunch, etc. Here's a long explanation of the various techniques... http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284 -- "j" ganz "heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair. That's basically correct given that URL. Heaving to is doing something to make the boat keep still in good orientation to the waves. There are other techniques to do that and a sea anchor is one of them. Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder... nothing to do with a sea anchor. Nope, not according to the linked info. To quote: "But, heaving to is most often done when the wind is really piping. There are three generally accepted ways to heave to in a sail boat: lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor; lying ahull; and, heaving to under reduced sail." Keith Hughes Huh? Three ways: It says there "are three generally accepted ways to HEAVE TO in a sailboat" and lists three ways 1) lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor 2) lying ahull 3) heaving to under reduced sail Thus, heaving-to is under reduced sail and has nothing to do with a sea anchor. We know what we mean by heaving to because we are sailors. But that's not what that passage actually SAYS. He may have used the term heave-to (incorrectly) in the intro paragraph, but lying to a sea anchor and heaving to (the technique) have nothing to do with each other. Type: define: heave to in google. Actually, there's a fourth way to heave-to.... I always ask people to do it on the leward side. g -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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